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RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - Steve1981 - 06-28-2020 10:25 AM
(06-28-2020 08:56 AM)panite Wrote:(06-25-2020 04:33 PM)Bogg Wrote: Apparently hidden in the fine print of yesterday's BoT meeting was that UConn and Liberty are expanding their planned home-and-home out into a four-game series. Makes sense, would expect to see even more games scheduled in the future.
I would expect annual games H&H in November once the schedules allow it it down the road. I would also expect to see annual H&H Army and UMASS games scheduled in November going forward too when future schedules open up, to fill the November voids when the other schools are playing their conference schedule's. New Mexico State and BYU can float in and out too on an as needed basis. You might not see them as often due to the high traveling expenses UConn is trying to avoid going forward. UConn will only want to travel long distances in the future for million dollar money games. Surprisingly their current schedules are not as bad as everyone thought they would be.
Perhaps in 2024 scheduling UMass in November is possible.
2022 is full and the only team I'd like to push out is Tulane and 2023 we only have an opening in middle of Oct. Also notice that 2 out of the 3 other independents are scheduled before November. Scheduling in November, being an independent has not been a problem.
Our 2022 and 2023 (as 2020 and 2021 were ready scheduled prior to UConn's move).
2022
09/03 - at Tulane
09/10 - at Toledo
09/17 - Stony Brook
09/24 - at Temple
10/01 - at Eastern Michigan
10/08 - Liberty
10/15 - Buffalo
10/22 - at USF
10/29 - New Mexico State
11/12 - at Arkansas State
11/19 - at Texas A&M
11/26 - Army
2023
08/26 - at New Mexico State
09/02 - at Auburn
09/09 - Miami (Ohio)
09/16 - at Eastern Michigan
09/23 - New Mexico
09/30 - Toledo
10/07 - Arkansas State
10/28 - at Army
11/04 - Merrimack
11/11 - at Penn State
11/18 - at Liberty
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - UofMemphis - 06-28-2020 07:51 PM
(06-04-2020 10:52 PM)esayem Wrote: For comparison's sake, let's look at where the teams discussed were before the most recent realignment.
Big East Teams in a Power Conference:
Providence
UConn
St. John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown
DePaul
Marquette
AAC teams in a Power Conference:
Cincinnati
USF
I think it's pretty clear why the Big East is still considered a power conference.
flip side is Memphis came from CUSA with a TV deal paying 1 million per year to the AAC which will now pay ~6.94 million per year...even if it's not "Power 5" it still puts us in a conference with way more money, better competition, and better TV exposure.
it's not an accident that teams like Memphis, Houston, and UCF weren't ever able to sniff the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls in CUSA but suddenly start winning in the AAC.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - Nerdlinger - 06-28-2020 09:04 PM
(06-28-2020 07:51 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-04-2020 10:52 PM)esayem Wrote: For comparison's sake, let's look at where the teams discussed were before the most recent realignment.
Big East Teams in a Power Conference:
Providence
UConn
St. John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown
DePaul
Marquette
AAC teams in a Power Conference:
Cincinnati
USF
I think it's pretty clear why the Big East is still considered a power conference.
flip side is Memphis came from CUSA with a TV deal paying 1 million per year to the AAC which will now pay ~6.94 million per year...even if it's not "Power 5" it still puts us in a conference with way more money, better competition, and better TV exposure.
it's not an accident that teams like Memphis, Houston, and UCF weren't ever able to sniff the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls in CUSA but suddenly start winning in the AAC.
The AAC is basically the same as CUSA circa 2005 -- Central Florida, East Carolina, Houston, Memphis, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa were all in the conference then, and Cincinnati and South Florida had just left.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - UofMemphis - 06-28-2020 09:42 PM
(06-28-2020 09:04 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(06-28-2020 07:51 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-04-2020 10:52 PM)esayem Wrote: For comparison's sake, let's look at where the teams discussed were before the most recent realignment.
Big East Teams in a Power Conference:
Providence
UConn
St. John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown
DePaul
Marquette
AAC teams in a Power Conference:
Cincinnati
USF
I think it's pretty clear why the Big East is still considered a power conference.
flip side is Memphis came from CUSA with a TV deal paying 1 million per year to the AAC which will now pay ~6.94 million per year...even if it's not "Power 5" it still puts us in a conference with way more money, better competition, and better TV exposure.
it's not an accident that teams like Memphis, Houston, and UCF weren't ever able to sniff the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls in CUSA but suddenly start winning in the AAC.
The AAC is basically the same as CUSA circa 2005
with a WAY better TV contract, which leads to better money, better exposure, and the ability to grow our football program (as seen over the past 6 years)
Production costs with ESPN+ going forward will be an issue but UConn's 17 million dollar exit fee sure helps in that regard.
Aresco says the AAC will seek a 1 year extension to our waiver allowing us to host a title game with 11 teams due to COVID-19...so in 2-3 years we'll reevaluate conference membership but for now...we move forward with 11+1
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - Nerdlinger - 06-28-2020 09:49 PM
$7M per school per year is paltry and barely chips away at the massive cost of maintaining FBS.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - UofMemphis - 06-28-2020 09:53 PM
(06-28-2020 09:49 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: $7M per school per year is paltry and barely chips away at the massive cost of maintaining FBS.
then throw in the money that comes with Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls and NCAA Tournament Credits...
