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MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - AllBronco - 01-07-2022 12:19 PM
2019 Football Attendance From NCAA Website
Toledo.........................20,399
Akron......................... 17,959
Western Mich.............17,937
Miami (OH),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,17,794
North Dakota St.............17,440
Eastern Mich...............17,025
Ohio.............................16,566
Buffalo.........................16,417
Bowling Green............15,295
Western Ky....................15,191
Delaware.......................14,275
Middle Tenn.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,14,253
Central Mich..............13,564
Kent St.......................12,822
Youngstown St..............12,021
South Dakota St.............10,971
Ball St...........................9,924
Illinois St........................9,242
Northern Ill.................8,518
Northern Iowa................8,432
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - kreed5120 - 01-07-2022 12:27 PM
These numbers are pretty meaningless due to the FBS 15000 mandate. Schools buy large block of tickets just to remain complient so figures are fudged. No way Akron was selling 18k tickets per game lol
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - Zippy989 - 01-07-2022 04:31 PM
(01-07-2022 12:27 PM)kreed5120 Wrote: These numbers are pretty meaningless due to the FBS 15000 mandate. Schools buy large block of tickets just to remain complient so figures are fudged. No way Akron was selling 18k tickets per game lol
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RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - Schaefer Beer - 01-09-2022 05:50 AM
If the 15000 FBS threshold was truly a concern, the MAC would have ended MACtion with ESPN after the first season. There is no way you are going to get 15K fans to a Mid-Major Tuesday night game in November in the Upper Midwest.
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - emu steve - 01-09-2022 06:44 AM
(01-07-2022 12:27 PM)kreed5120 Wrote: These numbers are pretty meaningless due to the FBS 15000 mandate. Schools buy large block of tickets just to remain complient so figures are fudged. No way Akron was selling 18k tickets per game lol
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RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - Polish Hammer - 01-09-2022 08:00 AM
Sam Houston State is transitioning to FBS and their stadium has a seating capacity of 12593, and they barely get half of that on game day. I doubt the NCAA cares much about attendance anymore.
https://www.itemonline.com/sports/sam-houstons-speculated-move-to-conference-usa-brings-questions-concerns/article_7ddcf974-3c0d-11ec-8daf-bb95ebb6ade0.html
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - axeme - 01-09-2022 08:48 AM
There are so many other sources of revenue today for athletic departments besides people showing up to stadiums and arenas and buying tickets that attendance has ceased to be a measure of what it was thought to be. Schools are finding lots of ways to finance their programs and these ways continue to evolve as broadcast media money, corporate sponsorships, social media money, etc. become more a part of the fabric of college athletics. Measuring the viability of an athletic program by how many people watch it live is meaningless today. It matters to a few old attendance nerds on message boards, but not in the real world of college athletics. Even these message boards are an old-fashioned medium that aren’t what they used to be 10+ years ago.
At any rate, PH is right: the NCAA has lost all interest in using attendance as anything meaningful. It’s just not a factor anymore. In the real world, it may matter how many people stream events or engage with programs on social media, etc. but the NCAA is sure not going jump into to trying to figure out and regulate what all that means.
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - Schaefer Beer - 01-09-2022 09:14 AM
(01-09-2022 08:48 AM)axeme Wrote: There are so many other sources of revenue today for athletic departments besides people showing up to stadiums and arenas and buying tickets that attendance has ceased to be a measure of what it was thought to be. Schools are finding lots of ways to finance their programs and these ways continue to evolve as broadcast media money, corporate sponsorships, social media money, etc. become more a part of the fabric of college athletics. Measuring the viability of an athletic program by how many people watch it live is meaningless today. It matters to a few old attendance nerds on message boards, but not in the real world of college athletics. Even these message boards are an old-fashioned medium that aren’t what they used to be 10+ years ago.
At any rate, PH is right: the NCAA has lost all interest in using attendance as anything meaningful. It’s just not a factor anymore. In the real world, it may matter how many people stream events or engage with programs on social media, etc. but the NCAA is sure not going jump into to trying to figure out and regulate what all that means.
I think you are saying in a roundabout way, the NCAA does not look at the optics, it looks at the revenue generation that goes into their coffers.
I can't believe that the NCAA only cares about is money! They are such a wholesome group that cares about the student's education and their values in life as well as their athletic well being.
