(06-21-2011 08:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The more science discovers, the more support there is for the concept that there's a detailed plan, and that requires an omnipotent planner.

Clearly, that there is a god would not necessarily prove that it is the Christian God. But that's the one that works for me.

Indeed. The increasingly intrinsic complexity and extreme detail that is discovered by modern science - including that of evolution, DNA codes, genomes, etc, - doesn't necessarily disprove an omnipotent creator (imho, of course).

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but you can easily find academic books and cable programs on NatGeo complete with reputable scientists from places like MIT talking about string theory and quantum mechanics: Theoretical topics include parallel worlds, subatomic particles existing in multiple places at once, alternate realities, 10 extra dimensions beyond the three we exist in, universes outside our universe with its own laws of physics, etc. This would be sci-fi "crazy talk" just a half century ago, but is now a serious topic among many professors and scientists, a good number I assume who would call themselves atheist.

If even half of that is true at some level, it's not a giant leap of, um, faith that spiritual realms, "the other side", etc, exist.