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2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - The Knight Time - 08-13-2019 10:47 AM
For public schools anyways. AAC:
UConn: $79M
UCF: $62M
Cincy: $62M
Memphis: $55M
Houston: $55M
ECU: $47M
USF: $46M
This was for the 2017 season so I expect UCF's number to jump a lot when the 2018 numbers come out given the huge jump in season tickets and fundraising haul.
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - Ocalabull - 08-13-2019 11:37 AM
ucf also has the most student fees at $23,000,000
I believe USF is 2nd at $17M
ECU 3rd at $16M
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - mtmedlin - 08-13-2019 11:40 AM
Budget is misleading without expenditures also... USF will be lower without having to pay $7 million a year for a stadium.
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - mturn017 - 08-13-2019 11:52 AM
(08-13-2019 11:40 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: Budget is misleading without expenditures also... USF will be lower without having to pay $7 million a year for a stadium.
You don't see the column labeled "Total Expenses"? Or are you just referring to capital expenditures?
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - CliftonAve - 08-13-2019 11:57 AM
(08-13-2019 10:47 AM)The Knight Time Wrote: For public schools anyways. AAC:
UConn: $79M
UCF: $62M
Cincy: $62M
Memphis: $55M
Houston: $55M
ECU: $47M
USF: $46M
This was for the 2017 season so I expect UCF's number to jump a lot when the 2018 numbers come out given the huge jump in season tickets and fundraising haul.
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
Cincinnati's will jump as well. In 2017-18 our football was 4-8 and the basketball team was paying rent to play at NKU (with about 3,500 fewer tickets to sell). I am eager to see the revenue the basketball program brought in in the 18-19 season in the refurbished arena with the additional premium seating and beverage/dining options.
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - St. H. Gink - 08-13-2019 12:02 PM
(08-13-2019 11:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:(08-13-2019 11:40 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: Budget is misleading without expenditures also... USF will be lower without having to pay $7 million a year for a stadium.
You don't see the column labeled "Total Expenses"? Or are you just referring to capital expenditures?
Anything that shows UCF in a better light, this specific poster always finds anything to try to discredit it. Funny thing is that the stadium payment is offset by the fact UCF’s budget is almost $20,000,000 bigger than usf’s.
The gap between the two schools keeps widening.
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - mtmedlin - 08-13-2019 12:05 PM
(08-13-2019 12:02 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:(08-13-2019 11:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:(08-13-2019 11:40 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: Budget is misleading without expenditures also... USF will be lower without having to pay $7 million a year for a stadium.
You don't see the column labeled "Total Expenses"? Or are you just referring to capital expenditures?
Anything that shows UCF in a better light, this specific poster always finds anything to try to discredit it. Funny thing is that the stadium payment is offset by the fact UCF’s budget is almost $20,000,000 bigger than usf’s.
The gap between the two schools keeps widening.
Its simple accounting and had little to do with UCF. Get over yourself. People make comments not related to you.. and if you care to look at gap,check out educational rankings....specifically research.
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - mturn017 - 08-13-2019 12:13 PM
(08-13-2019 12:05 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:(08-13-2019 12:02 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:(08-13-2019 11:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:(08-13-2019 11:40 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: Budget is misleading without expenditures also... USF will be lower without having to pay $7 million a year for a stadium.
You don't see the column labeled "Total Expenses"? Or are you just referring to capital expenditures?
Anything that shows UCF in a better light, this specific poster always finds anything to try to discredit it. Funny thing is that the stadium payment is offset by the fact UCF’s budget is almost $20,000,000 bigger than usf’s.
The gap between the two schools keeps widening.
Its simple accounting and had little to do with UCF. Get over yourself. People make comments not related to you.. and if you care to look at gap,check out educational rankings....specifically research.
Well, you'll likely either have lease payments for an NFL stadium or Debt service payments for an OCS. Both should be included in a schools expenses.
Why is USF not having to pay a lease for the Bucs stadium in the future?
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - The Knight Time - 08-13-2019 12:19 PM
(08-13-2019 11:40 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: Budget is misleading without expenditures also... USF will be lower without having to pay $7 million a year for a stadium.
If you actually opened the link you'd find that they do list expenses as well, and it shows that USF ran a $5M deficit.
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - Kruciff - 08-13-2019 12:32 PM
(08-13-2019 11:37 AM)Ocalabull Wrote: ucf also has the most student fees at $23,000,000
I believe USF is 2nd at $17M
ECU 3rd at $16M
UCF has a $14.32 athletic fee per credit hour per student
USF has a $14.46 athletic fee per credit hour per student
ECU has a $723 athletic fee per financial year per student
ECU students would have to take 50 credit hours a year to match the rate UCF/USF charge.
Your attempted snipe is only telling the world that UCF has more students than either school
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - Kruciff - 08-13-2019 12:39 PM
(08-13-2019 11:40 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: Budget is misleading without expenditures also... USF will be lower without having to pay $7 million a year for a stadium.