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - Steve1981 - 01-09-2022 01:56 PM
(01-07-2022 12:19 PM)AllBronco Wrote: 2019 Football Attendance From NCAA Website
Toledo.........................20,399
Akron......................... 17,959
Western Mich.............17,937
Miami (OH),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,17,794
North Dakota St.............17,440
Eastern Mich...............17,025
Ohio.............................16,566
Buffalo.........................16,417
Bowling Green............15,295
Western Ky....................15,191
Delaware.......................14,275
Middle Tenn.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,14,253
Central Mich..............13,564
Kent St.......................12,822
Youngstown St..............12,021
South Dakota St.............10,971
Ball St...........................9,924
Illinois St........................9,242
Northern Ill.................8,518
Northern Iowa................8,432
So it's two years behind as the 2021 season has ended and has 2019 figures.
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - cmufanatic - 01-09-2022 02:18 PM
(01-09-2022 05:50 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote: If the 15000 FBS threshold was truly a concern, the MAC would have ended MACtion with ESPN after the first season. There is no way you are going to get 15K fans to a Mid-Major Tuesday night game in November in the Upper Midwest.
Not true at all CMU had over 15k on a weeknight vs Ball st as both teams were fighting for MAC W was 2007 or 8.
MAC and ESPN need to somehow flex top games in MAC to maction
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - FMRocket - 01-09-2022 02:28 PM
(01-09-2022 02:18 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:(01-09-2022 05:50 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote: If the 15000 FBS threshold was truly a concern, the MAC would have ended MACtion with ESPN after the first season. There is no way you are going to get 15K fans to a Mid-Major Tuesday night game in November in the Upper Midwest.
Not true at all CMU had over 15k on a weeknight vs Ball st as both teams were fighting for MAC W was 2007 or 8.
MAC and ESPN need to somehow flex top games in MAC to maction
BG easily had 16-18,000 in attendance this past year for the Rocket/Falcon rivalry game on a cold November night...
Toledo will have that, and then some, in the Glass Bowl next November !!
MACTION or no MACTION !!
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - Schadenfreude - 01-09-2022 03:13 PM
(01-09-2022 02:28 PM)FMRocket Wrote: BG easily had 16-18,000 in attendance this past year for the Rocket/Falcon rivalry game on a cold November night...
18,349, to be precise.
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - kreed5120 - 01-09-2022 03:16 PM
Yes, I don't know why the NCAA just doesn't do away with the rule. Either way schools still buy tickets themselves to remain compliant so these numbers don't really show anything.
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - AllBronco - 01-09-2022 06:24 PM
(01-09-2022 01:56 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:(01-07-2022 12:19 PM)AllBronco Wrote: 2019 Football Attendance From NCAA Website
Toledo.........................20,399
Akron......................... 17,959
Western Mich.............17,937
Miami (OH),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,17,794
North Dakota St.............17,440
Eastern Mich...............17,025
Ohio.............................16,566
Buffalo.........................16,417
Bowling Green............15,295
Western Ky....................15,191
Delaware.......................14,275
Middle Tenn.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,14,253
Central Mich..............13,564
Kent St.......................12,822
Youngstown St..............12,021
South Dakota St.............10,971
Ball St...........................9,924
Illinois St........................9,242
Northern Ill.................8,518
Northern Iowa................8,432
So it's two years behind as the 2021 season has ended and has 2019 figures.
2021 season is available too, but I used 2019 because it was the last season before Covid impacted attendance.
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - Jerry Weaver - 01-09-2022 07:36 PM
(01-09-2022 05:50 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote: If the 15000 FBS threshold was truly a concern, the MAC would have ended MACtion with ESPN after the first season. There is no way you are going to get 15K fans to a Mid-Major Tuesday night game in November in the Upper Midwest.
Beer you speak the TRUTH!
The term, "NCAA Mandate" also means little at this point. I think the NCAA as an organization has achieved the respect level of Enron or Bernie Madoff.
Oh wait, Enron and Madoff were competent but extremely corrupt, the NCAA just is not in any way competent.
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - Schaefer Beer - 01-09-2022 08:00 PM
(01-09-2022 02:18 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:(01-09-2022 05:50 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote: If the 15000 FBS threshold was truly a concern, the MAC would have ended MACtion with ESPN after the first season. There is no way you are going to get 15K fans to a Mid-Major Tuesday night game in November in the Upper Midwest.
Not true at all CMU had over 15k on a weeknight vs Ball st as both teams were fighting for MAC W was 2007 or 8.
MAC and ESPN need to somehow flex top games in MAC to maction
Ok, so 1 game 14 years ago & way before MACtion started is proof that having games on Tuesday and Wednesday nights from late October to late November is a draw for fans?
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - Schaefer Beer - 01-09-2022 08:06 PM
(01-09-2022 02:28 PM)FMRocket Wrote:(01-09-2022 02:18 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:(01-09-2022 05:50 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote: If the 15000 FBS threshold was truly a concern, the MAC would have ended MACtion with ESPN after the first season. There is no way you are going to get 15K fans to a Mid-Major Tuesday night game in November in the Upper Midwest.