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - Nerdlinger - 06-28-2020 10:09 PM
(06-28-2020 09:53 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:49 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: $7M per school per year is paltry and barely chips away at the massive cost of maintaining FBS.
then throw in the money that comes with Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls and NCAA Tournament Credits...
And you're still in the red, unfortunately. Doesn't seem sustainable in the long run.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - UofMemphis - 06-28-2020 10:12 PM
(06-28-2020 10:09 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:53 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:49 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: $7M per school per year is paltry and barely chips away at the massive cost of maintaining FBS.
then throw in the money that comes with Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls and NCAA Tournament Credits...
And you're still in the red, unfortunately. Doesn't seem sustainable in the long run.
it's way better than where we came from and you can see it in the results...we (Memphis) still have that FedEx and Walmart money funding things.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - gulfcoastgal - 06-28-2020 10:25 PM
(06-28-2020 10:09 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:53 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:49 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: $7M per school per year is paltry and barely chips away at the massive cost of maintaining FBS.
then throw in the money that comes with Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls and NCAA Tournament Credits...
And you're still in the red, unfortunately. Doesn't seem sustainable in the long run.
Depends on how long the long run is. Dr Rudd (Memphis Pres) was on the AAC media neg. committee and said before the deal was done that $6M was needed to maintain current budgets and competitiveness. This was obviously before COVID and whatever new normal it brings. But, the current deal *should* be enough to achieve stated goals. Then again, all bets are off depending on how quickly things get back to “normal.“ The timing stinks as the Tigers were set to capitalize on tix sales and donations from the NY6 bowl run.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - UofMemphis - 06-29-2020 08:13 PM
(06-28-2020 10:25 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:(06-28-2020 10:09 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:53 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:49 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: $7M per school per year is paltry and barely chips away at the massive cost of maintaining FBS.
then throw in the money that comes with Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls and NCAA Tournament Credits...
And you're still in the red, unfortunately. Doesn't seem sustainable in the long run.
Depends on how long the long run is. Dr Rudd (Memphis Pres) was on the AAC media neg. committee and said before the deal was done that $6M was needed to maintain current budgets and competitiveness. This was obviously before COVID and whatever new normal it brings. But, the current deal *should* be enough to achieve stated goals. Then again, all bets are off depending on how quickly things get back to “normal.“ The timing stinks as the Tigers were set to capitalize on tix sales and donations from the NY6 bowl run.
we also need to make sure Memphis, Houston, UCF, and Cincy are regulars in the Access Bowl....that's an extra 4 million for the conference right there.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - panite - 06-30-2020 09:35 AM
(06-29-2020 08:13 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-28-2020 10:25 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:(06-28-2020 10:09 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:53 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:49 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: $7M per school per year is paltry and barely chips away at the massive cost of maintaining FBS.
then throw in the money that comes with Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls and NCAA Tournament Credits...
And you're still in the red, unfortunately. Doesn't seem sustainable in the long run.
Depends on how long the long run is. Dr Rudd (Memphis Pres) was on the AAC media neg. committee and said before the deal was done that $6M was needed to maintain current budgets and competitiveness. This was obviously before COVID and whatever new normal it brings. But, the current deal *should* be enough to achieve stated goals. Then again, all bets are off depending on how quickly things get back to “normal.“ The timing stinks as the Tigers were set to capitalize on tix sales and donations from the NY6 bowl run.
we also need to make sure Memphis, Houston, UCF, and Cincy are regulars in the Access Bowl....that's an extra 4 million for the conference right there.
You can put Navy and Temple on that list too.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - UofMemphis - 06-30-2020 08:14 PM
(06-30-2020 09:35 AM)panite Wrote:(06-29-2020 08:13 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-28-2020 10:25 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:(06-28-2020 10:09 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:53 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: then throw in the money that comes with Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls and NCAA Tournament Credits...
And you're still in the red, unfortunately. Doesn't seem sustainable in the long run.
Depends on how long the long run is. Dr Rudd (Memphis Pres) was on the AAC media neg. committee and said before the deal was done that $6M was needed to maintain current budgets and competitiveness. This was obviously before COVID and whatever new normal it brings. But, the current deal *should* be enough to achieve stated goals. Then again, all bets are off depending on how quickly things get back to “normal.“ The timing stinks as the Tigers were set to capitalize on tix sales and donations from the NY6 bowl run.
we also need to make sure Memphis, Houston, UCF, and Cincy are regulars in the Access Bowl....that's an extra 4 million for the conference right there.
You can put Navy and Temple on that list too.
I agree on Navy 100% but Temple's a long shot IMHO
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - BearcatJerry - 07-10-2020 07:44 AM
I figured I'd "bump" this thread with the advent of the wave of "Conference Only" schedules for the fall...
