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CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - Magic95Fan - 01-18-2021 08:44 AM
For us, an impressive 4 teams in the Top 100.
67 UAB
86 Marshall
88 Western Kentucky
98 North Texas
123 Louisiana Tech
144 Charlotte
153 Old Dominion
167 UTEP
175 Rice
204 Florida Atlantic
242 Southern Miss
244 FIU
277 UTSA
306 Middle Tennessee
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - rileylives - 01-18-2021 09:29 AM
(01-18-2021 08:44 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote: For us, an impressive 4 teams in the Top 100.
67 UAB
86 Marshall
88 Western Kentucky
98 North Texas
123 Louisiana Tech
144 Charlotte
153 Old Dominion
167 UTEP
175 Rice
204 Florida Atlantic
242 Southern Miss
244 FIU
277 UTSA
306 Middle Tennessee
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
I am shocked WKU didn't leap passed Marshall by a good bit after taking the 2x this week.
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - Green Menace - 01-18-2021 09:56 AM
A little surprised La Tech isn't ranked higher.
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - Magic95Fan - 01-18-2021 12:05 PM
(01-18-2021 09:56 AM)Green Menace Wrote: A little surprised La Tech isn't ranked higher.
Despite winning both games, just playing UTSA caused Tech to fall. We took a devastating fall after our series with the Runners too. Playing Middle is even worse for your ranking, even if you win.
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - Side.Show.Joe - 01-18-2021 01:06 PM
(01-18-2021 09:56 AM)Green Menace Wrote: A little surprised La Tech isn't ranked higher.
I totally agree. LT should be higher. They had a great season last year and may be even better this season.
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - Hilltopper413 - 01-18-2021 02:01 PM
(01-18-2021 09:29 AM)rileylives Wrote:If WKU keeps winning our ranking will trend closer to where we probably should be. Right now margin of victory/defeat is a giant anchor on WKU’s NET. Too many close victories when margin should have been 10+ combined with the absolute turd of a 2nd half at Louisville has tied WKU down. Choking one away at Charlotte certainly isn’t helping either.(01-18-2021 08:44 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote: For us, an impressive 4 teams in the Top 100.
67 UAB
86 Marshall
88 Western Kentucky
98 North Texas
123 Louisiana Tech
144 Charlotte
153 Old Dominion
167 UTEP
175 Rice
204 Florida Atlantic
242 Southern Miss
244 FIU
277 UTSA
306 Middle Tennessee
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
I am shocked WKU didn't leap passed Marshall by a good bit after taking the 2x this week.
Wins
18 (away)
66
86 (away)
86
105 (neutral)
123
144 (away)
192
208 (neutral)
318
347
Losses
26 (neutral)
37 (away)
123
144 (away)
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - DogsWin1 - 01-18-2021 03:01 PM
What hurts C-USA is that there isn't much dropoff between the #1/2 teams and the #13/14 teams. For example, UTSA has the worst conference record in C-USA, but they likely have the best pure shooter in the league in Jackson. We had our best defender superglued to his hip this weekend for every minute of the game (since he RIPPED US last year) and Jackson was still knocking down shots in which he literally could not see the rim and net. These were "nothing but net" shots too!
If C-USA had 3 or 4 clearly elite teams it would help us to get a second team into the NCAA tourney as an at-large. However, the top teams ALL wind up losing a couple of C-USA games in which they were favored so "poof- you are out".
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - TOPSTRAIGHT - 01-18-2021 03:38 PM
These rankings are a contrived joke. Simply a method by the P5$ to keep schools from at large bids and at lower seeds and everybody(even many well respected BB writers) know it.
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - WKUFan518 - 01-18-2021 03:47 PM
I miss RPI where we are currently ranked 39th. You can see clearly what the NET was designed to do..
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - mturn017 - 01-18-2021 03:57 PM
At least with RPI the formula was known so a mid major team or conference could make moves to try to improve their ranking.
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - WKUYG - 01-18-2021 04:22 PM
To me it looks like wins and running up the score is the most important thing and you need both to move up
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - rileylives - 01-18-2021 11:09 PM
(01-18-2021 03:47 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote: I miss RPI where we are currently ranked 39th. You can see clearly what the NET was designed to do..
Agreed
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - rileylives - 01-18-2021 11:11 PM
(01-18-2021 04:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote: To me it looks like wins and running up the score is the most important thing and you need both to move up
So looks like scheduling cupcakes in OOC, and running up the score on them is the way to build NET.
Super flawed.
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - herdfan129 - 01-18-2021 11:40 PM
(01-18-2021 11:11 PM)rileylives Wrote:(01-18-2021 04:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote: To me it looks like wins and running up the score is the most important thing and you need both to move up
So looks like scheduling cupcakes in OOC, and running up the score on them is the way to build NET.
Super flawed.
I honestly don't care. It is what it is. We just need to formulate a plan as a conference and work together to improve our NET. If that means scheduling a bunch of terrible D1 teams OOC and running up the score then so be it. If we have 10 teams in our conference doing that, then we will have more of the Tier 1 & 2 in conference games throughout the year.
We need to game the system as much as possible. It is absolutely imperative that we start getting two bids to the NCAA tournament every year. If we can do that then it's worth it to have 14 teams. The current 1 bid for 14 teams isn't cutting it though.
EDIT: This might actually help us if we are smart and schedule specifically for this. UAB is currently 68th. They are 2-2 in Quad 3 games and 7-0 in Quad 4 games.
We, as a conference, can definitely schedule Quad 3 and 4 games OOC. We should also be able to win most of those games as this conference is actually a pretty good basketball conference.
