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RE: Cincy, Houston, and UCF likely leaving in 2023
(05-03-2022 04:25 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 03:24 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 02:57 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  "I just think it is wrong"

This situation reminds of share cropping, but with a nasty twist. The share croppers prepare the soil, plant the seeds, cares for the crops as they are growing, collects the crops, takes them to the market. When the crops are sold, the land owner instead of sharing, tells the share croppers they owe him money.

Similarly, UC, UH, and UCF spent great amounts of money, built the AAC into a respected conference, brought more revenues than the remaining-8 had ever experienced, got a $7 million contract, and got little help from the remaining-8. They didn't even provide UH with a Q1 game in the past season. Then, the remaining-8 tells their benefactors they owe money.

If there was justice the remaining-8 would pay their benefactors. The
remaining-8 would not amount to much without them.

Karma will correct this situation with a vengeance.

"Share cropping, but nastier"
03-rotfl

It is one of the most absurd things ever posted on this forum, and that's really saying something.

I thought the share cropping comment moved beyond absurd to offensive, but we already have multiple posters from multiple fanbases including his own mocking him on that.

I'll address the bolded sections, which are also laughable.

Like no one else invested? Wrong.

You speak of the $1B media contract. Football drives that and specifically football viewers, and you three are not #1-#2-#3 in football viewers. You're three of the top five/six. Good. But not spectacular or anything.

If you're talking about tournament credits earned and left here...did you want Houston to refuse UConn's when they left? Would you rather OU/TX take any with them to the SEC when they leave.

If karma is coming for anyone, it's you personally, not the conference or the remaining or inbound members.
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(05-03-2022 04:35 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 04:04 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 03:15 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 02:09 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 01:58 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Because the reason for the AAC to add 6 was for ESPN keeping the contract intact for the remaining schools. So no the remains AAC schools aren’t taking a paycut now and the league will have 8 years to show for next contract. The paycut is in the incoming schools making half of what the three leaving made. So ESPN gets more inventory for same amount of money.

Look at the bolded statement in b2b's post above that this discussion is in reply to - we are talking about what happens at the next re-negotiation (and yes it's all speculation), no-one has implied that it's getting cut now so I'm not sure why you are bringing it up.

Because you brought it up, saying how the Big East got a cut. I responded to your post showing you the difference. So the reality is that the AAC now will have 8 years to prove themselves until next contract. So it wasn’t like the AAC 2013 that got the cut right from the start.
I’m fine with the remaining AAC members making the same as they were going to get and having 8 years before renegotiations.

I brought up the cut that the Big East received when it signed it's next contract, with the previous one expiring in 2013. You stated:

"We already know that the remaining schools won’t lose money and that the newcomers are getting less." - Again this discussion is about the next contract, in no way do we know that the remaining schools won't lose money when it's re-negotiated.

"So no the remains AAC schools aren’t taking a paycut now" - I'm quite aware of that, but no-one is talking about now.

I do agree that the incoming and remaining schools do have the advantage of time to elevate their programs. History, however, has shown that when the a conference loses schools to those higher up the pecking order, television contracts tend to go down at the next negotiation.

Ok glad you understood that, so now is your question then it’s about the AAC getting a paycut in 2032?

Because if that’s your question, no one can really answer it since that would be 9 years from now and will depend on many factors including 8 years of AAC performance which none of us knows what would be.

I'm well aware that no-one here can factually answer that (I dropped my coffee cup too hard on the flux capacitor in my DeLorean a few weeks ago, so I'm out) - but we can look at past history ( brought up the past contract of the Big East as an example, also look to C-USA, and as a UCF fan I know that the B-12 contract will not be what it would if Texas and Oklahoma were there) and have an interesting conversation on a message board that is made for that, right?

Just stating that "no-one can answer that", we will see, it will be decided, etc. doesn't make for much fun in the off season with nothing else going on.
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RE: Cincy, Houston, and UCF likely leaving in 2023
(05-03-2022 07:07 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 04:35 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 04:04 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 03:15 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(05-03-2022 02:09 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  Look at the bolded statement in b2b's post above that this discussion is in reply to - we are talking about what happens at the next re-negotiation (and yes it's all speculation), no-one has implied that it's getting cut now so I'm not sure why you are bringing it up.

Because you brought it up, saying how the Big East got a cut. I responded to your post showing you the difference. So the reality is that the AAC now will have 8 years to prove themselves until next contract. So it wasn’t like the AAC 2013 that got the cut right from the start.
I’m fine with the remaining AAC members making the same as they were going to get and having 8 years before renegotiations.

I brought up the cut that the Big East received when it signed it's next contract, with the previous one expiring in 2013. You stated:

"We already know that the remaining schools won’t lose money and that the newcomers are getting less." - Again this discussion is about the next contract, in no way do we know that the remaining schools won't lose money when it's re-negotiated.

"So no the remains AAC schools aren’t taking a paycut now" - I'm quite aware of that, but no-one is talking about now.

