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19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - army56mike - 10-29-2019 07:35 PM
Up first...
MEN
08 Nov - vs. Radford
10 Nov - vs. MD East. Shore
I like our prospect of starting off 2-0. It should be a big season.
WOMEN
05 Nov - @ Norfolk St.
08 Nov - vs. E. Tenn St.
I like our prospect of starting off 2-0. I’m hoping for a big season this year.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - army56mike - 11-03-2019 09:18 AM
For the life of me I can’t find our average home attendance number anywhere from last year. Anybody got an idea? Wondering how that will stack up against seats in the new 4,000 seat arena next year.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - Ewglenn - 11-03-2019 12:44 PM
(11-03-2019 09:18 AM)army56mike Wrote: For the life of me I can’t find our average home attendance number anywhere from last year. Anybody got an idea? Wondering how that will stack up against seats in the new 4,000 seat arena next year.
2019 average was 2,913. That grew a lot towards the end of the season. 17 games for a total attendance of 49,524.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - army56mike - 11-03-2019 01:54 PM
Imagine if we could actually get students to the games. We’d instantly outgrow the new arena.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - Ewglenn - 11-03-2019 02:58 PM
(11-03-2019 01:54 PM)army56mike Wrote: Imagine if we could actually get students to the games. We’d instantly outgrow the new arena.
I’m pretty sure they are going to limit student seating in the new arena to create demand.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - GE and MTS - 11-03-2019 10:20 PM
I hope our new arena is expandable. If we sellout our arena to 4,000 for each game, we'd only be comparable to a WCC school, the 11th ranked conference in average attendance.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - PAmedic - 11-03-2019 10:47 PM
(11-03-2019 10:20 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: I hope our new arena is expandable. If we sellout our arena to 4,000 for each game, we'd only be comparable to a WCC school, the 11th ranked conference in average attendance.
It is not.
This has been discussed ad infinitum. Admin (really COACHES) feels comfortable with 4K as the target for the foreseeable future
Really don’t even draw until conf play- numbers over break have traditionally been pathetic.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - cruzan_flame13 - 11-04-2019 09:47 AM
Hopefully we can reach the point where students have to do a raffle ticket similar to what UVA does, then there will be a demand and urge for students trying to get in the game. For right now, lets appreciate a packed house (hopefully have a repeat at the dance and make it to the Sweet 16 at least).
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 - 11-05-2019 03:29 PM
(11-03-2019 10:47 PM)PAmedic Wrote:(11-03-2019 10:20 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: I hope our new arena is expandable. If we sellout our arena to 4,000 for each game, we'd only be comparable to a WCC school, the 11th ranked conference in average attendance.
It is not.
This has been discussed ad infinitum. Admin (really COACHES) feels comfortable with 4K as the target for the foreseeable future
Really don’t even draw until conf play- numbers over break have traditionally been pathetic.
We only had 11 total games that we played that surpassed 4,000 people, & here is the breakdown on those games:
VT (preseason home game for hurricane relief): 4,210
@Vanderbilt (tournament in Nashville): 8,493
Georgetown (OOC game in DC): 4,011
Alabama (tournament in Huntsville): 5,781
@UCLA (OOC game in LA): 7,456
UNF (conference home game): 4,958
Lipscomb (conference home game): 5,053
FGCU (conference home game): 4,400
@Lipscomb (conference tournament in Nashville): 5,028
MSST (NCAA tournament in San Jose): 12,824
VT (NCAA tournament in San Jose): 14,802
Of those games:
1 Preseason Home Game
2 Regular Season Tournament Games in other states
2 OOC games in major cities
3 Conference Home Games
1 Conference Tournament Game in a major city
2 NCAA Tournament Games in a major city
We had 15 home games last year; only 3 surpassed the 4,000 seat mark, & only 3 other home games surpassed 3,000.
