(11-07-2022 04:51 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I have never seen worse game #1 scheduling. Schools I have never heard of. Johnson & Wales, Valley Forge, Fischer College, Milwaukee College of Engineering, etc.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/scoreboard/_/seasontype/2/group/50

(11-07-2022 05:00 PM)masttg Wrote:  

(11-07-2022 04:51 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I have never seen worse game #1 scheduling. Schools I have never heard of. Johnson & Wales, Valley Forge, Fischer College, Milwaukee College of Engineering, etc.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/scoreboard/_/seasontype/2/group/50

I have been to Johnson and Wales. It is best known as a culinary school. Did not know they had sports.

(11-09-2022 02:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1590190250416279553?s=20&t=j1U1hcZO_wLGojjhj9_-xQ

(11-09-2022 05:09 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 02:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1590190250416279553?s=20&t=j1U1hcZO_wLGojjhj9_-xQ

Sure. Chris must not watch the games.

Hopefully someone else agrees with him and gives him a cool million per.

(11-09-2022 06:55 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 05:09 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 02:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1590190250416279553?s=20&t=j1U1hcZO_wLGojjhj9_-xQ

Sure. Chris must not watch the games.

Hopefully someone else agrees with him and gives him a cool million per.

Cow, that ain't gonna happen and you know it unless somebody loses their coach at the last minute in spring like Kansas did. His W-L record and flat level of progression will not satisfy any boosters that are willing to spend big money.

I'm still in the Creighton tent, BUT a bowl game this year makes him our coach through freaking 2027! That simply is insane. C'mon EMU, get out of that Murphy style contract. We have been there and done that and it did not work well.

(11-09-2022 11:18 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 06:55 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 05:09 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 02:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1590190250416279553?s=20&t=j1U1hcZO_wLGojjhj9_-xQ

Sure. Chris must not watch the games.

Hopefully someone else agrees with him and gives him a cool million per.

Cow, that ain't gonna happen and you know it unless somebody loses their coach at the last minute in spring like Kansas did. His W-L record and flat level of progression will not satisfy any boosters that are willing to spend big money.

I'm still in the Creighton tent, BUT a bowl game this year makes him our coach through freaking 2027! That simply is insane. C'mon EMU, get out of that Murphy style contract. We have been there and done that and it did not work well.

Jerry,

I think the P5s or better paying G5s come knocking on CCs door if he wins out and wins bowl game. A 9-4 record would do it based on his high quality kids and academic achievements.

(11-10-2022 07:37 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 11:18 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 06:55 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 05:09 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 02:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1590190250416279553?s=20&t=j1U1hcZO_wLGojjhj9_-xQ

Sure. Chris must not watch the games.

Hopefully someone else agrees with him and gives him a cool million per.

Cow, that ain't gonna happen and you know it unless somebody loses their coach at the last minute in spring like Kansas did. His W-L record and flat level of progression will not satisfy any boosters that are willing to spend big money.

I'm still in the Creighton tent, BUT a bowl game this year makes him our coach through freaking 2027! That simply is insane. C'mon EMU, get out of that Murphy style contract. We have been there and done that and it did not work well.

Jerry,

I think the P5s or better paying G5s come knocking on CCs door if he wins out and wins bowl game. A 9-4 record would do it based on his high quality kids and academic achievements.

Lucky, I love you man!

Still consider two things:

1) P5 boosters foot the bill for the football coach. High-quality kids and academic achievements are nice, but the W-L record is their primary obsession. Urban Meyer, the recruiter of Aaron Hernandez vs squeaky clean Chris Creighton? Who wins?

2) If a higher paying school does come calling, does a longer-term contract for
Creighton protect us? Nate Oats and Lance Leipold bolted even after being extended at Buffalo. I just don't see any reason for our head coach to be under contract for more than two years beyond his current season.

(11-11-2022 04:25 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 07:37 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 11:18 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 06:55 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 05:09 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Sure. Chris must not watch the games.

Hopefully someone else agrees with him and gives him a cool million per.

Cow, that ain't gonna happen and you know it unless somebody loses their coach at the last minute in spring like Kansas did. His W-L record and flat level of progression will not satisfy any boosters that are willing to spend big money.