I do agree that the incoming and remaining schools do have the advantage of time to elevate their programs. History, however, has shown that when the a conference loses schools to those higher up the pecking order, television contracts tend to go down at the next negotiation.

Ok glad you understood that, so now is your question then it’s about the AAC getting a paycut in 2032?

Because if that’s your question, no one can really answer it since that would be 9 years from now and will depend on many factors including 8 years of AAC performance which none of us knows what would be.

I'm well aware that no-one here can factually answer that (I dropped my coffee cup too hard on the flux capacitor in my DeLorean a few weeks ago, so I'm out) - but we can look at past history ( brought up the past contract of the Big East as an example, also look to C-USA, and as a UCF fan I know that the B-12 contract will not be what it would if Texas and Oklahoma were there) and have an interesting conversation on a message board that is made for that, right?

Just stating that "no-one can answer that", we will see, it will be decided, etc. doesn't make for much fun in the off season with nothing else going on.

True, but in none of the cases you mentioned including the Big12 would the remade league have 8 years before the new contract would take effect
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(01-18-2022 05:33 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  
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(01-18-2022 02:56 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  Wasn't the UH contract with the B12 was revealed recently? No reason to think the other schools contracts aren't similar in regards to the money issue, but it looks quite clear why the 4 schools likely won't be joining sooner than 2023, and possibly not until 2024 for schools not named BYU.

Basically UH doesn't start getting any B12 money until 2024, so no real impetus to not only pay more in exit fees, but to compete in the B12 essentially for free for one year instead of getting paid AAC money.
We don’t get a FULL share until the new contract is negotiated, but we still get about $18-19M per school I believe, which is almost triple what the AAC currently gives us.

It may come from the Okie and Texas exit fees as opposed to the media contract.

No, it comes from the media contract.
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(05-03-2022 08:51 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 05:33 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 04:35 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 02:56 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  Wasn't the UH contract with the B12 was revealed recently? No reason to think the other schools contracts aren't similar in regards to the money issue, but it looks quite clear why the 4 schools likely won't be joining sooner than 2023, and possibly not until 2024 for schools not named BYU.

Basically UH doesn't start getting any B12 money until 2024, so no real impetus to not only pay more in exit fees, but to compete in the B12 essentially for free for one year instead of getting paid AAC money.
We don’t get a FULL share until the new contract is negotiated, but we still get about $18-19M per school I believe, which is almost triple what the AAC currently gives us.

It may come from the Okie and Texas exit fees as opposed to the media contract.

No, it comes from the media contract.

Big12's last reported CFP revenue was $78 million, in the 2019 season. The year before THAT (most recent Form 990) "Bowl Revenue" was another $55 million over CFP revenue that year.
So dividing that year-by-year CFP and bowl money by 14 teams gets you to $10 million pretty quickly.

In that 2018-19 Form 990 TV revenue looks like $25M of the $39-40 M each team received
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“Aren’t close” would seem to suggest these negotiations won’t end this week. This will continue to drag out.
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(05-04-2022 06:37 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

“Aren’t close” would seem to suggest these negotiations won’t end this week. This will continue to drag out.

Things won't be settled until you near drop dead dates. I would expect late May to early June. At the end of the day, there will be a deal, because it is in everyone's best interest to settle it.
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I genuinely don't know how the AAC leaders feel they can ask for more given the precedent they set with UConn...the second it is brought to a judge, they'll be cooked.
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(05-04-2022 08:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I genuinely don't know how the AAC leaders feel they can ask for more given the precedent they set with UConn...the second it is brought to a judge, they'll be cooked.

Probably in that negotiation is a recent precedent with uconn. They left with even a year shorter notice. Could be the case that the 3 teams leave in 2023 and just settle the exit fees in arbitration. The exit fees doesn't have to get settled now. The 3 can announce their intentions to leave and settle later.
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(04-27-2022 05:49 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
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(04-27-2022 02:47 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  We gone.

With 2022-23 as the final season.

UCF has won the Most AAC Football titles in the AAC 1.0 Era. If Cincy wins the 2022 title, it will only tie UCF.

AAC Football Championships:
4 = UCF (2013, 2014*, 2017, 2018)
3 = Cincy (2014*, 2020, 2021)
2 = Memphis (2014*, 2019)
1 = Houston (2015) & Temple (2016)
I believe Memphis won the most games since 2014.
Leaving out the 2013 season I see, nice cherrypick

Yes, hence the reason I said "SINCE 2014".
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(05-04-2022 08:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I genuinely don't know how the AAC leaders feel they can ask for more given the precedent they set with UConn...the second it is brought to a judge, they'll be cooked.

The thing that potentially has real value would be the NCAA tournament credits for that 1 year leaving early.
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(05-04-2022 10:34 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-04-2022 08:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I genuinely don't know how the AAC leaders feel they can ask for more given the precedent they set with UConn...the second it is brought to a judge, they'll be cooked.

