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Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - Hokie4Skins - 03-01-2021 10:54 AM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/30950993/ranking-college-football-top-60-quarterbacks-2000s
60: Kevin Kolb, Houston
59: Andy Dalton, TCU
58: Zach Wilson, BYU
57: Matt Barkley, USC
56: Aaron Rodgers, Cal
55: Todd Reesing, Kansas
54: Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech
53: Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State
52: Joey Harrington, Oregon
51: Keenan Reynolds, Navy
50: Brad Banks, Iowa
49: David Carr, Fresno State
48: Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan
47: Denard Robinson, Michigan
46: Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois
45: Kyle Trask, Florida
44: Eli Manning, Ole Miss
43: Brady Quinn, Notre Dame
42: Eric Crouch, Nebraska
41: Byron Leftwich, Marshall
40: Aaron Murray, Georgia
39: Colt Brennan, Hawaii
38: Collin Klein, Kansas State
37: Alex Smith, Utah
36: Landry Jones, Oklahoma
35: Mac Jones, Alabama
34: Ken Dorsey, Miami
33: Chase Daniel, Missouri
32: Graham Harrell, Texas Tech
31: Troy Smith, Ohio State
30: Jason White, Oklahoma
29: Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
28: Rex Grossman, Florida
27: Justin Fields, Georgia/Ohio State
26: Ben Roethlisberger, Miami (OH)
25: Pat White, West Virginia
24: Russell Wilson, NC State/Wisconsin
23: Jalen Hurts, Alabama/Oklahoma
22: Case Keenum, Houston
21: Carson Palmer, USC
20: Phillip Rivers, NC State
19: Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama
18: Andrew Luck, Stanford
17: Matt Leinart, USC
16: Jameis Winston, Florida State
15: Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
14: Kellen Moore, Boise State
13: Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
12: Colt McCoy, Texas
11: Trevor Lawrence, Clemson
10: Robert Griffin III, Baylor
9: Marcus Mariota, Oregon
8: Lamar Jackson, Louisville
7: Kyler Murray, Texas A&M/Oklahoma
6: Deshaun Watson, Clemson
5: Joe Burrow, Ohio State/LSU
4: Tim Tebow, Florida
3: Vince Young, Texas
2: Cam Newton, Auburn
1: Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - quo vadis - 03-01-2021 11:48 AM
(03-01-2021 10:54 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: 5: Joe Burrow, Ohio State/LSU
4: Tim Tebow, Florida
3: Vince Young, Texas
2: Cam Newton, Auburn
1: Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
I would have Burrow as the top "one year" guy, over Cam, and I would have Mayfield, Tebow, Young and Watson ahead of both of them, as they all had "careers".
My top four would be Young #1, Tebow #2, Watson #3, Baker #4. I like the guys who played for and won national titles.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - Hokie4Skins - 03-01-2021 02:41 PM
Winston seems too low at #16. He won a NC, a Heisman and never lost a regular season game.
Also, no JT Barrett?!
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - ken d - 03-01-2021 02:57 PM
Of the 60, 12 are from schools outside the P5. That's 20%. It's amazing what having a transcendent QB can do for a college team. Unfortunately, when those guys graduate to the pros, there rarely is a replacement of near equal talent, and the G5 team slips back into mediocrity pretty fast.
We just saw North Dakota State get walloped by Southern Illinois. How soon will it be when talk of the Bison moving up to FBS fades away?
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - quo vadis - 03-01-2021 05:07 PM
(03-01-2021 02:41 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: Winston seems too low at #16. He won a NC, a Heisman and never lost a regular season game.
I agree with that even though I disliked him. On the merits, Winston should be right up there with Cam, Vince and DeShaun. That's pretty baffling. And I'm baffled as to how I missed that, LOL.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - WhoseHouse? - 03-01-2021 05:34 PM
Aye! UH represent. Kolb sneaking in at #60 and Case just outside the top 20. Not too shabby!
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - ken d - 03-01-2021 06:11 PM
I'm surprised by how low Andy Dalton is ranked. He took TCU to the brink of national championship contention. Maybe he just wasn't flashy enough.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - Wedge - 03-01-2021 06:17 PM
(03-01-2021 11:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:(03-01-2021 10:54 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: 5: Joe Burrow, Ohio State/LSU
4: Tim Tebow, Florida
3: Vince Young, Texas
2: Cam Newton, Auburn
1: Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
I would have Burrow as the top "one year" guy, over Cam, and I would have Mayfield, Tebow, Young and Watson ahead of both of them, as they all had "careers".
My top four would be Young #1, Tebow #2, Watson #3, Baker #4. I like the guys who played for and won national titles.
Then what you have is a list of QBs who were fortunate to play on teams that were good enough to compete for a BCS or CFP title.
