(01-14-2019 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  So who is actually having a better year than him? Conversation yesterday was from some he was the best freshman, I think he might be the best player in the AAC overall already. He has a strong case.

Player Efficiency Ratings
1. Jayden Gardner East Carolina 29.2
2. Kyvon Davenport Memphis 25.7
3. Tacko Fall UCF 24.3
4. Jimmy Whitt SMU 23.8
5. Jarron Cumberland Cincinnati 23.8
6. Alexis Yetna South Florida 23.7
7. Ethan Chargois SMU 23.7
8. DaQuan Jeffries Tulsa 23.3
9. Nysier Brooks Cincinnati 23.0
10. Jahmal McMurray SMU 22.1
11. Seth LeDay East Carolina 21.5
12. Jalen Adams UConn 21.1
13. Markis McDuffie Wichita State 21.0
14. Keith Williams Cincinnati 20.8
15. Shizz Alston Jr. Temple 20.4
16. Laquincy Rideau South Florida 20.2
17. Nate Pierre-Louis Temple 20.0
18. Aubrey Dawkins UCF 19.9
19. B.J. Taylor UCF 19.8
20. Corey Davis Jr. Houston 19.6

Yeah we had a had a terrible OOC but conference only is 28.5 nearly the same. He's also 19th in Defensive Rating so he's pretty good on that end as well before you dismiss PER as not accounting for defense, and near the top in most big counting stats (1st points, 2nd rebounds) despite 19th in minutes played per game. 3rd true shooting, 1st win shares despite playing on a crap team etc etc.

Our team is 346th in 3 point percentage and gives him no space to work in the post and teams that collapse on him yet he continues to produce despite it and with our 2nd best player LeDay who is also highly productive also competing for him on rebounds, post touches and working the same space or lack there of. Kind of crazy he is even able to be this effective.

(01-14-2019 09:08 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  This is why PER is so misleading


Does anyone in their right mind think Seth leDay is better then jalen Adams?





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(01-14-2019 09:09 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  PER is great in the nba because there are just 30 teams, all have talent and you can’t pad your stats against cupcakes


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(01-14-2019 09:12 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I acknowledged it's fair to question our schedule, but he's been just as effective playing in the AAC thus far vs some good defensive teams. When you drop a workman like 35 and 20 on Taco who actually played more minues than usual....30 minutes and has led the NCAA in defensive rating before with a 11 inches longer wing span than Shawn Bradley (longest dude ever to play basketball) I think the questions about will be able to get his post touches off and rebound in the AAC are mostly gone now. I don't think this is the last monster game you will see if he can do it vs a team that has the biggest dude in history and a 6-11 guy starting beside him.

(01-14-2019 09:17 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 09:12 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I acknowledged it's fair to question our schedule, but he's been just as effective playing in the AAC thus far vs some good defensive teams. When you drop a workman like 35 and 20 on Taco who actually played more minues than usual....30 minutes and has led the NCAA in defensive rating before with a 11 inches longer wing span than Shawn Bradley (longest dude ever to play basketball) I think the questions about will be able to get his post touches off and rebound in the AAC are mostly gone now. I don't think this is the last monster game you will see if he can do it vs a team that has the biggest dude in history and a 6-11 guy starting beside him.

That’s not true.


Efficiency wise, he had a poor game, an average game and 2 good games.

He is NOT the reason uc lost to ECU.

Ecu shooting out of their minds killed UC. We shut him down in the first half.

But then we had to start covering shooters and he got more room to work.

Shawn Williams best UC


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(01-14-2019 09:30 AM)TheOrigamiJimmyChin Wrote:  Somewhat off topic, since I have no horse in the Gardner argument: interesting to see that every team except Tulane has "better players" than Houston. At least according to these rankings.

Apparently we've got Corey Davis and chopped liver. On the bright side, if we could get the players we have to play efficiently, we could be pretty good.

I don't know the Player Efficiency stat. What goes into that, and why is UH so low on the list? Something about our style of play?

Or is UH really talent-deficient?

(01-14-2019 09:39 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  He is great but his stats are what they are simply because ECU has virtually no one else around him. Of 58 shots yesterday he took 21 of them for ECU. The next closest player took 10.

He had 35 points. After that, a kid had 12, and then ECU's entire roster was down in the 3-4 point range per player.

Compare that to UCF where 5/5 starters were in double figures and Brown was nearly in double figures off the bench. No one player is putting up monster numbers because the ball is getting distributed and multiple players are scoring.

(01-14-2019 09:30 AM)TheOrigamiJimmyChin Wrote:  Somewhat off topic, since I have no horse in the Gardner argument: interesting to see that every team except Tulane has "better players" than Houston. At least according to these rankings.

Apparently we've got Corey Davis and chopped liver. On the bright side, if we could get the players we have to play efficiently, we could be pretty good.

I don't know the Player Efficiency stat. What goes into that, and why is UH so low on the list? Something about our style of play?

Or is UH really talent-deficient?

(01-14-2019 09:44 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 09:39 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  He is great but his stats are what they are simply because ECU has virtually no one else around him. Of 58 shots yesterday he took 21 of them for ECU. The next closest player took 10.

He had 35 points. After that, a kid had 12, and then ECU's entire roster was down in the 3-4 point range per player.

Compare that to UCF where 5/5 starters were in double figures and Brown was nearly in double figures off the bench. No one player is putting up monster numbers because the ball is getting distributed and multiple players are scoring.

You have 35 points on 21 floor shots that's great and by definition that's going to mean the other players aren't going to be shooting much in a monster game like that.

I think think it makes it more impressive he has no one on the peremiter players to take the pressure off him really all year, no shooting and our second best player is competing for exactly what he does as well. It's a feather in his cap that he still does it with not space or no small to help him or take the pressure off of him.

(01-14-2019 09:37 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  He is terrific. He is the AAC freshman of the year without a doubt.

(01-14-2019 09:47 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 09:44 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 09:39 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  He is great but his stats are what they are simply because ECU has virtually no one else around him. Of 58 shots yesterday he took 21 of them for ECU. The next closest player took 10.

He had 35 points. After that, a kid had 12, and then ECU's entire roster was down in the 3-4 point range per player.

Compare that to UCF where 5/5 starters were in double figures and Brown was nearly in double figures off the bench. No one player is putting up monster numbers because the ball is getting distributed and multiple players are scoring.

You have 35 points on 21 floor shots that's great and by definition that's going to mean the other players aren't going to be shooting much in a monster game like that.

I think think it makes it more impressive he has no one on the peremiter players to take the pressure off him really all year, no shooting and our second best player is competing for exactly what he does as well. It's a feather in his cap that he still does it with not space or no small to help him or take the pressure off of him.

it is more impressive because he has it all on his shoulders but its somewhat less impressive because literally no one else on ECU is any good at all aside from shawn williams. There are a lot of players in this league that could fill up the stat sheet on a trash team.

He is a beast and obviously one of the best players in the league but you're premise in the OP was he is the best player in the league so lets get carried away.