According to this article USF pays $185,000 per home game at Raymond James Stadium. No details on concessions and parking but I imagine Tampa Sports Authority has a cut in that too.This year, USF will pay up to $1.3MM in stadium rental alone.
There's no way UCF is paying $7 million a year for the stadium, because the stadium would have been paid off in 2015 at that rate.
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - Kruciff - 08-13-2019 12:46 PM
Also, for the expansion addicts... wanna see why no one should be on the USM train?
#108 - Troy
#110 - USA
#111 - Kent State
#113 - Ball State
#119 - NMSU
#121 - NIU
#124 - Bowling Green
#125 - Southern Miss
#127 - Louisiana Tech
#170 - Louisiana Monroe
If we're going purely by revenue...
#61 James Madison, $51.71MM in revenue higher than all but 8 G5 programs.
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - BearcatMan - 08-13-2019 12:58 PM
(08-13-2019 12:46 PM)Kruciff Wrote: Also, for the expansion addicts... wanna see why no one should be on the USM train?
#108 - Troy
#110 - USA
#111 - Kent State
#113 - Ball State
#119 - NMSU
#121 - NIU
#124 - Bowling Green
#125 - Southern Miss
#127 - Louisiana Tech
#170 - Louisiana Monroe
If we're going purely by revenue...
#61 James Madison, $51.71MM in revenue higher than all but 8 G5 programs.
Until you realize that they only generated $10MM in revenue on their own without pulling from school general funds. That's one of two columns I wish they'd add...Revenue Less Subsidy and Net Operating +/-...it would definitely put things into even starker perspective, and would also give a better perspective of which departments are better at generating their own income.
Just for fun, here are those values for our conference in order of largest Revenue Less Subsidy:
1. UConn
Revenue Less Subsidy: $40,267,408
Net Operating +/-: ($40,638,237)
2. UCF
Revenue Less Subsidy: $33,694,421
Net Operating +/-: ($27,424,550)
3. Cincinnati
Revenue Less Subsidy: $32,540,220
Net Operating +/-: ($32,215,083)
4. Memphis
Revenue Less Subsidy: $32,352,260
Net Operating +/-: ($23,110,245)
5. ECU
Revenue Less Subsidy: $25,923,858
Net Operating +/-: ($21,486,951)
6. Houston
Revenue Less Subsidy: $23,964,596
Net Operating +/-: ($33,142,317)
7. USF
Revenue Less Subsidy: $21,589,423
Net Operating +/-: ($29,084,917)
To put this into perspective, one football team (USF) and two basketball teams (Houston and Cincinnati) were not in complete control of their home revenues this year. Houston and Cincinnati should likely see a big bump in Revenue Less Subsidy and a decrease in Net Operating +/- precipitated by the decrease in expenses for rent/facility holding costs.
Of the G5 programs, quite a few had better pure revenue numbers than our lower end conference mates, namely SDSU, Colorado State, Fresno State, UNLV, Boise State, Wyoming, New Mexico, and (oddly enough) Arknasas State, which all had Revenue Less Subsidy values of $26MM+ which would put them right in the middle of our league for that value. Hell, looking at values, USF's operating revenue minus subsidy actually would put them at 8th in the MWC (between New Mexico and Nevada-Reno) and 2nd in the Sun Belt (behind Arky State).
Actually, the MWC isn't far off of our numbers in any of these categories, and generally run smaller subsidy shares as well...it's a bit disconcerting to be honest. Every one of the schools (excluding Boise who leads their conference at $35MM Less Subsidy and only a 28% subsidy run) would be at best 5th in our conference out of those who report.
Craziest thing to think about...if you take out direct subsidies, our conference COMBINED would only place #3 in revenue...
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - St. H. Gink - 08-13-2019 01:06 PM
(08-13-2019 12:19 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:(08-13-2019 11:40 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: Budget is misleading without expenditures also... USF will be lower without having to pay $7 million a year for a stadium.
If you actually opened the link you'd find that they do list expenses as well, and it shows that USF ran a $5M deficit.
Ouch!
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - justin_sane15 - 08-13-2019 01:44 PM
Imagine spending 80 million a year and in return getting... whatever UConn athletics is.
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - usffan - 08-13-2019 03:36 PM
(08-13-2019 12:02 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:(08-13-2019 11:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:(08-13-2019 11:40 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: Budget is misleading without expenditures also... USF will be lower without having to pay $7 million a year for a stadium.
You don't see the column labeled "Total Expenses"? Or are you just referring to capital expenditures?
Anything that shows UCF in a better light, this specific poster always finds anything to try to discredit it. Funny thing is that the stadium payment is offset by the fact UCF’s budget is almost $20,000,000 bigger than usf’s.
The gap between the two schools keeps widening.
