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What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - BePcr07 - 01-20-2020 11:18 AM
This is just for fun.
But what if college football went to three subdivisions?
How would you do it? Would it be based on money, history or both? Would numerical equality matter to you?
I have a couple configurations but I'll lay out just one below.
Level I
PAC
West: California, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington St
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas St, Texas Tech, UCLA, USC
B1G
West: Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
East: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue
SEC
West: Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas A&M
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Tennessee
ACC
North: Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina St, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami FL, North Carolina, Virginia
Metro
North: Army, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
South: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis, South Florida, Tulane
MWC
West: Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego St
East: Air Force, Baylor, Houston, Navy, SMU, TCU, Tulsa
IND: Notre Dame
Level II
Big Sky
West: Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, Idaho, Northern Arizona, UC Davis, UNLV, Sacramento St, San Jose St
East: Montana, Montana St, New Mexico, Utah St, UTEP, UTSA, Weber St, Wyoming
Southland
West: Lamar, New Mexico St, North Texas, Rice, Sam Houston St, Stephen F. Austin St, Texas St
East: Louisiana Tech, McNeese St, Nicholls St, Northwestern St, Southeastern Louisiana, UL Lafayette, UL Monroe
Sun Belt
North: Appalachian St, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, Liberty, Old Dominion
South: Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Jacksonville St, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB
MVC
West: Illinois St, North Dakota, North Dakota St, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, South Dakota, South Dakota St, Western Illinois
East: Arkansas St, Ball St, Central Arkansas, Eastern Illinois, Indiana St, Missouri St, Southeast Missouri St, Southern Illinois
MAC
North: Akron, Bowling Green St, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent St, Toledo, Western Michigan
South: Eastern Kentucky, Marshall, Miami OH, Middle Tennessee St, Ohio, Western Kentucky, Youngstown St
CAA
North: Albany, Buffalo, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
South: Delaware, Georgetown, James Madison, Richmond, Stony Brook, Towson, Villanova
Level III
Ivy: Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale
Patriot: Bucknell, Colgate, Duquesne, Fordham, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, William & Mary
SWAC: Alabama A&M, Alabama St, Alcorn St, Grambling St, Jackson St, Mississippi Valley St, Prairie View A&M, Southern, Texas Southern, UAPB
MEAC: Bethune-Cookman, Delaware St, Florida A&M, Hampton, Howard, Morgan St, Norfolk St, North Carolina A&T, North Carolina Central, South Carolina St
SOCON: Campbell, Chattanooga, The Citadel, Davidson, East Tennessee St, Elon, Gardner-Webb, Tennessee St, Tennessee Tech, VMI, Western Carolina
Big South: Charleston Southern, Furman, Kennesaw St, Mercer, North Alabama, Presbyterian, Samford, Stetson, Wofford
OVC: Austin Peay St, Butler, Dayton, Drake, Morehead St, Murray St, St. Thomas, UT Martin, Valparaiso
NEC: Bryant, Central Connecticut St, Long Island, Marist, Merrimack, Monmouth, Robert Morris, Sacred Heart, St. Francis PA, Wagner
WAC: Abilene Christian, Dixie St, Houston Baptist, Idaho St, Incarnate Word, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, Portland St, San Diego, Southern Utah, Tarleton St
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - mturn017 - 01-20-2020 11:29 AM
If it happens I would expect the top level to contract instead of expand & the next level would bring some up from FCS but not as many as you suggest
What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - panama - 01-20-2020 11:36 AM
What's fun about this?
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RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - BePcr07 - 01-20-2020 12:13 PM
(01-20-2020 11:36 AM)panama Wrote: What's fun about this?
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Fun is subjective so it may be fun for 99% of people and not you OR just me and no one else. Who cares?
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - Mav - 01-20-2020 12:27 PM
The old Big 8 splintered 3 ways?
La Tech, Rice, and Southern Miss demoted while Tulane and Tulsa stay up?
Navy's closest conference mate in Oklahoma?
Those huge D-1B conferences?
It needs a little work.
As for how I'd do it, it'd be history, resources, proximity, and institutional fit. The game's better with rivals and like-minded schools together.
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - ken d - 01-20-2020 12:41 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing the FBS split into three subdivisions, with 40-45 schools in each. In my mind, there would be clear distinctions in talent levels, resources and fan support between all three such groups, but little difference within each group.
