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2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - olddawg - 03-18-2020 10:47 AM
Truly the dark ages of JMU hoops:
https://dustindopirak.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/the-rise-the-fall-the-rebirth-part-6-lots-of-losses-but-still-hope/
RE: 2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - JMURocks - 03-18-2020 11:00 AM
The sad thing reading this was not only how much they believed in Keener, but that Doherty was the “superstar” top coach they wanted to hire. His record was not good at FAU and SMU.
In other words, there was no great plan that just fell short. Plan A was every bit as awful as plan B turned out.
RE: 2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - BSKB 24 - 03-18-2020 02:09 PM
I liked Dean Keener. If you read the article you are reminded of the players he brought in that ultimately became some pretty solid players after Dean was gone. Brady got the reward for inheriting Pierre Curtis, et al. I sent my grandsons to Dean's summer camps and was extremely impressed with his teaching. I think he inherited a completely bare cupboard and struggled to turn it around quickly. I truly believe in time he would have.
RE: 2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - Bawlmer Duke - 03-18-2020 02:09 PM
My memory of Dustin Dopirak was that he was very good.
Jalloh got hurt right?
RE: 2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - KickItToScotty - 03-18-2020 03:43 PM
(03-18-2020 02:09 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote: I liked Dean Keener. If you read the article you are reminded of the players he brought in that ultimately became some pretty solid players after Dean was gone. Brady got the reward for inheriting Pierre Curtis, et al. I sent my grandsons to Dean's summer camps and was extremely impressed with his teaching. I think he inherited a completely bare cupboard and struggled to turn it around quickly. I truly believe in time he would have.
If I remember correctly(I was pretty young though) he had just ridiculously bad luck with injuries didn't he? Obviously at some point you've gotta move on instead of going "well so and so was injured for most of the year so we're gonna stick with it" but if I'm thinking right the injuries were a lot to deal with. Of course like I said I was pretty young, might remember it that way just because of being a young and optimistic fan making excuses for JMU.
RE: 2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - Yesolitis - 03-19-2020 03:38 AM
Correct on the injuries. It was unreal.
RE: 2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - Dukester - 03-19-2020 01:38 PM
(03-18-2020 03:43 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:(03-18-2020 02:09 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote: I liked Dean Keener. If you read the article you are reminded of the players he brought in that ultimately became some pretty solid players after Dean was gone. Brady got the reward for inheriting Pierre Curtis, et al. I sent my grandsons to Dean's summer camps and was extremely impressed with his teaching. I think he inherited a completely bare cupboard and struggled to turn it around quickly. I truly believe in time he would have.
If I remember correctly(I was pretty young though) he had just ridiculously bad luck with injuries didn't he? Obviously at some point you've gotta move on instead of going "well so and so was injured for most of the year so we're gonna stick with it" but if I'm thinking right the injuries were a lot to deal with. Of course like I said I was pretty young, might remember it that way just because of being a young and optimistic fan making excuses for JMU.
I don't recall injuries being that much of a problem, but perhaps I'm just forgetting part of a rough era.
RE: 2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - JMad03 - 03-19-2020 04:12 PM
(03-19-2020 01:38 PM)Dukester Wrote:(03-18-2020 03:43 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:(03-18-2020 02:09 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote: I liked Dean Keener. If you read the article you are reminded of the players he brought in that ultimately became some pretty solid players after Dean was gone. Brady got the reward for inheriting Pierre Curtis, et al. I sent my grandsons to Dean's summer camps and was extremely impressed with his teaching. I think he inherited a completely bare cupboard and struggled to turn it around quickly. I truly believe in time he would have.
If I remember correctly(I was pretty young though) he had just ridiculously bad luck with injuries didn't he? Obviously at some point you've gotta move on instead of going "well so and so was injured for most of the year so we're gonna stick with it" but if I'm thinking right the injuries were a lot to deal with. Of course like I said I was pretty young, might remember it that way just because of being a young and optimistic fan making excuses for JMU.
I don't recall injuries being that much of a problem, but perhaps I'm just forgetting part of a rough era.
I remember injuries being a pretty big deal. I'm pretty sure every year one of the key players would go down with an injury at some point.
RE: 2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - olddawg - 03-19-2020 04:50 PM
(03-19-2020 04:12 PM)JMad03 Wrote:(03-19-2020 01:38 PM)Dukester Wrote:(03-18-2020 03:43 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:(03-18-2020 02:09 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote: I liked Dean Keener. If you read the article you are reminded of the players he brought in that ultimately became some pretty solid players after Dean was gone. Brady got the reward for inheriting Pierre Curtis, et al. I sent my grandsons to Dean's summer camps and was extremely impressed with his teaching. I think he inherited a completely bare cupboard and struggled to turn it around quickly. I truly believe in time he would have.
