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NC State gets screwed - XLance - 06-26-2021 05:25 AM
Tournament committee makes a decision not to let them play.
https://twitter.com/NCAACWS/status/1408668849654796289?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
NC State gets screwed - georgia_tech_swagger - 06-26-2021 05:42 AM
The NCAA can't die fast enough.
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NC State gets screwed - CoastalJuan - 06-26-2021 06:07 AM
(06-26-2021 05:25 AM)XLance Wrote: Tournament committee makes a decision not to let them play.
https://twitter.com/NCAACWS/status/1408668849654796289?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Wow. They only had to adjust the strike zone to get us out of Vandy’s way. NC State was doing so well that they had to flat out cancel the last game. Props to the Wolf Pack.
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RE: NC State gets screwed - Hokie Mark - 06-26-2021 07:01 AM
If Vanderbilt goes on to win the title, there should be an asterisk beside it.
RE: NC State gets screwed - esayem - 06-26-2021 07:38 AM
Reschedule it! What the hell is wrong with them. They have the whole freaking summer to finish it.
RE: NC State gets screwed - Bear Catlett - 06-26-2021 08:50 AM
Four guys healthy as a horse have their nasal swab come back screwy...
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !!!!!
RE: NC State gets screwed - JRsec - 06-26-2021 09:26 AM
(06-26-2021 05:25 AM)XLance Wrote: Tournament committee makes a decision not to let them play.
https://twitter.com/NCAACWS/status/1408668849654796289?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
We used to be a free people, and sports sacrosanct. All that could be reasonably done had been done, and protocols had been publicly relaxed. For an open air sport with relatively little personal contact the word Draconian comes to mind. What I see is a bureaucracy under legal threat, and in fear of losing its agency, trying to prove its worth to a larger bureaucracy run amok.
What this smells like to me is that the NCAA expected N.C. State to forfeit yesterday, State took the option to play without half their team, almost won, and got hammered in the middle of the night for it. I could be wrong since all details haven't been released, but I was under the impression yesterday that many of the suspended players had been vaccinated and only a few had not. If that's the case the suspensions of the vaccinated were not necessary, or we have been lied too about the efficacy of vaccinations. It's damned hard to trust the ambiguous enforcement of constantly shifting rules surrounding a health issue in which leaders constantly flip flop on guidelines.
RE: NC State gets screwed - Hallcity - 06-26-2021 09:28 AM
Why wouldn’t every NCSU player have been eager to be vaccinated? Why wouldn’t the NCSU coach have insisted on it? Why wouldn’t the NCSU AD have insisted on it? What happened is what often happens when you act like a dumb***. Life punishes you.
RE: NC State gets screwed - XLance - 06-26-2021 10:57 AM
(06-26-2021 09:28 AM)Hallcity Wrote: Why wouldn’t every NCSU player have been eager to be vaccinated? Why wouldn’t the NCSU coach have insisted on it? Why wouldn’t the NCSU AD have insisted on it? What happened is what often happens when you act like a dumb***. Life punishes you.
With what we have learned about the dangers of the vaccine for young males, if I were 19 or 20 there would be no way in the world I would take that shot.
RE: NC State gets screwed - Statefan - 06-26-2021 11:06 AM
(06-26-2021 10:57 AM)XLance Wrote:(06-26-2021 09:28 AM)Hallcity Wrote: Why wouldn’t every NCSU player have been eager to be vaccinated? Why wouldn’t the NCSU coach have insisted on it? Why wouldn’t the NCSU AD have insisted on it? What happened is what often happens when you act like a dumb***. Life punishes you.
With what we have learned about the dangers of the vaccine for young males, if I were 19 or 20 there would be no way in the world I would take that shot.
There are no dangers of the vaccine for young males.
From Mayo Clinic:
Overview
Inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis).
MyocarditisOpen pop-up dialog box
Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle (myocardium). Myocarditis can affect your heart muscle and your heart's electrical system, reducing your heart's ability to pump and causing rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias).
A viral infection usually causes myocarditis, but it can result from a reaction to a drug or be part of a more general inflammatory condition. Signs and symptoms include chest pain, fatigue, shortness of breath, and arrhythmias.
Severe myocarditis weakens your heart so that the rest of your body doesn't get enough blood. Clots can form in your heart, leading to a stroke or heart attack.
Treatment for myocarditis depends on the cause.
Myocarditis care at Mayo Clinic
Symptoms
If you have a mild case of myocarditis or are in the early stages, you might have no symptoms or mild ones, such as chest pain or shortness of breath.