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - utpotts - 01-20-2020 12:59 PM
This is as ridiculous as your post on the MAC board that was laughed at.
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - Wedge - 01-20-2020 01:21 PM
This looks like the fantasy of the former Big Sky commissioner, he wanted there to be a middle football subdivision in D-I where the Big Sky competed with the G5 conferences.
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - 46566 - 01-20-2020 01:29 PM
I think that if anything the G5 will merge them into the FCS. Give the 5 G5 champs Auto bids and maybe allow FCS bowl games during the week for teams not in the playoffs.
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - 49RFootballNow - 01-20-2020 01:41 PM
Eventually there will be only 30 "Tier I" teams and all the other P5 fools who stupidly voted with the "Elites" to continue getting that big ESPN laced payday with also be left out in the cold.
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - bullet - 01-20-2020 01:47 PM
(01-20-2020 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote: This is just for fun.
But what if college football went to three subdivisions?
How would you do it? Would it be based on money, history or both? Would numerical equality matter to you?
I have a couple configurations but I'll lay out just one below.
Level I
PAC
West: California, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington St
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas St, Texas Tech, UCLA, USC
B1G
West: Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
East: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue
SEC
West: Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas A&M
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Tennessee
ACC
North: Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina St, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami FL, North Carolina, Virginia
Metro
North: Army, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
South: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis, South Florida, Tulane
MWC
West: Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego St
East: Air Force, Baylor, Houston, Navy, SMU, TCU, Tulsa
IND: Notre Dame
Level II
Big Sky
West: Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, Idaho, Northern Arizona, UC Davis, UNLV, Sacramento St, San Jose St
East: Montana, Montana St, New Mexico, Utah St, UTEP, UTSA, Weber St, Wyoming
Southland
West: Lamar, New Mexico St, North Texas, Rice, Sam Houston St, Stephen F. Austin St, Texas St
East: Louisiana Tech, McNeese St, Nicholls St, Northwestern St, Southeastern Louisiana, UL Lafayette, UL Monroe
Sun Belt
North: Appalachian St, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, Liberty, Old Dominion
South: Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Jacksonville St, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB
MVC
West: Illinois St, North Dakota, North Dakota St, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, South Dakota, South Dakota St, Western Illinois
East: Arkansas St, Ball St, Central Arkansas, Eastern Illinois, Indiana St, Missouri St, Southeast Missouri St, Southern Illinois
MAC
North: Akron, Bowling Green St, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent St, Toledo, Western Michigan
South: Eastern Kentucky, Marshall, Miami OH, Middle Tennessee St, Ohio, Western Kentucky, Youngstown St
CAA
North: Albany, Buffalo, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
South: Delaware, Georgetown, James Madison, Richmond, Stony Brook, Towson, Villanova
Level III
Ivy: Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale
Patriot: Bucknell, Colgate, Duquesne, Fordham, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, William & Mary
SWAC: Alabama A&M, Alabama St, Alcorn St, Grambling St, Jackson St, Mississippi Valley St, Prairie View A&M, Southern, Texas Southern, UAPB
MEAC: Bethune-Cookman, Delaware St, Florida A&M, Hampton, Howard, Morgan St, Norfolk St, North Carolina A&T, North Carolina Central, South Carolina St
SOCON: Campbell, Chattanooga, The Citadel, Davidson, East Tennessee St, Elon, Gardner-Webb, Tennessee St, Tennessee Tech, VMI, Western Carolina
Big South: Charleston Southern, Furman, Kennesaw St, Mercer, North Alabama, Presbyterian, Samford, Stetson, Wofford
OVC: Austin Peay St, Butler, Dayton, Drake, Morehead St, Murray St, St. Thomas, UT Martin, Valparaiso
NEC: Bryant, Central Connecticut St, Long Island, Marist, Merrimack, Monmouth, Robert Morris, Sacred Heart, St. Francis PA, Wagner
WAC: Abilene Christian, Dixie St, Houston Baptist, Idaho St, Incarnate Word, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, Portland St, San Diego, Southern Utah, Tarleton St
The split between the 3 divisions looks about right.
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - bullet - 01-20-2020 01:49 PM
(01-20-2020 01:21 PM)Wedge Wrote: This looks like the fantasy of the former Big Sky commissioner, he wanted there to be a middle football subdivision in D-I where the Big Sky competed with the G5 conferences.