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - rileylives - 01-19-2021 10:30 AM
(01-18-2021 11:40 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:(01-18-2021 11:11 PM)rileylives Wrote:(01-18-2021 04:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote: To me it looks like wins and running up the score is the most important thing and you need both to move up
So looks like scheduling cupcakes in OOC, and running up the score on them is the way to build NET.
Super flawed.
I honestly don't care. It is what it is. We just need to formulate a plan as a conference and work together to improve our NET. If that means scheduling a bunch of terrible D1 teams OOC and running up the score then so be it. If we have 10 teams in our conference doing that, then we will have more of the Tier 1 & 2 in conference games throughout the year.
We need to game the system as much as possible. It is absolutely imperative that we start getting two bids to the NCAA tournament every year. If we can do that then it's worth it to have 14 teams. The current 1 bid for 14 teams isn't cutting it though.
EDIT: This might actually help us if we are smart and schedule specifically for this. UAB is currently 68th. They are 2-2 in Quad 3 games and 7-0 in Quad 4 games.
We, as a conference, can definitely schedule Quad 3 and 4 games OOC. We should also be able to win most of those games as this conference is actually a pretty good basketball conference.
It matters when the powers that be keep moving the sticks to pad their chance of NCAA inclusion.
There is no way CUSA can earn two bids under this format. A .500 record ACC will always get preferential treatment over us. Taking them down out of conference may not be the best "on paper" scheduling move according to this NET ranking system, however, padding our schedule with cupcakes leaves us vunerable to the criticism of "who have they played."
It's a really confusing situation.
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - rileylives - 01-19-2021 10:31 AM
The RPI is much better at predicting success IMHO.
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - mturn017 - 01-19-2021 11:10 AM
(01-18-2021 11:40 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:(01-18-2021 11:11 PM)rileylives Wrote:(01-18-2021 04:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote: To me it looks like wins and running up the score is the most important thing and you need both to move up
So looks like scheduling cupcakes in OOC, and running up the score on them is the way to build NET.
Super flawed.
I honestly don't care. It is what it is. We just need to formulate a plan as a conference and work together to improve our NET. If that means scheduling a bunch of terrible D1 teams OOC and running up the score then so be it. If we have 10 teams in our conference doing that, then we will have more of the Tier 1 & 2 in conference games throughout the year.
We need to game the system as much as possible. It is absolutely imperative that we start getting two bids to the NCAA tournament every year. If we can do that then it's worth it to have 14 teams. The current 1 bid for 14 teams isn't cutting it though.
EDIT: This might actually help us if we are smart and schedule specifically for this. UAB is currently 68th. They are 2-2 in Quad 3 games and 7-0 in Quad 4 games.
We, as a conference, can definitely schedule Quad 3 and 4 games OOC. We should also be able to win most of those games as this conference is actually a pretty good basketball conference.
Then nobody would have any quality wins. If you don't play and beat any tournament caliber teams then you're not going to get an at large berth regardless of NET or RPI. The P5 can schedule cupcakes, win and blow them out in OOC because they're playing in some cases 20 conference games.
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - herdfan129 - 01-19-2021 11:14 AM
(01-19-2021 11:10 AM)mturn017 Wrote:(01-18-2021 11:40 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:(01-18-2021 11:11 PM)rileylives Wrote:(01-18-2021 04:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote: To me it looks like wins and running up the score is the most important thing and you need both to move up
So looks like scheduling cupcakes in OOC, and running up the score on them is the way to build NET.
Super flawed.
I honestly don't care. It is what it is. We just need to formulate a plan as a conference and work together to improve our NET. If that means scheduling a bunch of terrible D1 teams OOC and running up the score then so be it. If we have 10 teams in our conference doing that, then we will have more of the Tier 1 & 2 in conference games throughout the year.
We need to game the system as much as possible. It is absolutely imperative that we start getting two bids to the NCAA tournament every year. If we can do that then it's worth it to have 14 teams. The current 1 bid for 14 teams isn't cutting it though.
EDIT: This might actually help us if we are smart and schedule specifically for this. UAB is currently 68th. They are 2-2 in Quad 3 games and 7-0 in Quad 4 games.
We, as a conference, can definitely schedule Quad 3 and 4 games OOC. We should also be able to win most of those games as this conference is actually a pretty good basketball conference.
Then nobody would have any quality wins. If you don't play and beat any tournament caliber teams then you're not going to get an at large berth regardless of NET or RPI. The P5 can schedule cupcakes, win and blow them out in OOC because they're playing in some cases 20 conference games.
If most of us play cupcakes OOC and win big, thus increasing our NET ranking.....wouldn't we then have "quality" wins in conference against each other?
What am I missing?
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - blazers9911 - 01-19-2021 12:01 PM
The eye test that would then come into play.
RE: CUSA NET Rankings- January 18th - Eagleyed - 01-19-2021 12:45 PM
A few things to point out about NET rankings
-After 10 points the margin of victory no longer matters.
-playing nothing but cupcakes will hurt your Net Rankings as it takes into large consideration sos.
-The committee never cared much about rpi so saying this is designed to hurt the small guys doesn't matter as rpi never helped us. I remember in 2013 USM had an rpi of 32 and teams with rpis of around 60 got in over us. I'm pretty sure we aren't even the worst example.
-Net rankings are better at predicting who wins and who loses.
The committee never really cared about rpi anyway so not sure how this really hurts and I like how NET gives a lot more weight to road wins. Which we play a lot of the heavyweights on the road which helps us when we win.