You can cut the irony with a knife (or an overused
emoji)USFFan
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - usffan - 08-13-2019 03:44 PM
(08-13-2019 12:39 PM)Kruciff Wrote:(08-13-2019 11:40 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: Budget is misleading without expenditures also... USF will be lower without having to pay $7 million a year for a stadium.
According to this article USF pays $185,000 per home game at Raymond James Stadium. No details on concessions and parking but I imagine Tampa Sports Authority has a cut in that too.This year, USF will pay up to $1.3MM in stadium rental alone.
There's no way UCF is paying $7 million a year for the stadium, because the stadium would have been paid off in 2015 at that rate.
Yes, we pay $185K/game in rent (to the Tampa Sports Authority, not the Bucs). And we don't run (or profit from) concessions. We do make a portion of the parking proceeds (I honestly don't know the exact amount, and don't care enough to look up the specifics).
We also don't pay a penny for the upgrades and renovations, which include $160MM worth in the last couple of years. Or the cost of staffing the event.
And we likely won't ever know for sure what UCF is paying for the stadium, given that the athletic department was privatized and thus exempt from FOIA requests. The key is that we're happy with our situation, and you guys are happy with yours.
USFFan
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - Kruciff - 08-13-2019 04:36 PM
(08-13-2019 03:44 PM)usffan Wrote:(08-13-2019 12:39 PM)Kruciff Wrote:(08-13-2019 11:40 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: Budget is misleading without expenditures also... USF will be lower without having to pay $7 million a year for a stadium.
According to this article USF pays $185,000 per home game at Raymond James Stadium. No details on concessions and parking but I imagine Tampa Sports Authority has a cut in that too.This year, USF will pay up to $1.3MM in stadium rental alone.
There's no way UCF is paying $7 million a year for the stadium, because the stadium would have been paid off in 2015 at that rate.
Yes, we pay $185K/game in rent (to the Tampa Sports Authority, not the Bucs). And we don't run (or profit from) concessions. We do make a portion of the parking proceeds (I honestly don't know the exact amount, and don't care enough to look up the specifics).
We also don't pay a penny for the upgrades and renovations, which include $160MM worth in the last couple of years. Or the cost of staffing the event.
And we likely won't ever know for sure what UCF is paying for the stadium, given that the athletic department was privatized and thus exempt from FOIA requests. The key is that we're happy with our situation, and you guys are happy with yours.
USFFan
And that's fine.
Just don't expect someone to not respond when not so subtle jabs riddled with misinformation are directed towards UCF
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - usffan - 08-13-2019 04:44 PM
(08-13-2019 04:36 PM)Kruciff Wrote:(08-13-2019 03:44 PM)usffan Wrote:(08-13-2019 12:39 PM)Kruciff Wrote:(08-13-2019 11:40 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: Budget is misleading without expenditures also... USF will be lower without having to pay $7 million a year for a stadium.
According to this article USF pays $185,000 per home game at Raymond James Stadium. No details on concessions and parking but I imagine Tampa Sports Authority has a cut in that too.This year, USF will pay up to $1.3MM in stadium rental alone.
There's no way UCF is paying $7 million a year for the stadium, because the stadium would have been paid off in 2015 at that rate.
Yes, we pay $185K/game in rent (to the Tampa Sports Authority, not the Bucs). And we don't run (or profit from) concessions. We do make a portion of the parking proceeds (I honestly don't know the exact amount, and don't care enough to look up the specifics).
We also don't pay a penny for the upgrades and renovations, which include $160MM worth in the last couple of years. Or the cost of staffing the event.
And we likely won't ever know for sure what UCF is paying for the stadium, given that the athletic department was privatized and thus exempt from FOIA requests. The key is that we're happy with our situation, and you guys are happy with yours.
USFFan
And that's fine.
Just don't expect someone to not respond when not so subtle jabs riddled with misinformation are directed towards UCF
![[Image: wJCSQsYwVQcTzwxkyE2Hfb-1200-80.jpg]](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/wJCSQsYwVQcTzwxkyE2Hfb-1200-80.jpg)
It's not like USF has a monopoly on posters who like to hurl disingenuous BS posts. In fact, I daresay our numbers (both in general and in this specific category) pale in comparison to yours on here...
USFFan
RE: 2017/2018 USA Today Athletic Budgets released - Ocalabull - 08-13-2019 06:37 PM
(08-13-2019 12:32 PM)Kruciff Wrote:(08-13-2019 11:37 AM)Ocalabull Wrote: ucf also has the most student fees at $23,000,000
I believe USF is 2nd at $17M
ECU 3rd at $16M
UCF has a $14.32 athletic fee per credit hour per student
USF has a $14.46 athletic fee per credit hour per student
ECU has a $723 athletic fee per financial year per student
ECU students would have to take 50 credit hours a year to match the rate UCF/USF charge.
Your attempted snipe is only telling the world that UCF has more students than either school
Snipe? I was just posting info that wasn't mentioned yet. I was pointing out that we both had high amounts relied on students. Dont be so sensitive