If I remember correctly(I was pretty young though) he had just ridiculously bad luck with injuries didn't he? Obviously at some point you've gotta move on instead of going "well so and so was injured for most of the year so we're gonna stick with it" but if I'm thinking right the injuries were a lot to deal with. Of course like I said I was pretty young, might remember it that way just because of being a young and optimistic fan making excuses for JMU.
I don't recall injuries being that much of a problem, but perhaps I'm just forgetting part of a rough era.
I remember injuries being a pretty big deal. I'm pretty sure every year one of the key players would go down with an injury at some point.
I remember most of the players being subpar for the CAA and thinking none was noticeably better than another. Maybe that's why I don't remember a key player going down.
RE: 2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - Hart Foundation - 03-19-2020 09:06 PM
The rash of major injuries/medical conditions were in Brady’s tenure, not Keener’s.
2009 Leading scorer from previous year guard Abdulai Jalloh missed all but 6 games shoulder surgery
2009 best player PF Juwan James missed 1/3 of games and then was on minutes restriction for heart problem. JMU still has its first winning season at 21-15 after 8 straight losing seasons
2010 starting PG Devon Moore misses whole season. Torn ACL.
2010 starting forward Andrey Semenov only plays 4 games. Back injury. JMU goes 13-20
2011 no major health problems JMU goes 21-12
2012 starting PF Rayshawn Goins misses whole season. Shoulder surgery. JMU goes 12-20
2013 starting forward Andrey Semenov misses all but 7 games. Ankle injury. JMU still goes to the NCAA tourney for the first time since 1994.
2014 no major health issues. This was the Andre Nation implosion year. JMU goes 11-20
2015 no major health issues. JMU goes 19-14 and ties for 1st in the CAA.
2016 no major health issues. JMU goes 21-11.
I think Keener had a recruit that never played due to a heart ailment, but there was no telling if he would have been any good. And he had a few smaller role players that missed parts of seasons like Coop and Kosseckpa due to balky knees. Maybe I’m missing somebody, but I don’t remember any major health issues to key players in his 4 years.
RE: 2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - Longhorn - 03-19-2020 09:25 PM
(03-19-2020 09:06 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote: The rash of major injuries/medical conditions were in Brady’s tenure, not Keener’s.
2009 Leading scorer from previous year guard Abdulai Jalloh missed all but 6 games shoulder surgery
2009 best player PF Juwan James missed 1/3 of games and then was on minutes restriction for heart problem. JMU still has its first winning season at 21-15 after 8 straight losing seasons
2010 starting PG Devon Moore misses whole season. Torn ACL.
2010 starting forward Andrey Semenov only plays 4 games. Back injury. JMU goes 13-20
2011 no major health problems JMU goes 21-12
2012 starting PF Rayshawn Goins misses whole season. Shoulder surgery. JMU goes 12-20
2013 starting forward Andrey Semenov misses all but 7 games. Ankle injury. JMU still goes to the NCAA tourney for the first time since 1994.
2014 no major health issues. This was the Andre Nation implosion year. JMU goes 11-20
2015 no major health issues. JMU goes 19-14 and ties for 1st in the CAA.
2016 no major health issues. JMU goes 21-11.
I think Keener had a recruit that never played due to a heart ailment, but there was no telling if he would have been any good. And he had a few smaller role players that missed parts of seasons like Coop and Kosseckpa due to balky knees. Maybe I’m missing somebody, but I don’t remember any major health issues to key players in his 4 years.
Thank you. Your accounting matches my recollection. I don’t know where the idea Keener’s teams suffered from injuries to major players. The rash of injuries were to MB teams. Keener was just a lousy coach. Maybe he’s better at selling insurance.
RE: 2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - olddawg - 03-19-2020 11:23 PM
(03-19-2020 08:19 PM)Grammar Police Wrote:(03-19-2020 04:50 PM)olddawg Wrote: I remember most of the players being subpar for the CAA and thinking none was noticeably better than another. Maybe that's why I don't remember a key player going down.
Grammar Police is disappointed in you, olddawg. This is subject-verb disagreement.
Please revise and resubmit.
Sorry GP. The online checkers can find no fault w/ my grammar.
https://www.grammarly.com/grammar-check
The Jesuits can still claim me as one of their graduates.
RE: 2011 DNR article on the Keener Years - NC Tribe - 03-20-2020 08:00 AM
Bad luck with injuries is sometimes more than just "bad luck."
Davidson has a good hoops program, but has suffered from a run of injuries over the last 7 or so seasons.
The Cats have recruited players and stayed with them when they got injured in high school. Some had good careers, others showed flashes but then kept getting injured.
They would have missed out a few gems had they been more conservative in backing away from players with high school injury issues.
Having said that, a program's strength and conditioning program plays a role in preventing injuries as well. But i have never seen anyone say how you prevent torn ACLs and Davidson seems to have at least one every season. Its almost like major league pitching staffs and the number of players who have had Tommy John surgery.