Of course, Uconn could...probably will...luck out and see the entire season cancelled. But their schedule is now in deep trouble.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - quo vadis - 07-10-2020 07:50 AM
(06-28-2020 09:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:04 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: The AAC is basically the same as CUSA circa 2005
with a WAY better TV contract, which leads to better money, better exposure, and the ability to grow our football program (as seen over the past 6 years)
The AAC received peanuts for the TV deal the past six years, so that wasn't why Memphis football improved over that time. As for exposure, that's far less valuable these days, because basically everyone has exposure these days, you can find anyone's game somewhere on cable or streaming.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - Bogg - 07-10-2020 08:05 AM
(07-10-2020 07:44 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote: I figured I'd "bump" this thread with the advent of the wave of "Conference Only" schedules for the fall...
Of course, Uconn could...probably will...luck out and see the entire season cancelled. But their schedule is now in deep trouble.
I'm not sure it really matters. It's too late in the cycle to affect recruiting, the TV deal's already finalized, and there wasn't likely to be any significant number of people in the stands anyway. With all that being the case, I don't know that it really matters who you scrimmage. If UConn plays a seven-game schedule that's just Maine plus Army/UMass/Liberty twice each....what does it matter?
I'm in the camp of the season likely not happening, though, and I'm not sure we're getting basketball either.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - bill dazzle - 07-10-2020 08:08 AM
(07-10-2020 07:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:04 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: The AAC is basically the same as CUSA circa 2005
with a WAY better TV contract, which leads to better money, better exposure, and the ability to grow our football program (as seen over the past 6 years)
The AAC received peanuts for the TV deal the past six years, so that wasn't why Memphis football improved over that time. As for exposure, that's far less valuable these days, because basically everyone has exposure these days, you can find anyone's game somewhere on cable or streaming.
True, but it seems to me Memphis football has gotten increased positive exposure from the national print media the past few years. More folks (including the media) than in the past now know that the university is now willing to invest more (than it had previously) in the football program.
That might be a factor. Who knows.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - UofMemphis - 07-11-2020 10:25 AM
(07-10-2020 07:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:04 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: The AAC is basically the same as CUSA circa 2005
with a WAY better TV contract, which leads to better money, better exposure, and the ability to grow our football program (as seen over the past 6 years)
The AAC received peanuts for the TV deal the past six years, so that wasn't why Memphis football improved over that time. As for exposure, that's far less valuable these days, because basically everyone has exposure these days, you can find anyone's game somewhere on cable or streaming.
and I neglected to mention the ~100 million left behind in exit fees/NCAA tourney credits from departing members...that was why the AAC took a low money/high exposure TV deal.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - GoldenWarrior11 - 07-11-2020 05:06 PM
(07-11-2020 10:25 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:(07-10-2020 07:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-28-2020 09:04 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: The AAC is basically the same as CUSA circa 2005
with a WAY better TV contract, which leads to better money, better exposure, and the ability to grow our football program (as seen over the past 6 years)
The AAC received peanuts for the TV deal the past six years, so that wasn't why Memphis football improved over that time. As for exposure, that's far less valuable these days, because basically everyone has exposure these days, you can find anyone's game somewhere on cable or streaming.
and I neglected to mention the ~100 million left behind in exit fees/NCAA tourney credits from departing members...that was why the AAC took a low money/high exposure TV deal.
Didn't UConn/Cincinnati/USF receive a majority of those exit fees though? I believe they got a much higher percentage to account of the significant drop in TV revenues from the BE contract to the AAC contract. I seem to recall reading about the financials of both UConn and Cincinnati that referenced that (and, one of many reasons that UConn announced they were leaving in 2019 - when the exit fees and war chest funds officially ran out).
For the first several years of the AAC TV deal, UConn/UC/USF were receiving close to what they were getting in the BE (via exit fees) and the new members were all still being paid more than what they were getting in C-USA - so it was a financial win/win for everyone at the time.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - panite - 07-15-2020 08:27 AM
What does new FB independent UConn do if the rest of the P5 conferences go to conference games only and the Northeast FCS conferences keep cancelling their seasons. The program loses games with Virginia, Ole Miss, North Carolina, and Maine if this happens. Even the MWC is up in the air at this point with the San Jose game.
RE: UConn future scheduling, or lack thereof. - YNot - 07-15-2020 10:35 AM
(07-15-2020 08:27 AM)panite Wrote: What does new FB independent UConn do if the rest of the P5 conferences go to conference games only and the Northeast FCS conferences keep cancelling their seasons. The program loses games with Virginia, Ole Miss, North Carolina, and Maine if this happens. Even the MWC is up in the air at this point with the San Jose game.
Keep the UMass, Liberty and Army games and probably add BYU and/or NMSU. If they can keep Old Dominion and Middle Tennessee, can they find 2 or 3 other games with MAC, CUSA or AAC opponents?
UConn will have plenty of road game flexibility, because UConn has already lost one road game and the remaining four of UConn's currently scheduled road games appear to be up in the air.
If not, they probably add another FCS opponent and look to schedule a return game at Army, UMass, and/or Liberty.