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Jacksonville discontinues football - DoubleRSU - 12-03-2019 10:32 AM
Guess their SEC, AAC, ACC, and Sun Belt hopes are dashed
https://judolphins.com/news/2019/12/3/jacksonville-university-discontinues-football.aspx
RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - IWokeUpLikeThis - 12-03-2019 10:37 AM
They should focus on becoming a mid-major basketball power like they once were.
RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - bullet - 12-03-2019 10:39 AM
Hard for me to see how those Pioneer League football teams add value to the school. And it certainly squeezes out other men's sports.
RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - quo vadis - 12-03-2019 10:47 AM
Smart move. Many, many other schools should follow their example.
RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - arkstfan - 12-03-2019 10:48 AM
(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)bullet Wrote: Hard for me to see how those Pioneer League football teams add value to the school. And it certainly squeezes out other men's sports.
Brings in 100+ paying students.
RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - dbackjon - 12-03-2019 10:51 AM
(12-03-2019 10:48 AM)arkstfan Wrote:(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)bullet Wrote: Hard for me to see how those Pioneer League football teams add value to the school. And it certainly squeezes out other men's sports.
Brings in 100+ paying students.
Exactly
RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - bullet - 12-03-2019 10:51 AM
(12-03-2019 10:48 AM)arkstfan Wrote:(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)bullet Wrote: Hard for me to see how those Pioneer League football teams add value to the school. And it certainly squeezes out other men's sports.
Brings in 100+ paying students.
And probably a lot of those don't belong there and the school is using need based scholarships that could go to better students. As said in the news release, there is a lot of cost in coaches, facilities, tutors and other support facilities.
There are a lot of sports that tend to have better students than football.
Jacksonville discontinues football - panama - 12-03-2019 10:56 AM
Sad
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RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - EigenEagle - 12-03-2019 10:56 AM
I predict whoever the next president is will bring it back, a la East Tennessee State.
Jacksonville discontinues football - panama - 12-03-2019 11:05 AM
Yeah , hard to believe a school in the south would kill football.
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RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - Wedge - 12-03-2019 11:06 AM
(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)bullet Wrote: Hard for me to see how those Pioneer League football teams add value to the school. And it certainly squeezes out other men's sports.
Doesn't necessarily squeeze out other men's sports because no football scholarships are offered by Pioneer League teams. Having a no-scholarship football team does affect "participation" numbers (ie, total number of varsity athletes, regardless of whether or not they're on athletic scholarship), but that's a less important Title IX factor than number of scholarships or the relative amount of money spent on men's and women's sports.
Cost versus lack of support would be the real reason to drop a no-scholarship football team.
Even a Pioneer League football team will cost over $1 million/year. For an athletic department whose budget is funded almost entirely by the university, and gets only a few hundred thousand a year in donations (if that much), and has only friends and family in the stands for home football games, saving $1 million or more every year seems like an easy decision.
So probably, having a Pioneer League football team makes sense if you have significant donors that really want it, and/or several thousand people in the stands at home games, but otherwise not so much.
RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - arkstfan - 12-03-2019 11:27 AM
Couple small privates in Arkansas have done the non-scholarship football and it has really worked for them. Helped enrollment and improved the alumni and student involvement. I can see it being less effective for a college in a large urban area, especially if the student body isn't buying in.
RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - mturn017 - 12-03-2019 11:32 AM
(12-03-2019 10:37 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: They should focus on becoming a mid-major basketball power like they once were.
I had to look it up. Apparently they were pretty good 40 years ago.
RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - Cyniclone - 12-03-2019 11:54 AM
(12-03-2019 11:32 AM)mturn017 Wrote:(12-03-2019 10:37 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: They should focus on becoming a mid-major basketball power like they once were.
I had to look it up. Apparently they were pretty good 40 years ago.
They were good in the Sun Belt. They had Dee Brown.
RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - Kaplony - 12-03-2019 12:07 PM
(12-03-2019 10:51 AM)bullet Wrote: And probably a lot of those don't belong there and the school is using need based scholarships that could go to better students. As said in the news release, there is a lot of cost in coaches, facilities, tutors and other support facilities.
There are a lot of sports that tend to have better students than football.
I doubt there was too much overhead for this:
![[Image: LvUaNdq.jpg]](https://i.imgur.com/LvUaNdq.jpg)
And dropping football isn't going to get rid of the overhead because they use the same facility for men's and women's lacrosse.
Jacksonville discontinues football - panama - 12-03-2019 12:33 PM
Basically a high school setup. I am sure travel was an issue. They may have been better suited to Div II. In the Gulf South.
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RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - Kaplony - 12-03-2019 12:38 PM
(12-03-2019 12:33 PM)panama Wrote: Basically a high school setup. I am sure travel was an issue. They may have been better suited to Div II. In the Gulf South.
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But then they wouldn't be able to cash those fat March Madness paychecks.
Jacksonville discontinues football - panama - 12-03-2019 12:48 PM
I wonder what the alumni take is?
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RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - Kaplony - 12-03-2019 12:59 PM
(12-03-2019 12:48 PM)panama Wrote: I wonder what the alumni take is?
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They averaged 1800 people a game. I doubt their alumni even knew they had a program.
RE: Jacksonville discontinues football - CitrusUCF - 12-03-2019 01:11 PM
(12-03-2019 12:48 PM)panama Wrote: I wonder what the alumni take is?
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If the alumni want a football program at expensive tiny private schools that no one has ever heard of, they need to step up and open their checkbooks. This is going to be the first of many of these dominoes to fall.