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Preseason countdown - stever20 - 08-05-2019 10:13 PM
Champions-
B10- #1 Michigan St
SEC- #2 Kentucky
ACC- #3 Duke
B12- #4 Kansas
BE- #6 Villanova
WCC- #9 Gonzaga
P12- #12 Arizona
AAC- #15 Memphis
MWC- #16 Utah State
A10- #22 VCU
Ivy-#44 Harvard
AEC- #50 Vermont
CUSA- #64 Western Kentucky
OVC- #69 Belmont
ASun- #70 Liberty
Southern-#74 Wofford
WAC #78 New Mexico St
MAC-#80 Toledo
BW-#84 UC Irvine
MVC-#86 Northern Iowa
SBC-#88 South Alabama
CAA- #90 Charleston
MAAC- #95 Iona
Patriot- #97 Colgate
Summit- #107 North Dakota St
Big Sky- #113 E Washington
Horizon- #116 Oakland
Big South- #124 Radford
Southland- #133 Lamar
NEC- #138 Fairleigh Dickinson
SWAC- #140 Grambling St
MEAC- #142 Norfolk St
last 4 byes-Arkansas ,Oregon ,Ole Miss ,Davidson
last 4 in-Oklahoma ,USC ,West Virginia, Georgetown
1st 4 out-Houston,Indiana,Dayton,Illinois
2nd 4 out- UConn,Iowa St,Syracuse,Wichita St
note- these 16 teams IMO are pretty darn close to equal. 1-2 bounces either way for these teams will determine their fate thru the season...
ncaa projection:
AAC- 2
ACC- 6
A10- 2
BE- 6
Big 12-6
B10- 7
P12- 5
SEC- 9
WCC- 2
RE: Preseason countdown - stever20 - 08-05-2019 10:15 PM
So from Big East perspective, who is the team out? DePaul? Know they lost some, but didn't they get some good stuff coming in?
RE: Preseason countdown - scoscox - 08-05-2019 11:04 PM
Yes depaul will be more talented than they’ve been in decades. Weems, Moore, Gordon, lands, Jacobs, reed. They’ll be young and may take awhile to gel. Very hard to predict how good they’ll be. If they end up a top 100 team I won’t be surprised and vice versa
RE: Preseason countdown - stever20 - 08-05-2019 11:49 PM
so assuming DePaul is #10 and out of the countdown, who do folks expect to be #8 and next in the countdown?
RE: Preseason countdown - GoldenWarrior11 - 08-06-2019 09:06 AM
It probably is DePaul, but they could sneak up on some people this year. Leitao's suspension (and the program probation) are very alarming, IMO; if there is not progress this year, they need to restart the rebuild (again) - and probably reorganize their athletic department in order to put men's basketball in a better position to succeed (since everyone knows nobody is going to get fired).
If I had to guess, I would go with:
#8 Butler
#7 Creighton
#6 Providence
#5 Georgetown
#4 Marquette
#3 Xavier
#2 Seton Hall
#1 Villanova
RE: Preseason countdown - stever20 - 08-06-2019 09:13 AM
was kind of thinking Butler as well... Possibly Providence I guess as well.... Think you might have Creighton a smidge low...
The real interesting team IMO is who you have #5- Georgetown. Their season could go really any direction imo.
RE: Preseason countdown - HuskyU - 08-06-2019 10:47 AM
(08-05-2019 10:15 PM)stever20 Wrote: So from Big East perspective, who is the team out? DePaul? Know they lost some, but didn't they get some good stuff coming in?
Probably UCONN. VCU is an upgrade.
RE: Preseason countdown - GoldenWarrior11 - 08-06-2019 10:50 AM
(08-06-2019 10:47 AM)HuskyU Wrote:(08-05-2019 10:15 PM)stever20 Wrote: So from Big East perspective, who is the team out? DePaul? Know they lost some, but didn't they get some good stuff coming in?
Probably UCONN. VCU is an upgrade.
RE: Preseason countdown - stever20 - 08-06-2019 11:08 AM
He's not wrong :)
RE: Preseason countdown - BraveKnight - 08-06-2019 11:47 AM
Is St Johns really that bad? They didn't look good in the first four last year but I didn't think they'd be projected to be that bad. Did they graduate lots of players?