Our best season yet, & we didn't even average 3,000 per game. Let's try to average 3,500 for 5+ seasons before we worry too much about seating numbers.
Until students embrace basketball like they do football, we will do plenty fine in a 4,000 seat stadium.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 - 11-05-2019 03:35 PM
(11-05-2019 03:29 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:(11-03-2019 10:47 PM)PAmedic Wrote:(11-03-2019 10:20 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: I hope our new arena is expandable. If we sellout our arena to 4,000 for each game, we'd only be comparable to a WCC school, the 11th ranked conference in average attendance.
It is not.
This has been discussed ad infinitum. Admin (really COACHES) feels comfortable with 4K as the target for the foreseeable future
Really don’t even draw until conf play- numbers over break have traditionally been pathetic.
We only had 11 total games that we played that surpassed 4,000 people, & here is the breakdown on those games:
VT (preseason home game for hurricane relief): 4,210
@Vanderbilt (tournament in Nashville): 8,493
Georgetown (OOC game in DC): 4,011
Alabama (tournament in Huntsville): 5,781
@UCLA (OOC game in LA): 7,456
UNF (conference home game): 4,958
Lipscomb (conference home game): 5,053
FGCU (conference home game): 4,400
@Lipscomb (conference tournament in Nashville): 5,028
MSST (NCAA tournament in San Jose): 12,824
VT (NCAA tournament in San Jose): 14,802
Of those games:
1 Preseason Home Game
2 Regular Season Tournament Games in other states
2 OOC games in major cities
3 Conference Home Games
1 Conference Tournament Game in a major city
2 NCAA Tournament Games in a major city
We had 15 home games last year; only 3 surpassed the 4,000 seat mark, & only 3 other home games surpassed 3,000.
Our best season yet, & we didn't even average 3,000 per game. Let's try to average 3,500 for 5+ seasons before we worry too much about seating numbers.
Until students embrace basketball like they do football, we will do plenty fine in a 4,000 seat stadium.
To add to that, while I know it seems like crap numbers compared to the big boys in the Big 10, ACC, SEC, Big 12, & Big East, we still have the ability to outsell most conferences, especially our own.
Additionally, this stadium will make the visiting team feel our fans' presence much more than a hardly-filled Vines Center ever has.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - cruzan_flame13 - 11-05-2019 03:42 PM
(11-05-2019 03:35 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:(11-05-2019 03:29 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:(11-03-2019 10:47 PM)PAmedic Wrote:(11-03-2019 10:20 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: I hope our new arena is expandable. If we sellout our arena to 4,000 for each game, we'd only be comparable to a WCC school, the 11th ranked conference in average attendance.
It is not.
This has been discussed ad infinitum. Admin (really COACHES) feels comfortable with 4K as the target for the foreseeable future
Really don’t even draw until conf play- numbers over break have traditionally been pathetic.
We only had 11 total games that we played that surpassed 4,000 people, & here is the breakdown on those games:
VT (preseason home game for hurricane relief): 4,210
@Vanderbilt (tournament in Nashville): 8,493
Georgetown (OOC game in DC): 4,011
Alabama (tournament in Huntsville): 5,781
@UCLA (OOC game in LA): 7,456
UNF (conference home game): 4,958
Lipscomb (conference home game): 5,053
FGCU (conference home game): 4,400
@Lipscomb (conference tournament in Nashville): 5,028
MSST (NCAA tournament in San Jose): 12,824
VT (NCAA tournament in San Jose): 14,802
Of those games:
1 Preseason Home Game
2 Regular Season Tournament Games in other states
2 OOC games in major cities
3 Conference Home Games
1 Conference Tournament Game in a major city
2 NCAA Tournament Games in a major city
We had 15 home games last year; only 3 surpassed the 4,000 seat mark, & only 3 other home games surpassed 3,000.
Our best season yet, & we didn't even average 3,000 per game. Let's try to average 3,500 for 5+ seasons before we worry too much about seating numbers.