In serious cases, the signs and symptoms of myocarditis vary, depending on the cause of the disease. Common myocarditis signs and symptoms include:
Chest pain
Rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias)
Shortness of breath, at rest or during physical activity
Fluid retention with swelling of your legs, ankles and feet
Fatigue
Other signs and symptoms of a viral infection, such as a headache, body aches, joint pain, fever, a sore throat or diarrhea
Myocarditis in children
When children develop myocarditis, they might have signs and symptoms including:
Fever
Fainting
Breathing difficulties
Rapid breathing
Rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias)
When to see a doctor
Contact your doctor if you have symptoms of myocarditis, particularly chest pain and shortness of breath. If you've had an infection, be alert for the symptoms of myocarditis and let your doctor know if they occur. If you have severe symptoms, go to the emergency room or call for emergency medical help.
Request an Appointment at Mayo Clinic
Causes
Often, the cause of myocarditis isn't identified. Potential causes are many, but the likelihood of developing myocarditis is rare. Potential causes include:
Viruses. Many viruses are commonly associated with myocarditis, including the viruses that cause the common cold (adenovirus); COVID-19; hepatitis B and C; parvovirus, which causes a mild rash, usually in children (fifth disease); and herpes simplex virus.
Gastrointestinal infections (echoviruses), mononucleosis (Epstein-Barr virus) and German measles (rubella) also can cause myocarditis. It's also common in people with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
Bacteria. Numerous bacteria can cause myocarditis, including staphylococcus, streptococcus, the bacterium that causes diphtheria and the tick-borne bacterium responsible for Lyme disease.
Parasites. Among these are such parasites as Trypanosoma cruzi and toxoplasma, including some that are transmitted by insects and can cause a condition called Chagas disease. This disease is much more prevalent in Central and South America than in the United States, but it can occur in travelers and in immigrants from that part of the world.
Fungi. Yeast infections, such as candida; molds, such as aspergillus; and other fungi, such as histoplasma, often found in bird droppings, can sometimes cause myocarditis, particularly in people with weakened immune systems.
Myocarditis also sometimes occurs if you're exposed to:
Medications or illegal drugs that might cause an allergic or toxic reaction. These include drugs used to treat cancer; antibiotics, such as penicillin and sulfonamide drugs; some anti-seizure medications; and some illegal substances, such as cocaine.
Chemicals or radiation. Exposure to certain chemicals, such as carbon monoxide, and radiation can sometimes cause myocarditis.
Other diseases. These include disorders such as lupus, Wegener's granulomatosis, giant cell arteritis and Takayasu's arteritis.
Complications
Severe myocarditis can permanently damage your heart muscle, possibly causing:
Heart failure. Untreated, myocarditis can damage your heart's muscle so that it can't pump blood effectively. In severe cases, myocarditis-related heart failure may require a ventricular assist device or a heart transplant.
Heart attack or stroke. If your heart's muscle is injured and can't pump blood, the blood that pools in your heart can form clots. If a clot blocks one of your heart's arteries, you can have a heart attack. If a blood clot in your heart travels to an artery leading to your brain before becoming lodged, you can have a stroke.
Rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias). Damage to your heart muscle can cause arrhythmias.
Sudden cardiac death. Certain serious arrhythmias can cause your heart to stop beating (sudden cardiac arrest). It's fatal if not treated immediately.
Prevention
There's no specific prevention for myocarditis. However, taking these steps to prevent infections might help:
Avoid people who have a viral or flu-like illness until they've recovered. If you're sick with viral symptoms, try to avoid exposing others.
Follow good hygiene. Regular hand-washing can help prevent spreading illness.
Avoid risky behaviors. To reduce your chances of getting an HIV-related myocardial infection, practice safe sex and don't use illegal drugs.
Minimize exposure to ticks. If you spend time in tick-infested areas, wear long-sleeved shirts and long pants to cover as much of your skin as possible. Apply tick or insect repellents that contain DEET.
Get your vaccines. Stay up to date on the recommended vaccines, including those that protect against rubella and influenza — diseases that can cause myocarditis.
RE: NC State gets screwed - CollegeCard - 06-26-2021 11:34 AM
This really sucks for NC State and their fan base, and I hate seeing Vandy get a free pass to the final series. Rooting for tonight’s winner in the best of 3.
That said, he won’t do it but Avent should look in the mirror and regret his lack of leadership for his team. You don’t mandate vaccination but you strongly encourage it for your team, rather than at minimum staying silent as he indicated. If you ever give life advice to your team as a coach on other topics, he should have here as well.
Then from purely a practical standpoint, the NCAA wasn’t testing vaccinated players and staff until there was “evidence of substantial or high transmission in the community, or if there are COVID-19 variants that escape the effect of the vaccine, then testing may need to resume for fully vaccinated individuals”… i.e.- come vaccinated and your team isn’t tested as 1 of 8 CWS participants did per Kendall Rogers. Simply out, Avent put his team at a competitive disadvantage and unfortunately got burned. If I’m a Wolfpack fan, he has more blame than anyone.