RE: Preseason countdown - stever20 - 08-06-2019 11:54 AM
(08-06-2019 11:47 AM)BraveKnight Wrote: Is St Johns really that bad? They didn't look good in the first four last year but I didn't think they'd be projected to be that bad. Did they graduate lots of players?
graduate or have turn pro. From a team that wasn't deep- bench played 19.7% of the minutes- good for #347 last year- they lose 3 starters and 1st guy off the bench.
RE: Preseason countdown - HuskyU - 08-06-2019 01:42 PM
Eh... The Johnnies still have a good roster. They've been suffering from a coaching problem. Anderson is a huge upgrade, but it may take time to get there (similar to Hurley).
RE: Preseason countdown - scoscox - 08-06-2019 01:46 PM
If that transfer they picked up gets a waiver they’ll be very competitive with three big scoring threats in the backcourt. The transfer, heron, and Figueroa. That’s no joke. Their bigs will be a weakness but they won’t be an easy out
RE: Preseason countdown - stever20 - 08-07-2019 07:52 AM
So updated with #91 Furman. Start to see NIT teams showing up tomorrow.
btw, for those new with this- it's timed out to reveal #1 the opening day of college basketball season.
RE: Preseason countdown - stever20 - 08-07-2019 11:28 AM
(08-06-2019 01:46 PM)scoscox Wrote: If that transfer they picked up gets a waiver they’ll be very competitive with three big scoring threats in the backcourt. The transfer, heron, and Figueroa. That’s no joke. Their bigs will be a weakness but they won’t be an easy out
wasn't the transfer from Cleveland State? Guys coming from smaller conferences are by no means locks moving on up. A lot of times, there's a reason why they were at a smaller school.
RE: Preseason countdown - GoldenWarrior11 - 08-07-2019 11:55 AM
I have a lot more faith in St. John's looking better as the season goes on under Anderson than they had under Mullin. It also seemed like they regressed as the season went on.
RE: Preseason countdown - stever20 - 08-07-2019 12:00 PM
(08-07-2019 11:55 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: I have a lot more faith in St. John's looking better as the season goes on under Anderson than they had under Mullin. It also seemed like they regressed as the season went on.
there's no doubt, though part of that was that the OOC schedule didn't prepare them IMO for conference play.
This year the OOC for St John's is MUCH tougher....
RE: Preseason countdown - BraveKnight - 08-07-2019 12:00 PM
(08-07-2019 11:55 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: I have a lot more faith in St. John's looking better as the season goes on under Anderson than they had under Mullin. It also seemed like they regressed as the season went on.Was Anderson fired at Arkansas?
RE: Preseason countdown - stever20 - 08-07-2019 12:03 PM
(08-07-2019 12:00 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:(08-07-2019 11:55 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: I have a lot more faith in St. John's looking better as the season goes on under Anderson than they had under Mullin. It also seemed like they regressed as the season went on.Was Anderson fired at Arkansas?
yes, but that doesn't make GW11's statement any less true. Mullin was a terrible coach. Frankly Anderson may be the best coach St John's has had since Mike Jarvis.
RE: Preseason countdown - GoldenWarrior11 - 08-07-2019 12:27 PM
(08-07-2019 12:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:(08-07-2019 12:00 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:(08-07-2019 11:55 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: I have a lot more faith in St. John's looking better as the season goes on under Anderson than they had under Mullin. It also seemed like they regressed as the season went on.Was Anderson fired at Arkansas?
yes, but that doesn't make GW11's statement any less true. Mullin was a terrible coach. Frankly Anderson may be the best coach St John's has had since Mike Jarvis.
Yes, he was fired at Arkansas. No, Mike Anderson has never had a losing season as a head coach in seventeen years as a head coach. And - to Stever's point - Anderson is the first St. John's head coach hired (since Jarvis) to have been a head coach the previous year. Mullin, Lavin and Roberts all had not been head coaches before (or significant time before) getting hired at St. John's.
Experience (especially successful) is very valuable in running a sustained winning program. Anderson has done that at each stop (UAB, Missouri, Arkansas).