Until students embrace basketball like they do football, we will do plenty fine in a 4,000 seat stadium.
To add to that, while I know it seems like crap numbers compared to the big boys in the Big 10, ACC, SEC, Big 12, & Big East, we still have the ability to outsell most conferences, especially our own.
Additionally, this stadium will make the visiting team feel our fans' presence much more than a hardly-filled Vines Center ever has.
100% agree. We do not need a big arena to grow our attendance. It's better to have a high demand to get a ticketed seat that will be available for both students( most likely a raffle that I mentioned above) and other attendees. The atmosphere is more important than the size of arena.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - GE and MTS - 11-05-2019 09:31 PM
(11-05-2019 03:42 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:(11-05-2019 03:35 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:(11-05-2019 03:29 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:(11-03-2019 10:47 PM)PAmedic Wrote:(11-03-2019 10:20 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: I hope our new arena is expandable. If we sellout our arena to 4,000 for each game, we'd only be comparable to a WCC school, the 11th ranked conference in average attendance.
It is not.
This has been discussed ad infinitum. Admin (really COACHES) feels comfortable with 4K as the target for the foreseeable future
Really don’t even draw until conf play- numbers over break have traditionally been pathetic.
We only had 11 total games that we played that surpassed 4,000 people, & here is the breakdown on those games:
VT (preseason home game for hurricane relief): 4,210
@Vanderbilt (tournament in Nashville): 8,493
Georgetown (OOC game in DC): 4,011
Alabama (tournament in Huntsville): 5,781
@UCLA (OOC game in LA): 7,456
UNF (conference home game): 4,958
Lipscomb (conference home game): 5,053
FGCU (conference home game): 4,400
@Lipscomb (conference tournament in Nashville): 5,028
MSST (NCAA tournament in San Jose): 12,824
VT (NCAA tournament in San Jose): 14,802
Of those games:
1 Preseason Home Game
2 Regular Season Tournament Games in other states
2 OOC games in major cities
3 Conference Home Games
1 Conference Tournament Game in a major city
2 NCAA Tournament Games in a major city
We had 15 home games last year; only 3 surpassed the 4,000 seat mark, & only 3 other home games surpassed 3,000.
Our best season yet, & we didn't even average 3,000 per game. Let's try to average 3,500 for 5+ seasons before we worry too much about seating numbers.
Until students embrace basketball like they do football, we will do plenty fine in a 4,000 seat stadium.
To add to that, while I know it seems like crap numbers compared to the big boys in the Big 10, ACC, SEC, Big 12, & Big East, we still have the ability to outsell most conferences, especially our own.
Additionally, this stadium will make the visiting team feel our fans' presence much more than a hardly-filled Vines Center ever has.
100% agree. We do not need a big arena to grow our attendance. It's better to have a high demand to get a ticketed seat that will be available for both students( most likely a raffle that I mentioned above) and other attendees. The atmosphere is more important than the size of arena.
Sometimes exclusivity will deter the fan base from coming out. "Why try to get tickets when it's likely sold out or all the good seats are taken." Obviously LU has a long way to go for that but I think it is poor optics to go from a facility with large capacity to much smaller. It's like admitting you can't draw.
A bigger point is that we won't be looked at favorably by better conferences if our attendance doesn't improve. Even maxing out at 4,000 isn't impressive compared to the averages elsewhere.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - army56mike - 11-06-2019 08:09 AM
Great start!
(10-29-2019 07:35 PM)army56mike Wrote: WOMEN
67 - Liberty
48 - Norfolk St.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - cruzan_flame13 - 11-06-2019 10:00 AM
(11-05-2019 09:31 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:(11-05-2019 03:42 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:(11-05-2019 03:35 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:(11-05-2019 03:29 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:(11-03-2019 10:47 PM)PAmedic Wrote: It is not.