I'm still in the Creighton tent, BUT a bowl game this year makes him our coach through freaking 2027! That simply is insane. C'mon EMU, get out of that Murphy style contract. We have been there and done that and it did not work well.

Jerry,

I think the P5s or better paying G5s come knocking on CCs door if he wins out and wins bowl game. A 9-4 record would do it based on his high quality kids and academic achievements.

Lucky, I love you man!

Still consider two things:

1) P5 boosters foot the bill for the football coach. High-quality kids and academic achievements are nice, but the W-L record is their primary obsession. Urban Meyer, the recruiter of Aaron Hernandez vs squeaky clean Chris Creighton? Who wins?

2) If a higher paying school does come calling, does a longer-term contract for
Creighton protect us? Nate Oats and Lance Leipold bolted even after being extended at Buffalo. I just don't see any reason for our head coach to be under contract for more than two years beyond his current season.

I want to disagree with Jerry.

The terms of CC's contract, as we are discussing, protects both him AND US. If someone wants to hire him after this season we should get a boat load of money as compensation.

If CC were under a year to year or two year contract, there is very little protection for him or us.

And I'll repeat a mantra I used before: Extending contracts, bowl bonuses, MACC appearance bonuses, etc. are all designed to reward excellence and make it harder for another school to poach that coach.

Like aren't successful ATHLETES given long term contracts in pro sports? Don't the teams want to tie down a super star? Of course,

And if Vince Lombardi was coaching in this current era, wouldn't he have a long term contract, with a ton of provisions to keep him?

(11-11-2022 04:25 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 07:37 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 11:18 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 06:55 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 05:09 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Sure. Chris must not watch the games.

Hopefully someone else agrees with him and gives him a cool million per.

Cow, that ain't gonna happen and you know it unless somebody loses their coach at the last minute in spring like Kansas did. His W-L record and flat level of progression will not satisfy any boosters that are willing to spend big money.

I'm still in the Creighton tent, BUT a bowl game this year makes him our coach through freaking 2027! That simply is insane. C'mon EMU, get out of that Murphy style contract. We have been there and done that and it did not work well.

Jerry,

I think the P5s or better paying G5s come knocking on CCs door if he wins out and wins bowl game. A 9-4 record would do it based on his high quality kids and academic achievements.

Lucky, I love you man!

Still consider two things:

1) P5 boosters foot the bill for the football coach. High-quality kids and academic achievements are nice, but the W-L record is their primary obsession. Urban Meyer, the recruiter of Aaron Hernandez vs squeaky clean Chris Creighton? Who wins?

2) If a higher paying school does come calling, does a longer-term contract for
Creighton protect us? Nate Oats and Lance Leipold bolted even after being extended at Buffalo. I just don't see any reason for our head coach to be under contract for more than two years beyond his current season.

I want to disagree with Jerry.

The terms of CC's contract, as we are discussing, protects both him AND US. If someone wants to hire him after this season we should get a boat load of money as compensation.

If CC were under a year to year or two year contract, there is very little protection for him or us.

And I'll repeat a mantra I used before: Extending contracts, bowl bonuses, MACC appearance bonuses, etc. are all designed to reward excellence and make it harder for another school to poach that coach.

Like aren't successful ATHLETES given long term contracts in pro sports? Don't the teams want to tie down a super star? Of course,

And if Vince Lombardi was coaching in this current era, wouldn't he have a long term contract, with a ton of provisions to keep him?

(11-12-2022 07:42 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/sports/college/zips/2022/11/11/mid-american-conference-will-no-longer-sponsor-mens-soccer-akron-western-michigan-mac-ncaa/69641561007/

(11-12-2022 08:19 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-12-2022 07:42 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/sports/college/zips/2022/11/11/mid-american-conference-will-no-longer-sponsor-mens-soccer-akron-western-michigan-mac-ncaa/69641561007/

What is the answer here? I took a walk less than two miles from my home a few weeks ago. U-M not only participates in the Olympic sports like soccer, field hockey and lacrosse, they also have incredible facilities for such. Each has its own stadium.

So, if I am a MAC school with FAR less revenue and still encumbered with Title IX regulations, what do I do? I honestly suspect that EMU and others in the conference will trim their men's sports offerings to Football and Basketball only while opting for the minimum women's sports that satisfy legal requirements.