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RE: What if Texas.............
(07-06-2018 03:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 03:12 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  Would a Texas/Kansas combination acceptance possibly "force" Oklahoma into the SEC rather than being an "outpost" in the B1G (assuming a B1G offer to them)? Would the SEC be willing to move to 18 to accommodate OU and one other (possibly WVa or OSU) IF (and that I believe it is a BIG if) Texas/.Kansas went SEC? And, IF KU was offered BOTH the B1G & SEC, who would they choose...and why (may depend on who they would be going with to where)?

I think that depends on Texas's motives. There would be much to the scenario as presented that would be Horn friendly. One question that comes to mind is whether Kansas basketball, as a brand, is worth more to the Big 10, or to the SEC? A follow up question might be how special would Kansas basketball be in a deep and above average Big 10? How much would their special elite status be worth with a natural elite rival like Kentucky to the SEC? I'm saying there are easy answers there because there are not. But KU/UK would be as iconic and elite as UNC/Duke the only thing they would lack is that cross town feel to the rivalry.

But to answer your question it very well could force OU into asking in. I guess my answer would be how much would Texas actually want them in house when Texas gains so much advantage by keeping them at arms length?

An SEC with Texas and A&M doesn't need OU's market reach. Their brand would be great to have, but we would own DFW and therefore OU's worth to us is simply their national brand and content plus a small state. I think the only way OSU is worth taking for us is if we can't land Texas because then we would need them to get Oklahoma and the share of DFW we want. With Texas the only added value for Oklahoma becomes their brand and content, but not worth enough to justify OSU. So at that point if we had UT & KU in hand and OU wanted in then WVU would be a reasonable next step, or dare I say it, ISU.

With WVU we get a better sports package. But with ISU the SEC acquires 3 new AAU members and 3 national brands.

But for ESPN that fails to accomplish some of its goals. They want Notre Dame all in. They want smaller conferences to keep us from gaining too much leverage. They want access to Texas football and Kansas basketball.

If the Big 10 did take OU and ISU and moved to 16 and the SEC did take UT & KU securing 2/3rds of ESPN's objectives, then it is only logical for W.V.U.to head to the ACC and for N.D. to agree to that slot. Why? They want New England and New York exposure. Pitt, B.C., and Syracuse give them that. They want academic exposure. Virginia, North Carolina and Duke give them that. They want Southern recruiting exposure. Georgia Tech, Clemson, Florida State and Miami give them that.

They can't find that combination in any other conference. A Big 10 with Oklahoma become a financial behemoth as does a SEC with Texas. The best way for N.D. to hang onto what they want outside of independence is to go all in to once again stabilize the ACC, and it would. WVU gives them added depth in the Big 3 sports and ultimately this forces a champs only P4 model for the CFP.

If OU heads to the SEC after the SEC has picked up UT and KU then it destabilizes the Big 10 and almost forces them to try to poach the ACC in which case it could cost ESPN not only N.D. eventually but the Carolina and Virginia markets as well if there were to be an all out Big 10 push with FOX money.

By sacrificing Oklahoma to the Big 10 and landing N.D. ESPN gets virtually everything they want without destabilizing the balance in the East.

Why not just stay at status quo and have those things?
07-11-2018 03:22 PM
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What if Texas............. - JRsec - 07-05-2018, 10:06 PM
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RE: What if Texas............. - murrdcu - 07-06-2018, 12:48 AM
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RE: What if Texas............. - AllTideUp - 07-06-2018, 04:55 AM
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RE: What if Texas............. - JRsec - 07-06-2018, 03:07 PM
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RE: What if Texas............. - DawgNBama - 07-10-2018, 12:23 PM
RE: What if Texas............. - AllTideUp - 07-10-2018, 12:40 PM
RE: What if Texas............. - JRsec - 07-06-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: What if Texas............. - murrdcu - 07-07-2018, 06:53 AM
RE: What if Texas............. - ICThawk - 07-06-2018, 03:12 PM
RE: What if Texas............. - JRsec - 07-06-2018, 03:32 PM
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RE: What if Texas............. - TerryD - 07-11-2018 03:22 PM
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