If it's really a list of the best college QBs, then Lamar Jackson belongs ahead of at least Tebow on the list. As it is, the ESPN guy's list overweights team results in ranking QBs.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - bullet - 03-01-2021 10:32 PM
(03-01-2021 11:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:(03-01-2021 10:54 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: 5: Joe Burrow, Ohio State/LSU
4: Tim Tebow, Florida
3: Vince Young, Texas
2: Cam Newton, Auburn
1: Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
I would have Burrow as the top "one year" guy, over Cam, and I would have Mayfield, Tebow, Young and Watson ahead of both of them, as they all had "careers".
My top four would be Young #1, Tebow #2, Watson #3, Baker #4. I like the guys who played for and won national titles.
Hard to figure out how to rank Burrow given his limited playing time. But he had arguably the best single year.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - bullet - 03-01-2021 10:38 PM
Overall it would be:
1. Vince Young
2. Cam Newton
They could change a game by themselves. Don't really have a problem with the top dozen other than Tebow. I would not put him that high.
The rest other than Vince and Newton from Colt to Mayfield are pretty interchangeable in the rankings.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - quo vadis - 03-02-2021 08:44 AM
(03-01-2021 06:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:(03-01-2021 11:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:(03-01-2021 10:54 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: 5: Joe Burrow, Ohio State/LSU
4: Tim Tebow, Florida
3: Vince Young, Texas
2: Cam Newton, Auburn
1: Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
I would have Burrow as the top "one year" guy, over Cam, and I would have Mayfield, Tebow, Young and Watson ahead of both of them, as they all had "careers".
My top four would be Young #1, Tebow #2, Watson #3, Baker #4. I like the guys who played for and won national titles.
Then what you have is a list of QBs who were fortunate to play on teams that were good enough to compete for a BCS or CFP title.
If it's really a list of the best college QBs, then Lamar Jackson belongs ahead of at least Tebow on the list. As it is, the ESPN guy's list overweights team results in ranking QBs.
Eh, I think in all of the cases I mentioned the QB was instrumental in how good the teams were.
As for Lamar, he definitely belongs high on the list, though IMO not ahead of Tebow. Tebow was really awesome at Florida.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - quo vadis - 03-02-2021 08:47 AM
(03-01-2021 10:32 PM)bullet Wrote:(03-01-2021 11:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:(03-01-2021 10:54 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: 5: Joe Burrow, Ohio State/LSU
4: Tim Tebow, Florida
3: Vince Young, Texas
2: Cam Newton, Auburn
1: Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
I would have Burrow as the top "one year" guy, over Cam, and I would have Mayfield, Tebow, Young and Watson ahead of both of them, as they all had "careers".
My top four would be Young #1, Tebow #2, Watson #3, Baker #4. I like the guys who played for and won national titles.
Hard to figure out how to rank Burrow given his limited playing time. But he had arguably the best single year.
I don't think there's any doubt Burrow had the best single year. His year was insane. I mean, in 2017 Baker Mayfield's year was insane, and in 2019 Burrow threw for a thousand more yards and 17 more TDs than him.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - Wedge - 03-02-2021 02:15 PM
(03-01-2021 10:38 PM)bullet Wrote: Overall it would be:
1. Vince Young
2. Cam Newton
They could change a game by themselves. Don't really have a problem with the top dozen other than Tebow. I would not put him that high.
The rest other than Vince and Newton from Colt to Mayfield are pretty interchangeable in the rankings.
That's it. Texas won their title because they had VY, and Auburn won theirs because they had Newton. But Florida's title in 2008? Yes, Tebow played well, but the team was absolutely loaded and would have won the title with any of a dozen other top QBs from that season.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - quo vadis - 03-02-2021 02:34 PM
(03-02-2021 02:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:(03-01-2021 10:38 PM)bullet Wrote: Overall it would be:
1. Vince Young
2. Cam Newton
They could change a game by themselves. Don't really have a problem with the top dozen other than Tebow. I would not put him that high.
The rest other than Vince and Newton from Colt to Mayfield are pretty interchangeable in the rankings.
That's it. Texas won their title because they had VY, and Auburn won theirs because they had Newton. But Florida's title in 2008? Yes, Tebow played well, but the team was absolutely loaded and would have won the title with any of a dozen other top QBs from that season.
Aw come on. Texas and Auburn aren't Iowa State and Colorado State, they are always talented. Heck, in the 2010 national title game, Cam only put up 20 points. The Auburn defense, which held Oregon's 50 PPG offense to just 19 points, won that game not Cam.
Tebow was the MVP of the 2008 BCS title game, Cam wasn't the MVP of his title game.
Don't get me wrong - Cam was awesome in 2010, one of the great seasons ever. But Tebow was pretty awesome too, and for more years.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - esayem - 03-02-2021 03:31 PM
Lots of recency bias in the top 10. Leinart and Dorsey should be higher. Crouch too.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - quo vadis - 03-02-2021 04:42 PM
(03-02-2021 03:31 PM)esayem Wrote: Lots of recency bias in the top 10. Leinart and Dorsey should be higher. Crouch too.
