(05-27-2021 08:13 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  I feel for you guys...I really do. One of the best recent slobberknocker defenses in the AAC, undone by inept coaching.
I know it's not any fun watching a sport when your team isn't very good. Memphis suffered for years and years until its administration took football seriously and sank some money into it.
I hope you don't think I'm condescending...totally not the case here. I genuinely respect the school and its history of good coaches.
I can tell you...I think Temple will get through this...and get the next hire right.

(05-27-2021 10:21 AM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  How much buyout did you get for Diaz coaching for 2 weeks? Buyouts work both ways.

It seems Temple wait till buyout is lowered and then buy him out.

(05-27-2021 12:58 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I don't really understand or agree with the notion that offensive coordinators should be QB or RB coaches first. OL is very complex to coach, and the OL have to understand all the blocking schemes. It's not an easy position to play or coach. There's plenty of guys who have become successful OCs and/or HCs from being the OL coach.

(05-27-2021 09:14 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  i didn't get why they were so offended by being a stepping stone that they went looking for a coach who would hang around a while. at our level we need upwardly mobile coaches. if they do great they'll leave us and hopefully we find another one.

(05-28-2021 12:21 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 09:14 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  i didn't get why they were so offended by being a stepping stone that they went looking for a coach who would hang around a while. at our level we need upwardly mobile coaches. if they do great they'll leave us and hopefully we find another one.

When a coach leaves after two years, and the coach who replaced him lasted about 15 minutes, the student athletes on the team became a bit disenchanted. Stability in the position was a qualifying factor. Will Carey be successful? This year will be telling. Yes they were ravaged by Covid (practice schedules from Hell) and yes the portal left the team with a lot of good players seeking P5 exposure) but Carey did a pretty good job in the portal bringing talent back. This year his coaching chops (or lack thereof) will be on display. I'm will to give the benefit of the doubt.

(05-27-2021 01:01 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  if only Temple had a rich alumni they could turn to for help.

(05-27-2021 09:32 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I'm not sure I falla the OP.

(05-28-2021 02:07 AM)panite Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 12:21 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 09:14 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  i didn't get why they were so offended by being a stepping stone that they went looking for a coach who would hang around a while. at our level we need upwardly mobile coaches. if they do great they'll leave us and hopefully we find another one.

When a coach leaves after two years, and the coach who replaced him lasted about 15 minutes, the student athletes on the team became a bit disenchanted. Stability in the position was a qualifying factor. Will Carey be successful? This year will be telling. Yes they were ravaged by Covid (practice schedules from Hell) and yes the portal left the team with a lot of good players seeking P5 exposure) but Carey did a pretty good job in the portal bringing talent back. This year his coaching chops (or lack thereof) will be on display. I'm will to give the benefit of the doubt.

This ^^^^^^^^.

(05-27-2021 01:03 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  .

How Temple Should Stand as a Warning to the Rest of the AAC

Temple is overpaying on Rod Carey. As a result, they’re stuck between a rock and a hard place that should act as a warning to the rest of the AAC.
By Dan Morrison Mar 25, 2021, 9:00am EDT

EXCERPTS:

"in a move to gain stability (after losing a series of former Head Coaches to P5 teams), Temple offered (former Northern Illinois Head Coach) Rod Carey a massive contract, six years and $2 million annually. The first two seasons had a $10 million buyout. It’s down to $8 million going into his third season. That’s too much for Temple to be able to afford as they slide into the bottom of the conference under Carey..."

"It’s no secret that things are going poorly in Philadelphia. The Temple Owls went 1-6 in Rod Carey’s second season..."

(It had been years since) Temple last had a losing record (in 2013).

...the Owls were getting blown out. By the end of the year, even ECU beat them by four scores.

It’s not that Temple didn’t have any talent(ed players). It’s that they gave up, and seemingly quit on their coach.

Head coach Rod Carey's tenure appears to be trending downwards into a nose dive. It’s a worrying pattern, as he slid Northern Illinois from being an Orange Bowl team to a just above average MAC team.

https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2021/3/25/22348173/how-temple-should-stand-as-a-warning-to-the-rest-of-the-aac-owls-rod-carey-football-coach-hiring

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The former Temple AD who signed Carey to such a lucrative contract should have done his due diligence. If he had, he would have noticed that under Coach Carey, Northern Illinois had one of the nation's least productive offenses in 2017 and 2018, and that Carey's teams had an atrocious 0-6 record in their bowl games).

He should have known the program was in trouble when Carey (who functioned as N. Illinois' HC and Co-Offensive Coordinator decided to bring his highly-inexperienced and ineffective Co-OC with him from Northern Illinois, rather than hiring an experienced, effective OC to start out his tenure at Temple.

Another warning sign should have been the fact that Carey's (a former Offensive Lineman (Center)) and his Co-OC's position specialties were as Offensive Line Coaches, prior to becoming Co-Offensive Coordinators.

Ordinarily, one would hope that a team's Offensive Coordinator would have spent his developmental years as a Quarterback or Running Back Coach, but Temple's offense is run by a couple of former Offensive Line Coaches, and that should tell you just about all you'd want to know about the Temple Owls offense under Coach Carey.

Despite inheriting a team with dozens of talented players, Carey's first Owls team only managed to defeat one team that had a .500+ record.
Miraculously, they became bowl eligible in 2019, thanks to playing seven sub-.500 teams, only to be blown off the field in the 2019 military bowl.

The 2020 Owls finished the 2020 season ranked #116 in the Massey Composite rankings, and were among the 15 lowest scoring teams in the nation.

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The question is this: What can Temple do, since they can't afford to buy out his contract?

The University doesn't have many options, but things are looking so bad at this point that drastic measures might be considered.

One possibility would be to relieve Carey of his duties, let go of his least effective assistants, and assign the role of Head Coach to an aspiring young Coach who would be willing to handle the Head Coach's duties for the amount that a top assistant might ordinarily be paid, around $200,000/year - - which would be considered a fortune by many Americans.

Q: Why would that even be contemplated?

A: It probably wouldn't be contemplated, but while it would be a gamble, if Carey's players keep giving up on him half way through the season, it's possible that almost anyone could do a better job of coaching the team than Carey can.

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