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Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - CrimsonPhantom - 06-30-2021 12:34 PM Quote:Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) broke with President Joe Biden Wednesday morning, refusing to bring the bipartisan “roads-and-bridges” infrastructure bill to the House floor without a guarantee that it is paired with a multi-trillion dollar “human infrastructure” package. Link Nice! Thanks, Nancy. Zero bills is better than two. Related: Biden* Walks Back Comments On Infrastructure Plan GOP Rep. Davis: ‘Partisan’ Infrastructure Bill Puts Most Money in Urban Areas, Sacrifices Rural America Quote:During Wednesday’s broadcast of “Mornings with Maria” on Fox Business Network, Rep. Rodney Davis (R-IL) warned that the current infrastructure bill would direct most of the funding to urban areas while sacrificing rural America. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - Jugnaut - 06-30-2021 01:24 PM Yeah, I don't think she understands that passing neither bill is fine with republicans especially when shes given them cover for it. Pelosi will be blamed for torpedoing the infrastructure bill. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - TigerBlue4Ever - 06-30-2021 05:01 PM I'd much rather see them do nothing. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - Attackcoog - 06-30-2021 06:25 PM (06-30-2021 05:01 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: I'd much rather see them do nothing. Agree. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - domer1978 - 06-30-2021 06:54 PM #win RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - MileHighBronco - 06-30-2021 08:01 PM Gridlock is good when it comes to congress. Remember, congress is the opposite of progress. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - BlueDragon - 06-30-2021 08:52 PM Is it just me or does AOC sound like a 12 year old spoiled brat when she speaks? RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - stinkfist - 06-30-2021 10:44 PM (06-30-2021 05:01 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: I'd much rather see them do nothing. yeah, but I can't resist muh yogi-isms.... RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - scorpius - 07-01-2021 07:38 PM Doing nothing is ideal because it will force Machin and Sinema to give on the filibuster on this and thus open the flood gate to everything else. Once reality sets in around September that nothing is getting done, you better believe their attitudes will change. My guess is they will be forced to bring up both bills and force McConnell's hand. If he plays chicken, he'll lose the hen house. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - Owl 69/70/75 - 07-01-2021 08:09 PM (07-01-2021 07:38 PM)scorpius Wrote: Doing nothing is ideal because it will force Machin and Sinema to give on the filibuster on this and thus open the flood gate to everything else. Once reality sets in around September that nothing is getting done, you better believe their attitudes will change. My guess is they will be forced to bring up both bills and force McConnell's hand. If he plays chicken, he'll lose the hen house. Well, one thing you can count on is that McConnell with find a way to screw the pooch. I hope and pray that Manchin and Sinema can hang tough in the face of the pressure that will be put on them, and that none of the RINOs break ranks. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - Was SoMs Eagle - 07-01-2021 08:21 PM (06-30-2021 08:52 PM)BlueDragon Wrote: Is it just me or does AOC sound like a 12 year old spoiled brat when she speaks? Unfortunately that appeals to a large segment of our voting populace. The same segment that couldn’t handle Trump’s mean tweets. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - Was SoMs Eagle - 07-01-2021 08:26 PM I smell a rat. Pelosi has a plan and it will include reconciliation. They will do their best to get everything. No compromise from the marxist. Everything. Just like Barry care. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - scorpius - 07-02-2021 07:31 PM (07-01-2021 08:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(07-01-2021 07:38 PM)scorpius Wrote: Doing nothing is ideal because it will force Machin and Sinema to give on the filibuster on this and thus open the flood gate to everything else. Once reality sets in around September that nothing is getting done, you better believe their attitudes will change. My guess is they will be forced to bring up both bills and force McConnell's hand. If he plays chicken, he'll lose the hen house. I wouldn't hold out much hope on them hanging tough unless they are being paid off behind the scenes like Lieberman almost certainly was when he suddenly come out against lowering the Medicare age with Obamacare after rallying for it his whole career. I say this because 10 years ago one of the first acts as senator, Machin co-sponsored a bill to get rid of the filibuster. Also about 10 years ago Sinema (in the AZ legislature at the time) publicly criticized Lieberman and Nelson for capitalizing on the fact they were the deciding votes for Obamacare. So good luck on them hanging tough. I wouldn't bet on that. Regardless, they will almost certainly cave on voting rights. I'd put a bet on that. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - Native Georgian - 07-02-2021 10:28 PM (07-01-2021 07:38 PM)scorpius Wrote: Doing nothing is ideal because it will force Machin and Sinema to give on the filibuster on this and thus open the flood gate to everything else. Once reality sets in around September that nothing is getting done, you better believe their attitudes will change. (07-02-2021 07:31 PM)scorpius Wrote: I wouldn't hold out much hope on them hanging tough unless they are being paid off behind the scenes like Lieberman almost certainly was when he suddenly come out against lowering the Medicare age with Obamacare after rallying for it his whole career.LOL at the idea Lieberman was “paid off behind the scenes.” No more so than McCain or Chafee was then, or Romney is now. Or Sinema and Manchin are now. These people love the power and the attention and the drama and they do what they feel like doing. That’s all. Is calling Manchin “Machin” a troll-thing or just typographical? I noticed you did that twice. There’s nothing special about the month of September, or any other month, in all this. If Manchin and Sinema decide to go back on their specific, repeated, public statements — and not just generic boiler-plate for a press release but spontaneous reactions out of their own mouths — they will do it on their own time-frame