Leinart was spectacular. But I think the Bush scandal tarnishes those USC teams in the media eye.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - GeminiCoog - 03-03-2021 08:00 PM
(03-02-2021 04:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(03-02-2021 03:31 PM)esayem Wrote: Lots of recency bias in the top 10. Leinart and Dorsey should be higher. Crouch too.
Leinart was spectacular. But I think the Bush scandal tarnishes those USC teams in the media eye.
Agreed. Take away that scandal, and suddenly, Leinart’s career has more luster to it.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - quo vadis - 03-03-2021 09:59 PM
(03-03-2021 08:00 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:(03-02-2021 04:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(03-02-2021 03:31 PM)esayem Wrote: Lots of recency bias in the top 10. Leinart and Dorsey should be higher. Crouch too.
Leinart was spectacular. But I think the Bush scandal tarnishes those USC teams in the media eye.
Agreed. Take away that scandal, and suddenly, Leinart’s career has more luster to it.
On accomplishments, Leinart is arguably the best of the lot. The three years he QB'd USC, they finished AP #1, #1 and #2. He's the only QB this century to truly lead his team to at least a share of two national titles as opposed to just being on the roster for them.
His overall record as a QB was 37-2, and the two games he lost was a 34-31 game to Aaron Rodgers and Cal in triple overtime in 2003 and of course the 2005 national title game to Texas. Both games were as close as can be.
Even Alabama and Clemson of recent years have never gone three straight seasons with a total of only two losses. And Leinart was great all three years.
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - GeminiCoog - 03-04-2021 02:32 AM
(03-03-2021 09:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(03-03-2021 08:00 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:(03-02-2021 04:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(03-02-2021 03:31 PM)esayem Wrote: Lots of recency bias in the top 10. Leinart and Dorsey should be higher. Crouch too.
Leinart was spectacular. But I think the Bush scandal tarnishes those USC teams in the media eye.
Agreed. Take away that scandal, and suddenly, Leinart’s career has more luster to it.
On accomplishments, Leinart is arguably the best of the lot. The three years he QB'd USC, they finished AP #1, #1 and #2. He's the only QB this century to truly lead his team to at least a share of two national titles as opposed to just being on the roster for them.
His overall record as a QB was 37-2, and the two games he lost was a 34-31 game to Aaron Rodgers and Cal in triple overtime in 2003 and of course the 2005 national title game to Texas. Both games were as close as can be.
Even Alabama and Clemson of recent years have never gone three straight seasons with a total of only two losses. And Leinart was great all three years.
And he went 3-0 against Notre Dame's Brady Quinn (the number 43 QB on the list), which includes the 2005 edition of the Battle for the Jeweled Shillelagh in South Bend. This is the game where the now Fox Sports colleagues went back and forth until Leinart scored the game-winning touchdown with less than a minute left in the game...with a little help from a certain stripped Heisman Trophy winner. The game's a real classic. (I remember the game well because it was during the time I was a big Notre Dame fan. I still like them, but not as much as I used to.)
RE: Top 60 QBs of the 2000s - quo vadis - 03-04-2021 10:53 AM
(03-04-2021 02:32 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:(03-03-2021 09:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(03-03-2021 08:00 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:(03-02-2021 04:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(03-02-2021 03:31 PM)esayem Wrote: Lots of recency bias in the top 10. Leinart and Dorsey should be higher. Crouch too.
Leinart was spectacular. But I think the Bush scandal tarnishes those USC teams in the media eye.
Agreed. Take away that scandal, and suddenly, Leinart’s career has more luster to it.
On accomplishments, Leinart is arguably the best of the lot. The three years he QB'd USC, they finished AP #1, #1 and #2. He's the only QB this century to truly lead his team to at least a share of two national titles as opposed to just being on the roster for them.
His overall record as a QB was 37-2, and the two games he lost was a 34-31 game to Aaron Rodgers and Cal in triple overtime in 2003 and of course the 2005 national title game to Texas. Both games were as close as can be.
Even Alabama and Clemson of recent years have never gone three straight seasons with a total of only two losses. And Leinart was great all three years.
And he went 3-0 against Notre Dame's Brady Quinn (the number 43 QB on the list), which includes the 2005 edition of the Battle for the Jeweled Shillelagh in South Bend. This is the game where the now Fox Sports colleagues went back and forth until Leinart scored the game-winning touchdown with less than a minute left in the game...with a little help from a certain stripped Heisman Trophy winner. The game's a real classic. (I remember the game well because it was during the time I was a big Notre Dame fan. I still like them, but not as much as I used to.)
Yes, that's another point about Leinart - he figured prominently in some epic games. The national title game vs Texas and the "Bush Push" game vs Notre Dame are arguably the two most famous college football games of the 2000s. They certainly would be in the top 10.