The thing that potentially has real value would be the NCAA tournament credits for that 1 year leaving early.

Well, as stated in another thread:

Quote:When you compare the newbies to the teams leaving........

UCF - (FAU - 2 recent C-USA titles)

Cincy - (UAB - High academics, large student body, new stadium)

UH - (UTSA - Games against UH, Army, and UT in 2022, plus 12 wins in 2021)

It shouldn't take too long to replace the teams leaving.....

So, getting the three out of here and allowing the replacement power-house programs to get in, not only doesn't "damage" the Conference but probably would help maximize the Conference revenues...

Because we all know that UAB will get more NCAA credits than UCF, right???
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(05-04-2022 12:19 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(05-04-2022 10:34 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-04-2022 08:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I genuinely don't know how the AAC leaders feel they can ask for more given the precedent they set with UConn...the second it is brought to a judge, they'll be cooked.

The thing that potentially has real value would be the NCAA tournament credits for that 1 year leaving early.

Well, as stated in another thread:

Quote:When you compare the newbies to the teams leaving........

UCF - (FAU - 2 recent C-USA titles)

Cincy - (UAB - High academics, large student body, new stadium)

UH - (UTSA - Games against UH, Army, and UT in 2022, plus 12 wins in 2021)

It shouldn't take too long to replace the teams leaving.....

So, getting the three out of here and allowing the replacement power-house programs to get in, not only doesn't "damage" the Conference but probably would help maximize the Conference revenues...

Because we all know that UAB will get more NCAA credits than UCF, right???
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Posts like that are maximum cope. There's no comparing the 3 leavers' football with the 6 coming in... that doesn't even touch on basketball pedigrees. Cincy alone has almost as many NCAA appearances (33) as all 6 put together (39).
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Couple more weeks till we get a final number. 07-coffee3
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(05-04-2022 08:07 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(05-04-2022 06:37 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

“Aren’t close” would seem to suggest these negotiations won’t end this week. This will continue to drag out.

Things won't be settled until you near drop dead dates. I would expect late May to early June. At the end of the day, there will be a deal, because it is in everyone's best interest to settle it.

Leave when it's time to leave...settlement or not. Let the AAC file a lawsuit for anything beyond the $10 million liquidated damages provision and try to prove additional damages that don't really exist.

I'd love to get worked up over this but it's not that big of a deal.

Settle for a # that is less than a year of useless litigation and discovery. Done.
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(05-03-2022 02:57 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  "I just think it is wrong"

This situation reminds of share cropping, but with a nasty twist. The share croppers prepare the soil, plant the seeds, cares for the crops as they are growing, collects the crops, takes them to the market. When the crops are sold, the land owner instead of sharing, tells the share croppers they owe him money.

Similarly, UC, UH, and UCF spent great amounts of money, built the AAC into a respected conference, brought more revenues than the remaining-8 had ever experienced, got a $7 million contract, and got little help from the remaining-8. They didn't even provide UH with a Q1 game in the past season. Then, the remaining-8 tells their benefactors they owe money.

If there was justice the remaining-8 would pay their benefactors. The
remaining-8 would not amount to much without them.

Karma will correct this situation with a vengeance.

This is probably one of the better posts I have read on this issue. The analogy of sharecroppers is absolutely on point. Too many teams in the AAC did not invest in their programs and let’s face it … more than a few AAC leftovers were a mistake to let in the conference like ECU. Low academic profile and brings nothing to the table in revenue generating sports
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(05-04-2022 08:42 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

Couple more weeks till we get a final number. 07-coffee3

The CUSA schools were give a 1 month extension at the end of April to give notice to leave without penalty, so I'm guessing by the end of May this will be all wrapped up.
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(05-11-2022 04:42 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  
(05-04-2022 08:42 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

Couple more weeks till we get a final number. 07-coffee3

The CUSA schools were give a 1 month extension at the end of April to give notice to leave without penalty, so I'm guessing by the end of May this will be all wrapped up.

We could see a scenario that a settlement happens later. Agree to leaving in 2023 and finish the negotiations in arbitration
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(05-12-2022 05:47 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 04:42 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  
(05-04-2022 08:42 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

Couple more weeks till we get a final number. 07-coffee3

The CUSA schools were give a 1 month extension at the end of April to give notice to leave without penalty, so I'm guessing by the end of May this will be all wrapped up.

We could see a scenario that a settlement happens later. Agree to leaving in 2023 and finish the negotiations in arbitration

That could happen, but i doubt it. Neither side wants to chance that.
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(05-04-2022 06:37 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

“Aren’t close” would seem to suggest these negotiations won’t end this week. This will continue to drag out.

Ive said from the start I thought the number would be 10 million for the base exit fee plus another 5 to leave a year early---for a total exit fee of 15 million each. Thats more than UConn paid per year when they left TWO years early (UConn paid an additional early exit penalty of 3.5 million per year when they left 2 years prior to fulfilling the 27 month waiting period).
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