in accordance with whatever they think is important in that moment. I admit it’s possible that either or both will do so, although right now today, it seems unlikely to me. Sinema has had a curious political trajectory. I don’t know what, exactly, happened in terms of her private/personal experience, but for some reason Sinema has apparently chosen — much like McCain himself — to step away from the partisan faction that helped to get her elected in the first place. Also like McCain, she doesn’t seem to care who is okay with it and who isn’t. It can be very difficult to put “pressure” on a person like that, especially when the person has invested a lot of their public image/ego in resisting that pressure. Manchin has always struck me as a go-along-to-get-along type who views his primary political mission in life as getting re-elected forever, like Strom Thurmond or Robert Byrd. While I don’t think he’s really “against” any of the Democrats’ agenda, per se, I also don’t think he’s going to stick his neck out on the chopping block in order to get it passed. LOL that a bill he co-sponsored 10 years ago (!) has anything to do with his strategy, here and now. Also, I’ll repeat a point I’ve made before, that there are other Dem. Senators who privately approve of what Manchin/Sinema are doing and are encouraging them to hold firm, but don’t want to catch any of the flak themselves. But I guess we’ll see. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - Attackcoog - 07-02-2021 11:16 PM (07-02-2021 10:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:(07-01-2021 07:38 PM)scorpius Wrote: Doing nothing is ideal because it will force Machin and Sinema to give on the filibuster on this and thus open the flood gate to everything else. Once reality sets in around September that nothing is getting done, you better believe their attitudes will change. Thats what I think. There are Democrats who have been around a while that know the Democrats will eventually lose both houses of Congress (probably in 2022) and will be just one presidential election from being steamrolled. Right now---their crazy left wing BLM/Socialist agenda is being held up by their mainstream media propaganda wing. Once people get a taste of actually living under those insane proposals the leftist Democrats are pushing (automatic even for bond multiple offense felons, slashed police budgets, ceasing to enforce theft laws under $1000, massive school tax increases due to open borders, confiscatory gun ownership taxes, etc), the tide will turn faster than disco went from a craze to a joke. Anyone that remembers 1980 knows whats coming. President Houseplant is a Carter sized disaster, except we dont even get Carter's calming wisdom or his ability to speak in coherent sentences. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - scorpius - 07-03-2021 09:25 PM (07-02-2021 10:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Is calling Manchin “Machin” a troll-thing or just typographical? I noticed you did that twice. I actually like Manchin. No need to troll him. He is the one who put common sense into the Dem's Voting Rights bill. The fact he came up with his own "compromise" tells me he is smart enough to know something must pass on this, with or without the GOP. That's why I think at the end of the day, Manchin/Sinema will do a one time exception to the fillabuster on that issue alone. And I believe it has to be by September so it can fully effect the 2022 election cycle. (07-02-2021 11:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Anyone that remembers 1980 knows whats coming. President Houseplant is a Carter sized disaster, except we dont even get Carter's calming wisdom or his ability to speak in coherent sentences. If Trump isn't the new Carter, I don't know who can be. The Trump brand now is absolutely toxic. What's left of it is becoming known as cheap, discounted, or downright sketchy. It's no longer associated with luxurious. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - olliebaba - 07-04-2021 05:20 PM (06-30-2021 01:24 PM)Jugnaut Wrote: Yeah, I don't think she understands that passing neither bill is fine with republicans especially when shes given them cover for it. Pelosi will be blamed for torpedoing the infrastructure bill. Yep, and watch them change it around to make the Republicans the meanies just like they are trying to do with the Defund the Police narrative. These people are evil and as the Bible says Satan is the king of liars and liars following him. But, they don't care, they never have and never will. RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - Native Georgian - 09-20-2021 12:02 PM (07-01-2021 07:38 PM)scorpius Wrote: Doing nothing is ideal because it will force Machin and Sinema to give on the filibuster on this and thus open the flood gate to everything else. Once reality sets in around September that nothing is getting done, you better believe their attitudes will change. My guess is they will be forced to bring up both bills and force McConnell's hand. If he plays chicken, he'll lose the hen house. Just checking in… Now that September is 2/3 done, how are things going with Manchin and Sinema? RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - BartlettTigerFan - 09-20-2021 12:04 PM (09-20-2021 12:02 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:(07-01-2021 07:38 PM)scorpius Wrote: Doing nothing is ideal because it will force Machin and Sinema to give on the filibuster on this and thus open the flood gate to everything else. Once reality sets in around September that nothing is getting done, you better believe their attitudes will change. My guess is they will be forced to bring up both bills and force McConnell's hand. If he plays chicken, he'll lose the hen house. He'll just change it to October RE: Pelosi Bucks White House, Blocks Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill - UofMstateU - 09-20-2021 01:53 PM (09-20-2021 12:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:(09-20-2021 12:02 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:(07-01-2021 07:38 PM)scorpius Wrote: Doing nothing is ideal because it will force Machin and Sinema to give on the filibuster on this and thus open the flood gate to everything else. Once reality sets in around September that nothing is getting done, you better believe their attitudes will change. My guess is they will be forced to bring up both bills and force McConnell's hand. If he plays chicken, he'll lose the hen house. Which is also the new date that they believe Gaetz will be indicted, since it didnt happen in August, and doesnt look likely to happen in September. |