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Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - TIGERCITY - 03-03-2021 09:00 AM
Next up for Memphis .. Houston. The conference tournament.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - OldFan - 03-03-2021 09:05 AM
(03-03-2021 09:02 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: ESPN still has Duke in the field.
ESPN's website doesn't always have Lunardi's latest updates. Follow him on Twitter to get the latest. He now has Duke in First Four Out:
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - TIGERCITY - 03-03-2021 09:08 AM
(03-03-2021 09:02 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: ESPN still has Duke in the field.
Wichita State is in. Duke in the group of first four-out.
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - Tiger1983 - 03-03-2021 09:12 AM
(03-03-2021 09:05 AM)OldFan Wrote:(03-03-2021 09:02 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: ESPN still has Duke in the field.
ESPN's website doesn't always have Lunardi's latest updates. Follow him on Twitter to get the latest. He now has Duke in First Four Out:
Thanks for the update.
Duke is 11-10 and Indiana has a losing record. Neither school has any business being ahead or in the same category of either Memphis or SMU.
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - TIGERCITY - 03-03-2021 09:14 AM
There's a possibility, although a small one, the aac could get four bids. Or get one. Going to be interesting.
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - Cubanbull1 - 03-03-2021 09:32 AM
(03-03-2021 09:14 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: There's a possibility, although a small one, the aac could get four bids. Or get one. Going to be interesting.
Memphis beating Houston would be huge for them. Now the league might be trading more slots for a lower seeding for Houston in the long run.
Getting 4 would be amazing for this year.
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - Foreverandever - 03-03-2021 10:17 AM
(03-03-2021 09:12 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:(03-03-2021 09:05 AM)OldFan Wrote:(03-03-2021 09:02 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: ESPN still has Duke in the field.
ESPN's website doesn't always have Lunardi's latest updates. Follow him on Twitter to get the latest. He now has Duke in First Four Out:
Thanks for the update.
Duke is 11-10 and Indiana has a losing record. Neither school has any business being ahead or in the same category of either Memphis or SMU.
Lunardi is selling clicks right now and Duke and Indiana get clicks. Like the bracket before conference tournaments is when his accuracy will jump.
Memphis has a good chance of making it. SMU won't, hell I think Jank has decided like SMU's women that the men are done and we won't see them back on the floor. Jank and Haith need fired.
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - OldFan - 03-03-2021 10:32 AM
Memphis appeared in ESPN's Bubble Watch for the first time today, joining SMU and Wichita State in "work to do" (Houston is listed as a lock). https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/30864224/ncaa-tournament-bubble-watch-indiana-slumping-bid-make-cut#AAC
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - GoOwls111 - 03-03-2021 10:39 AM
(03-03-2021 09:05 AM)OldFan Wrote:(03-03-2021 09:02 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: ESPN still has Duke in the field.
ESPN's website doesn't always have Lunardi's latest updates. Follow him on Twitter to get the latest. He now has Duke in First Four Out:
Lunardi is not the NCAA Comity... I don't think is all that great at predicting the brackets, according to him the AAC would never had more than 2.
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - TIGERCITY - 03-03-2021 10:45 AM
(03-03-2021 10:39 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:(03-03-2021 09:05 AM)OldFan Wrote:(03-03-2021 09:02 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: ESPN still has Duke in the field.
ESPN's website doesn't always have Lunardi's latest updates. Follow him on Twitter to get the latest. He now has Duke in First Four Out:
Lunardi is not the NCAA Comity... I don't think is all that great at predicting the brackets, according to him the AAC would never had more than 2.
Pomeroy has Memphis at 41
https://kenpom.com/
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - 8BitPirate - 03-03-2021 12:19 PM
No talk of ECU in the tourney? Fake news.
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - Stickboy46 - 03-03-2021 12:20 PM
(03-03-2021 10:45 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:(03-03-2021 10:39 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:(03-03-2021 09:05 AM)OldFan Wrote:(03-03-2021 09:02 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: ESPN still has Duke in the field.