RE: NC State gets screwed - Hallcity - 06-26-2021 11:51 AM
(06-26-2021 11:06 AM)Statefan Wrote:(06-26-2021 10:57 AM)XLance Wrote:(06-26-2021 09:28 AM)Hallcity Wrote: Why wouldn’t every NCSU player have been eager to be vaccinated? Why wouldn’t the NCSU coach have insisted on it? Why wouldn’t the NCSU AD have insisted on it? What happened is what often happens when you act like a dumb***. Life punishes you.
With what we have learned about the dangers of the vaccine for young males, if I were 19 or 20 there would be no way in the world I would take that shot.
There are no dangers of the vaccine for young males.
From Mayo Clinic:
Overview
Inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis).
MyocarditisOpen pop-up dialog box
Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle (myocardium). Myocarditis can affect your heart muscle and your heart's electrical system, reducing your heart's ability to pump and causing rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias).
A viral infection usually causes myocarditis, but it can result from a reaction to a drug or be part of a more general inflammatory condition. Signs and symptoms include chest pain, fatigue, shortness of breath, and arrhythmias.
Severe myocarditis weakens your heart so that the rest of your body doesn't get enough blood. Clots can form in your heart, leading to a stroke or heart attack.
Treatment for myocarditis depends on the cause.
Myocarditis care at Mayo Clinic
Symptoms
If you have a mild case of myocarditis or are in the early stages, you might have no symptoms or mild ones, such as chest pain or shortness of breath.
In serious cases, the signs and symptoms of myocarditis vary, depending on the cause of the disease. Common myocarditis signs and symptoms include:
Chest pain
Rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias)
Shortness of breath, at rest or during physical activity
Fluid retention with swelling of your legs, ankles and feet
Fatigue
Other signs and symptoms of a viral infection, such as a headache, body aches, joint pain, fever, a sore throat or diarrhea
Myocarditis in children
When children develop myocarditis, they might have signs and symptoms including:
Fever
Fainting
Breathing difficulties
Rapid breathing
Rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias)
When to see a doctor
Contact your doctor if you have symptoms of myocarditis, particularly chest pain and shortness of breath. If you've had an infection, be alert for the symptoms of myocarditis and let your doctor know if they occur. If you have severe symptoms, go to the emergency room or call for emergency medical help.
Request an Appointment at Mayo Clinic
Causes
Often, the cause of myocarditis isn't identified. Potential causes are many, but the likelihood of developing myocarditis is rare. Potential causes include:
Viruses. Many viruses are commonly associated with myocarditis, including the viruses that cause the common cold (adenovirus); COVID-19; hepatitis B and C; parvovirus, which causes a mild rash, usually in children (fifth disease); and herpes simplex virus.
Gastrointestinal infections (echoviruses), mononucleosis (Epstein-Barr virus) and German measles (rubella) also can cause myocarditis. It's also common in people with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
Bacteria. Numerous bacteria can cause myocarditis, including staphylococcus, streptococcus, the bacterium that causes diphtheria and the tick-borne bacterium responsible for Lyme disease.
Parasites. Among these are such parasites as Trypanosoma cruzi and toxoplasma, including some that are transmitted by insects and can cause a condition called Chagas disease. This disease is much more prevalent in Central and South America than in the United States, but it can occur in travelers and in immigrants from that part of the world.
Fungi. Yeast infections, such as candida; molds, such as aspergillus; and other fungi, such as histoplasma, often found in bird droppings, can sometimes cause myocarditis, particularly in people with weakened immune systems.
Myocarditis also sometimes occurs if you're exposed to:
Medications or illegal drugs that might cause an allergic or toxic reaction. These include drugs used to treat cancer; antibiotics, such as penicillin and sulfonamide drugs; some anti-seizure medications; and some illegal substances, such as cocaine.
Chemicals or radiation. Exposure to certain chemicals, such as carbon monoxide, and radiation can sometimes cause myocarditis.
Other diseases. These include disorders such as lupus, Wegener's granulomatosis, giant cell arteritis and Takayasu's arteritis.
Complications
Severe myocarditis can permanently damage your heart muscle, possibly causing:
Heart failure. Untreated, myocarditis can damage your heart's muscle so that it can't pump blood effectively. In severe cases, myocarditis-related heart failure may require a ventricular assist device or a heart transplant.
Heart attack or stroke. If your heart's muscle is injured and can't pump blood, the blood that pools in your heart can form clots. If a clot blocks one of your heart's arteries, you can have a heart attack. If a blood clot in your heart travels to an artery leading to your brain before becoming lodged, you can have a stroke.
Rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias). Damage to your heart muscle can cause arrhythmias.
Sudden cardiac death. Certain serious arrhythmias can cause your heart to stop beating (sudden cardiac arrest). It's fatal if not treated immediately.
