(01-15-2019 12:17 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 11:57 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  Surprised I havent seen more talk on here about this but Jimmy Moreland is tearing it up at the Shrine practices. Rumors of him getting drafted anywhere from the 3rd-6th rounds. Already met with the Lions and Texans

https://herosports.com/fcs/football-jmu-...draft-bzbz

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/1...oit-lions/

''So far, Moreland has impressed and is shedding that "small school" label as an FCS player.''

gotta love Moreland.

one of my favorite Dukes ever. and i know i'm not the only one as he's universally loved.

i gotta think that love is not only because he's a great player....but because he's a great player like the dukes are a great football program....."smaller", passionate, but with big time talent, big time skill and highly successful.... but also constantly overlooked by the powers that be and so called "big boys".

Jimmy F'N Moreland. GOAT.

(01-15-2019 03:40 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  gotta love Moreland.

one of my favorite Dukes ever. and i know i'm not the only one as he's universally loved.

i gotta think that love is not only because he's a great player....but because he's a great player like the dukes are a great football program....."smaller", passionate, but with big time talent, big time skill and highly successful.... but also constantly overlooked by the powers that be and so called "big boys".

Jimmy F'N Moreland. GOAT.

And he battled through adversity (of his own doing) through a coaching change , got his second chance and never looked back. If only Andre Nation could have followed a similar path towards redemption.

Based on twitter, it really sounds like Jimmy Moreland's draft stock is soaring. I suppose the Shrine Game performance matters more than the practices leading up to it though.

(01-17-2019 10:47 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Based on twitter, it really sounds like Jimmy Moreland's draft stock is soaring. I suppose the Shrine Game performance matters more than the practices leading up to it though.

Not necessarily as after this week they might not even throw his way.

Yep practices probably much more important than the actual game from a scouting perspective

Short-term goal for JF'nM: do well enough this week to earn an invite to the NFL Combine at the end of February. Normally, they release the invitees to the NFL Combine around mid-February, though we could learn a little before that thanks to the speed of Twitter by guys who get the invite.

If he can get to the Combine, that opens up the entire NFL to him (interviews, testing, chance to show his skills, etc.). Missing the Combine isn't a complete killer to his draft prospects, but getting there can significantly help his stock.

There's a nice article from one of the Lions' beat writers about Jimmy. Apparently they really like him a lot. The writer says that the Lions are predicting him to go in the draft between the 4th and 6th rounds, but he may go as high as the 3rd round (probably depending on his play at the Shrine game).

(01-17-2019 11:04 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Short-term goal for JF'nM: do well enough this week to earn an invite to the NFL Combine at the end of February. Normally, they release the invitees to the NFL Combine around mid-February, though we could learn a little before that thanks to the speed of Twitter by guys who get the invite.

If he can get to the Combine, that opens up the entire NFL to him (interviews, testing, chance to show his skills, etc.). Missing the Combine isn't a complete killer to his draft prospects, but getting there can significantly help his stock.

the combine would be bad for Jimmy.

it's all about measurables there.....40 time, 220 lift, etc...Jimmy doesn't "measure" up there as well as others.

it's on the field that he stands out. But these stupid draft guys at teams consistently overlook the tape and let the measurables outweigh everything. It's benefited Dukes in the past as well.....Curtis Keaton anyone?

(01-17-2019 03:14 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 11:04 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Short-term goal for JF'nM: do well enough this week to earn an invite to the NFL Combine at the end of February. Normally, they release the invitees to the NFL Combine around mid-February, though we could learn a little before that thanks to the speed of Twitter by guys who get the invite.

If he can get to the Combine, that opens up the entire NFL to him (interviews, testing, chance to show his skills, etc.). Missing the Combine isn't a complete killer to his draft prospects, but getting there can significantly help his stock.

the combine would be bad for Jimmy.

it's all about measurables there.....40 time, 220 lift, etc...Jimmy doesn't "measure" up there as well as others.

it's on the field that he stands out. But these stupid draft guys at teams consistently overlook the tape and let the measurables outweigh everything. It's benefited Dukes in the past as well.....Curtis Keaton anyone?

Respectfully disagree. A Combine invite would validate his growth of late and raise his stock. They’ll get to his measurable one way or another.

Pretty sure that they do measurements at the Shrine game so I am not sure combine changes anything there. Pretty sure at this point everyone knows that Jimmy is about 5'9" and 175 pounds and it is not a secret. Strength drills don't matter as much for a DB and I think he would do well in drills related to lateral quickness, etc. The other thing the combine does is get him in front of all 32 teams which is a big deal.

Sorry if it's a dumb question, but I would imagine most players who get combine invites and don't bomb their performance tend to get drafted the overwhelming majority of the time?

(01-17-2019 03:38 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Sorry if it's a dumb question, but I would imagine most players who get combine invites and don't bomb their performance tend to get drafted the overwhelming majority of the time?

The Combine invites up to 335 players and there were 256 picks in the draft last year. Combine doesn’t mean anything for late round guys other than you’re on team radars - no guarantees.

I think better question is out of the 256 guys drafted, how many went to the combine? I would gather it is well north of 80%.

I found the answer to my own question. In 2017 90% of players drafted were invited to the combine.

(01-17-2019 04:13 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  I found the answer to my own question. In 2017 90% of players drafted were invited to the combine.

Yeah. That was my thought. A combine invite is in a ways an all but guarantee to be drafted if your performance is good.

Most guys at combine are not at shrine game.

The shrine is mostly for guys trying to get nfl attention, not for guys who already have it like most invitees at combine.

A better stat would be how many guys go shrine>combine>drafted

(01-17-2019 04:27 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:13 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  I found the answer to my own question. In 2017 90% of players drafted were invited to the combine.

Yeah. That was my thought. A combine invite is in a ways an all but guarantee to be drafted if your performance is good.

One of us is looking at the stat the wrong way. I took Potomac's stat of 90% that 230 of the 256 draftees went to the combine. If the combine takes 335 players, then only 68% of the players at the combine (230 out of 335), got drafted. I don't see that as 'an all but guarantee to be drafted.' Clearly it is the first step, but there are 100+ guys there that will not get drafted.

(01-17-2019 03:35 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  Pretty sure that they do measurements at the Shrine game so I am not sure combine changes anything there. Pretty sure at this point everyone knows that Jimmy is about 5'9" and 175 pounds and it is not a secret. Strength drills don't matter as much for a DB and I think he would do well in drills related to lateral quickness, etc. The other thing the combine does is get him in front of all 32 teams which is a big deal.

Curious where you’re getting the “about 5’9” stat from. He’s not 5’9”...between 5’10” and 5’11” perhaps, but if he’s 5’9” you’ve got a scoop.

(01-17-2019 09:03 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 03:35 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  Pretty sure that they do measurements at the Shrine game so I am not sure combine changes anything there. Pretty sure at this point everyone knows that Jimmy is about 5'9" and 175 pounds and it is not a secret. Strength drills don't matter as much for a DB and I think he would do well in drills related to lateral quickness, etc. The other thing the combine does is get him in front of all 32 teams which is a big deal.

Curious where you’re getting the “about 5’9” stat from. He’s not 5’9”...between 5’10” and 5’11” perhaps, but if he’s 5’9” you’ve got a scoop.

Well you know in college they use those special tape measures that add an inch, special scales thet add 5-10 lbs, and special stopwatches that subtract 1-2 tenths off 40 times..