ESPN's website doesn't always have Lunardi's latest updates. Follow him on Twitter to get the latest. He now has Duke in First Four Out:
Lunardi is not the NCAA Comity... I don't think is all that great at predicting the brackets, according to him the AAC would never had more than 2.
Pomeroy has Memphis at 41
https://kenpom.com/
KenPom is 1 of 6 metrics the Committee looks at. Memphis looks pretty good overall in those.
NET 56
KPI 43
SOR (Strength of Record): 72
BPI 44
KP 41
SAG 43
The not so good parts of the resume:
0-2 in Q1
4-5 in Q1/Q2
a Q3 loss
SOS of 134
Average NET win 163
Average NET loss 78
5-5 away from home
For Comparison Sake:
Wichita
NET 66
KPI 35
SOR (Strength of Record): 32
BPI 97
KP 75
SAG 65
2-2 in Q1
4-4 in Q1/Q2
no Q3/Q4 losses
SOS of 21
Average NET win 119
Average NET loss 34
4-2 away from home
SMU
NET 54
KPI 41
SOR (Strength of Record): 44
BPI 43
KP 51
SAG 47
0-3 in Q1
4-3 in Q1/Q2
1 Q3 loss
SOS of 99
Average NET win 163
Average NET loss 46
5-2 away from home
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - bearcatmark - 03-03-2021 01:10 PM
Memphis is the second best team in the conference. WSU has the second best NCAA tournament resume by traditional metrics. WSU also looks even better in SOR/WAB which are metrics I wish the committee would focus on instead of trying to subjectively compare wins/losses vs. the various quads.
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - macgar32 - 03-03-2021 10:13 PM
(03-03-2021 01:10 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: Memphis is the second best team in the conference. WSU has the second best NCAA tournament resume by traditional metrics. WSU also looks even better in SOR/WAB which are metrics I wish the committee would focus on instead of trying to subjectively compare wins/losses vs. the various quads.
How Subjective is a 20 point loss...
But honestly if WSU makes the Tourney final the only way Memphis gets in ahead of WSU is if Memphis beats Houston in the regular season.
If Memphis Loses to Houston in the regular season and beats Houston in the tourney...Well whoever wins the final game between WSU and Memphis gets the AutoQ so it wont matter.
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - Memphis Yankee - 03-03-2021 11:47 PM
I think Memphis and Houston have the most talent, but Houston is easily the better team. If eye test was the only metric, I'd rank the top four....Houston, Memphis, SMU, Wichita State. I'm not taking anything away from SMU or Wichita by putting Memphis ahead of them, but I think Memphis has a higher ceiling. Not much higher but a little higher.
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - jedclampett - 03-04-2021 12:26 AM
(03-03-2021 09:02 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: ESPN still has Duke in the field.
It may be a comfort to note that ESPN is 1 of only 8 bracketologies that have Duke in the NCAA tournament at this point.
The other 126 bracketologies at bracketmatrix.com don't have Duke in.
Moreover, Duke's average seeding in the few bracketologies they appear in is a very low 11.75.
Indiana is in 10 bracketologies, with an average seed of 11.50, and doesn't appear at all in 124 bracketologies.
Both will have to win some conf. tournament games to get into the NCAA.
#9 Duke would play #8 Syracuse, and if they were to beat the Orange, they would then have to play the #1 team (#11 FSU or #21 Virginia).
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - IAH - 03-04-2021 11:42 AM
Best case scenario in my opinion is a Wichita State vs Anyone but Houston final in the AAC tournament, with Wichita losing, that would guarantee Wichita and a third team in.
RE: Bracketology (3/3) Memphis and SMU "next 4 out." - mustangxc - 03-04-2021 11:53 AM
I think if SMU beats Memphis in the final Memphis, Houston, and SMU would get in too. Wichita State might still get in under that scenario by way of being regular season champion of a multi-bid league.