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RE: 2017-2018 Bubas Cup standings - Completed Sports
(12-13-2017 05:30 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 08:05 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Since GS doesn't' have men's track/CC we miss out on a lot of points. It seems that's where most points are given is in men's and women's track and field. You will almost always here that GS fans don't care about this trophy and that would be true. I remember one year GS won the SOCON championship is basically 5+ sports (football, baseball, basketball, and a few others) and didn't even come close to winning the SOCON equivalent. We actually do pretty good at the non-revenue sports, but as soon as a coach starts winning they up and leave for a bigger contract. If you think the turnover in football is high the other sports are just as bad if not worse.

Good luck to all the schools that compete for this trophy, but GS is out every year from the start.

Don't take this as anti GaSo writings from a Mountaineer, but a few points.

GS never did compete much for the SoCon Cup's (Commissioner's Cup for Men's sports and Germann Cup for women's sports.) as you stated. There was not merged cup for both sexes.

I will not state for every year and every sport, but overall on the women's side the performance was I thought very lacking, as in looking from the outside one would think the women's side was not even really considered. Had there been a Title IX lawsuit I would have thought, "Yeah I can see that." The men did do better. And yes not sponsoring many sports in the SoCon did not help, but overall on a per sport basis the averages were not very good either to be honest. Many years GS came off as a one-horse pony with football, and there were some good years with baseball and golf, but overall not very good.

Before App left the SoCon I made a huge database of the sports cups and when that data ran out in the 1970's and early 1980's I reconstructed what I could from found data on various media guides from the conference. Sports like swimming and diving were not included as I could never track down the SoCon results for those sports, and gynamastics I think was also a SoCon sport at one time.

Now with all of that said, props to GS for sponsoring some non SB sports such as Swimming and Diving and Rifle I believe as well. S&D was part of the GS lineup even in the SoCon days.

If you like I will send you or post the link to the spreadsheet for SoCon Cups from 1969 to at least when App and GS left the SoCon. You can verify some of my comments.

Good luck on the sports you do sponsor and especially the one's that don't complete with App!


Oh I realize that 95% we weren't even close and the women's were bad more often than not. Again that had to do with a lot of coaching turnover. Just as soon as a coach would start winning they would be off to greener pastures. The point was that even when (in men's sports mostly) we actually did very well (like winning 4 or 5 championships) GS would still be near the bottom. So GS fans just take each sport individually and focus on a select few. Currently our S&D are doing really well and is Rifle (both women's sports). IF we win a championship in a non-revenue we give a thumbs up and post congrats, but that's about it. Volleyball and Women's Basketball seem (I haven't looked at recent records, just observations from postings) to be improving and we added women's golf last year.

The main point is that without Men's T&F we will never win a Bubas Cup. Ever. Too much emphasis is put in that area to overcome.
12-14-2017 12:44 PM
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