Not true at all CMU had over 15k on a weeknight vs Ball st as both teams were fighting for MAC W was 2007 or 8.
MAC and ESPN need to somehow flex top games in MAC to maction
BG easily had 16-18,000 in attendance this past year for the Rocket/Falcon rivalry game on a cold November night...
Toledo will have that, and then some, in the Glass Bowl next November !!
MACTION or no MACTION !!
I would hope that a longstanding rivalry between 2 schools that are 20 miles apart would draw over 15000 fans since fan bases from both schools are able to travel on a Tuesday night.
Now tell me how many people show up for an Akron game at EMU on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving.
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - FMRocket - 01-09-2022 10:12 PM
(01-09-2022 08:06 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:(01-09-2022 02:28 PM)FMRocket Wrote:(01-09-2022 02:18 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:(01-09-2022 05:50 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote: If the 15000 FBS threshold was truly a concern, the MAC would have ended MACtion with ESPN after the first season. There is no way you are going to get 15K fans to a Mid-Major Tuesday night game in November in the Upper Midwest.
Not true at all CMU had over 15k on a weeknight vs Ball st as both teams were fighting for MAC W was 2007 or 8.
MAC and ESPN need to somehow flex top games in MAC to maction
BG easily had 16-18,000 in attendance this past year for the Rocket/Falcon rivalry game on a cold November night...
Toledo will have that, and then some, in the Glass Bowl next November !!
MACTION or no MACTION !!
I would hope that a longstanding rivalry between 2 schools that are 20 miles apart would draw over 15000 fans since fan bases from both schools are able to travel on a Tuesday night.
Now tell me how many people show up for an Akron game at EMU on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving.
Now tell me how often ESPN would even think about about showcasing an Akron/EMU matchup on a Tuesday night before Thanksgiving...
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - axeme - 01-09-2022 10:18 PM
(01-09-2022 10:12 PM)FMRocket Wrote:(01-09-2022 08:06 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:(01-09-2022 02:28 PM)FMRocket Wrote:(01-09-2022 02:18 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:(01-09-2022 05:50 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote: If the 15000 FBS threshold was truly a concern, the MAC would have ended MACtion with ESPN after the first season. There is no way you are going to get 15K fans to a Mid-Major Tuesday night game in November in the Upper Midwest.
Not true at all CMU had over 15k on a weeknight vs Ball st as both teams were fighting for MAC W was 2007 or 8.
MAC and ESPN need to somehow flex top games in MAC to maction
BG easily had 16-18,000 in attendance this past year for the Rocket/Falcon rivalry game on a cold November night...
Toledo will have that, and then some, in the Glass Bowl next November !!
MACTION or no MACTION !!
I would hope that a longstanding rivalry between 2 schools that are 20 miles apart would draw over 15000 fans since fan bases from both schools are able to travel on a Tuesday night.
Now tell me how many people show up for an Akron game at EMU on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving.
Now tell me how often ESPN would even think about about showcasing an Akron/EMU matchup on a Tuesday night before Thanksgiving...
Or how many would go to that game on a Saturday afternoon after Thanksgiving? It’s a small number no matter which day of the week it is.
RE: MAC FB Attendance and Some Others Mixed In - Schaefer Beer - 01-09-2022 11:15 PM
(01-09-2022 10:12 PM)FMRocket Wrote:(01-09-2022 08:06 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:(01-09-2022 02:28 PM)FMRocket Wrote:(01-09-2022 02:18 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:(01-09-2022 05:50 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote: If the 15000 FBS threshold was truly a concern, the MAC would have ended MACtion with ESPN after the first season. There is no way you are going to get 15K fans to a Mid-Major Tuesday night game in November in the Upper Midwest.
Not true at all CMU had over 15k on a weeknight vs Ball st as both teams were fighting for MAC W was 2007 or 8.
MAC and ESPN need to somehow flex top games in MAC to maction
BG easily had 16-18,000 in attendance this past year for the Rocket/Falcon rivalry game on a cold November night...
Toledo will have that, and then some, in the Glass Bowl next November !!
MACTION or no MACTION !!
I would hope that a longstanding rivalry between 2 schools that are 20 miles apart would draw over 15000 fans since fan bases from both schools are able to travel on a Tuesday night.
Now tell me how many people show up for an Akron game at EMU on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving.
Now tell me how often ESPN would even think about about showcasing an Akron/EMU matchup on a Tuesday night before Thanksgiving...
If It is one of the 2 games on Tuesday, they will show it on the Duece or the U.
Whether the matchup is Ohio v BSU or NIU v Akron, or I will even go bigger, CMU v WMU or Ohio V Miami, You are not going to get 15K in actual attendance.