Big Sky and MVC have kind of separated themselves from the rest of FCS. Maybe Colonial is in the same category.
And maybe its not that those have separated, but the others have fallen down bringing up weak Division II programs and losing stronger programs to FBS.
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - BePcr07 - 01-20-2020 01:58 PM
(01-20-2020 12:59 PM)utpotts Wrote: This is as ridiculous as your post on the MAC board that was laughed at.
Lol and I care?
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - goofus - 01-20-2020 02:05 PM
This is fairly simple. 255 total teams currently in division 1. 130 in FBS, 125 in FCS. So 255 ÷ 3 = 85 teams each level. That's the rough goal.
Level 1 - 83 teams total
All 65 P5 schools (includes ND)
+ BYU, Army, UConn
AAC - 7 teams total in level 1
Hou, SMU, USF, UCF, Cincy, Memphis, Navy
MWC - 8 teams total in level 1
SDSU, Fresno ST, UNLV, Boise St, Col ST, AFA, New Mexico, Hawaii
Level 2 - 82 teams total
NMSU, Liberty, UMass
AAC - 4 teams total in level 2
Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, Temple
MWC - 4 teams total in level 2
SJSU, Nevada, USU, Wyoming
All teams in
CUSA-14
MAC-12
SBT-10
MVFC-10
Big Sky-13
CAA-12
Level 3 - 89 teams total
Southern-9
Southland-11
Ohio valley-9
IVY-8
Big South-8
MEAC-9
Northeast-8
Patriot-7
SWAC-10
Pioneer-10
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - Nerdlinger - 01-20-2020 02:14 PM
(01-20-2020 02:05 PM)goofus Wrote: This is fairly simple. 255 total teams currently in division 1. 130 in FBS, 125 in FCS. So 255 ÷ 3 = 85.
Level 1 - 83 teams total
All 65 P5 schools (includes ND)
+ BYU, Army, UConn
AAC - 7 teams total in level 1
Hou, SMU, USF, UCF, Cincy, Memphis, Navy
MWC - 8 teams total in level 1
SDSU, Fresno ST, UNLV, Boise St, Col ST, AFA, New Mexico, Hawaii
Level 2 - 91 teams total
NMSU, Liberty, UMass
AAC - 4 teams total in level 2
Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, Temple
MWC - 4 teams total in level 2
SJSU, Nevada, USU, Wyoming
All teams in
CUSA-14
MAC-12
SBT-10
MVFC-10
Big Sky-13
CAA-12
Southern-9
Level 3 - 80 teams total
Southland-11
Ohio valley-9
IVY-8
Big South-8
MEAC-9
Northeast-8
Patriot-7
SWAC-10
Pioneer-10
Temple and Utah State probably belong in Level 1, while UConn most certainly does not.
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - goofus - 01-20-2020 02:26 PM
(01-20-2020 02:14 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: Temple and Utah State probably belong in Level 1, while UConn most certainly does not.
They are all borderline calls. I will give you that maybe UConn is probably below the line. But Temple, and USU both feel like MAC-CUSA-SBT level programs to me,which all ended up in level 2.
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - Nerdlinger - 01-20-2020 02:31 PM
Given that the total number of DI football schools is close to 256, I say have 4 subdivisions of 64.
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - TuckerGnat - 01-20-2020 02:32 PM
(01-20-2020 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote: This is just for fun.
Wouldn't it have been just as much "fun" to post this under one of the thousand other threads where people mindlessly reorganize all the conferences?
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - Nerdlinger - 01-20-2020 02:39 PM
(01-20-2020 02:32 PM)TuckerGnat Wrote: Wouldn't it have been just as much "fun" to post this under one of the thousand other threads where people mindlessly reorganize all the conferences?
Hey look, an anti-realignment troll in the realignment forum. How original.
RE: What if Division I football split into 3 subdivisions? - lion1983 - 01-20-2020 02:54 PM
I dont know what division to put it in, but i would rather see
North Alabama
Jacksonville State
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Kennesaw State
Georgia Southern
App. State
Liberty
JMU
Coastal Carolina
Chattanooga
Middle Tennessee State
And if the "super conferences" come into play,
La Tech
Louisiana
Ark State
Missouri State