This has been discussed ad infinitum. Admin (really COACHES) feels comfortable with 4K as the target for the foreseeable future
Really don’t even draw until conf play- numbers over break have traditionally been pathetic.
We only had 11 total games that we played that surpassed 4,000 people, & here is the breakdown on those games:
VT (preseason home game for hurricane relief): 4,210
@Vanderbilt (tournament in Nashville): 8,493
Georgetown (OOC game in DC): 4,011
Alabama (tournament in Huntsville): 5,781
@UCLA (OOC game in LA): 7,456
UNF (conference home game): 4,958
Lipscomb (conference home game): 5,053
FGCU (conference home game): 4,400
@Lipscomb (conference tournament in Nashville): 5,028
MSST (NCAA tournament in San Jose): 12,824
VT (NCAA tournament in San Jose): 14,802
Of those games:
1 Preseason Home Game
2 Regular Season Tournament Games in other states
2 OOC games in major cities
3 Conference Home Games
1 Conference Tournament Game in a major city
2 NCAA Tournament Games in a major city
We had 15 home games last year; only 3 surpassed the 4,000 seat mark, & only 3 other home games surpassed 3,000.
Our best season yet, & we didn't even average 3,000 per game. Let's try to average 3,500 for 5+ seasons before we worry too much about seating numbers.
Until students embrace basketball like they do football, we will do plenty fine in a 4,000 seat stadium.
To add to that, while I know it seems like crap numbers compared to the big boys in the Big 10, ACC, SEC, Big 12, & Big East, we still have the ability to outsell most conferences, especially our own.
Additionally, this stadium will make the visiting team feel our fans' presence much more than a hardly-filled Vines Center ever has.
100% agree. We do not need a big arena to grow our attendance. It's better to have a high demand to get a ticketed seat that will be available for both students( most likely a raffle that I mentioned above) and other attendees. The atmosphere is more important than the size of arena.
Sometimes exclusivity will deter the fan base from coming out. "Why try to get tickets when it's likely sold out or all the good seats are taken." Obviously LU has a long way to go for that but I think it is poor optics to go from a facility with large capacity to much smaller. It's like admitting you can't draw.
A bigger point is that we won't be looked at favorably by better conferences if our attendance doesn't improve. Even maxing out at 4,000 isn't impressive compared to the averages elsewhere.
You could be correct in some cases, but i do not believe that's the case especially since those who never attended games in the vines in the first place. those who occasionally or frequently attended games would most likely not think this based on their experience seeing so many empty seats. It may cause them to want to come to every game or the majority of games to experience a more effective atmosphere in a smaller capacity. That could draw more to be interested in coming to games and greater things can occur. That's what I believe was the vision of establishing the new arena from the coaches and board.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - Ewglenn - 11-08-2019 08:57 PM
Attendance: 7,872
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - GE and MTS - 11-08-2019 11:19 PM
Great job men's basketball team! Women's basketball team... Ouch!
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - army56mike - 11-11-2019 10:28 AM
MEN (2-0)
W - Radford, MD East. Shore
This week: SC St, ECU
I expect 2 more wins for the men.
WOMEN (1-1)
W - Norfolk St.
L - E. Tenn St.
This week: Chattanooga, Va. Tech
I expect the ladies to split this week.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - army56mike - 11-11-2019 08:36 PM
Wow
the LU women got HANDLED at home by Chattanooga. Chattanooga is historically a pretty good team... but so are we. We shouldn’t lose to mid majors at home. LU had the perfect combination of no offense and no defense. 
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - army56mike - 11-12-2019 08:00 PM
Those red unis are kinda ugly... especially the numbers.
RE: 19-20 BASKETBALL SEASON - LibertyOrangeman - 11-12-2019 09:19 PM
(11-12-2019 08:00 PM)army56mike Wrote: Those red unis are kinda ugly... especially the numbers.There's nothing "kinda" about them. The blues are ugly too. We should trash them and go back to what we had last year before we're on national TV again.