Prevention
There's no specific prevention for myocarditis. However, taking these steps to prevent infections might help:
Avoid people who have a viral or flu-like illness until they've recovered. If you're sick with viral symptoms, try to avoid exposing others.
Follow good hygiene. Regular hand-washing can help prevent spreading illness.
Avoid risky behaviors. To reduce your chances of getting an HIV-related myocardial infection, practice safe sex and don't use illegal drugs.
Minimize exposure to ticks. If you spend time in tick-infested areas, wear long-sleeved shirts and long pants to cover as much of your skin as possible. Apply tick or insect repellents that contain DEET.
Get your vaccines. Stay up to date on the recommended vaccines, including those that protect against rubella and influenza — diseases that can cause myocarditis.
The thing is that the risks from myocarditis from having Covid-19 are vastly higher than the risks of having myocarditis from receiving the vaccine and, of course, there are plenty of other risks from Covid-19, including stroke and permanent lung damage, not to mention death. Vaccine skeptics always dramatically overhype the remote risks of vaccines while dramatically downplaying the risks of the disease the vaccine prevents.
RE: NC State gets screwed - Statefan - 06-26-2021 12:44 PM
College Life puts you at risk of myocarditis.
CollegeCard - the problem is at a place higher up the food chain than with Avent. Higher up than the AD, Higher up than the Chancellor.
RE: NC State gets screwed - ken d - 06-26-2021 01:16 PM
There is nobody to blame here outside of NC State University.
I believe that not getting vaccinated is almost always a bad decision, whether it is due to political ideology or misinformation about the risks. That being said, it is everyone's right to decide for himself. But having that right and exercising it does not excuse the individual from the consequences of his decision.
And it doesn't matter if you believe the consequences are draconian or just plain stupid. They are what they are, and you have to accept it. Maybe the protocols for the CWS are too rigid, and based on an exaggerated assessment of the risks to the players and to those with whom they come in contact. But when you came to Omaha you implicitly accepted those consequences. Nobody forced you to come.
NC State knowingly took a risk, and they had a bad outcome because of it. That's on them.
RE: NC State gets screwed - georgia_tech_swagger - 06-26-2021 01:48 PM
(06-26-2021 01:16 PM)ken d Wrote: I believe that not getting vaccinated is almost always a bad decision, whether it is due to political ideology or misinformation about the risks.
All four players who tested positive were vaccinated.
Recompute and try again.
RE: NC State gets screwed - CollegeCard - 06-26-2021 02:17 PM
(06-26-2021 01:48 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:(06-26-2021 01:16 PM)ken d Wrote: I believe that not getting vaccinated is almost always a bad decision, whether it is due to political ideology or misinformation about the risks.
All four players who tested positive were vaccinated.
Recompute and try again.
Are we ignoring the two unvaccinated players who tested positive to start the whole ordeal, according to Aaron Fitt at D1 Baseball?
“ According to multiple sources, two unvaccinated NC State players tested positive for COVID-19 this week, prompting the NCAA to test the entire roster, including vaccinated players. Four positive tests came back from that round of testing, prompting the no-contest ruling.”
NC State brought this on themselves
RE: NC State gets screwed - XLance - 06-26-2021 02:30 PM
(06-26-2021 12:44 PM)Statefan Wrote: College Life puts you at risk of myocarditis.
CollegeCard - the problem is at a place higher up the food chain than with Avent. Higher up than the AD, Higher up than the Chancellor.
Politics is a nasty business.
It's not about people, it's about power, and everyone below the top is expendable.
RE: NC State gets screwed - colohank - 06-26-2021 02:43 PM
If only they'd followed the advice of the world's greatest expert on everything and innoculated themselves with Clorox. Or maybe exposed themselves to a bright light. Honestly, I can't remember which remedy is supposed to be the most effective.
RE: NC State gets screwed - JRsec - 06-26-2021 02:53 PM
(06-26-2021 02:43 PM)colohank Wrote: If only they'd followed the advice of the world's greatest expert on everything and innoculated themselves with Clorox. Or maybe exposed themselves to a bright light. Honestly, I can't remember which remedy is supposed to be the most effective.
A pint of absolute and you won't care either way. It's medicinal! Unless of course you are lonely in which case they say absinthe makes the heart grow fonder.
RE: NC State gets screwed - colohank - 06-26-2021 03:30 PM
(06-26-2021 02:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:(06-26-2021 02:43 PM)colohank Wrote: If only they'd followed the advice of the world's greatest expert on everything and innoculated themselves with Clorox. Or maybe exposed themselves to a bright light. Honestly, I can't remember which remedy is supposed to be the most effective.
A pint of absolute and you won't care either way. It's medicinal! Unless of course you are lonely in which case they say absinthe makes the heart grow fonder.
Yeah, if you're comparing them to the grocery store variety of Clorox. But what about a fine 25-year-old single malt Clorox?