(03-09-2020 09:57 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 08:40 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  It’s really frustrating though to see the combination of some fans of other schools who really see the potential and don’t get why we can’t get it right and some fans who see JMU as a lateral move at best from schools like Radford.

It's a lateral move at best if your gauge is base salary. A quick google shows Matt Brady earned 321K in his last year at JMU. Brady was probably the highest paid coach in JMU history, right? I understand it's 2020 and to be competitive with market rates then we need to up our salary package. The fact is that most successful mid-major coaches aren't moving up by coming to JMU.

(03-09-2020 10:30 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  how much does our peer North Dakota State pay their men's basketball coach? They are on the verge of making the tournament again.

(03-10-2020 06:52 AM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  I don't think we have any chance at getting Seth Greenberg to leave his cushy ESPN gig to coach us. That being said, even if we did have a chance, I don't understand why everyone seems to think it would be this huge hire. The guy was a D1 head coach from 1990-2012. He made the NCAA tournament three times. Two of those were with Long Beach State in the early 90s. In those 20+ years of coaching, he won his conference outright twice. He won the conference tournament twice. He never did both in the same year.

Also, I know I've harped on this before, but he passed on ******* Steph Curry with his dad as an NBA alum sitting there essentially begging him to give him a chance.

He has a recognizable name and experience which you are going to have a pay a premium for. Wouldn't you rather pay a premium on a true up and comer that hasn't been out of coaching for 8 years? What has he done to prove to you that he can coach in the current NCAA?

(03-10-2020 07:36 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Okay...take your best shots at this fantasy salary outline. I believe this framework is sensitive to the going market rates for established and successful mid-major MBB HCs, and it is not out of JMU’s ability to afford it.

(03-10-2020 06:52 AM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  I don't think we have any chance at getting Seth Greenberg to leave his cushy ESPN gig to coach us. That being said, even if we did have a chance, I don't understand why everyone seems to think it would be this huge hire. The guy was a D1 head coach from 1990-2012. He made the NCAA tournament three times. Two of those were with Long Beach State in the early 90s. In those 20+ years of coaching, he won his conference outright twice. He won the conference tournament twice. He never did both in the same year.

Also, I know I've harped on this before, but he passed on ******* Steph Curry with his dad as an NBA alum sitting there essentially begging him to give him a chance.

He has a recognizable name and experience which you are going to have a pay a premium for. Wouldn't you rather pay a premium on a true up and comer that hasn't been out of coaching for 8 years? What has he done to prove to you that he can coach in the current NCAA?

(03-10-2020 08:42 AM)PurpleRain Wrote:  I was watching the ETSU Wofford game and I noticed Seth Greenberg was doing the halftime report show, and what did I see?!?!

Seth Greenberg wearing a purple dress shirt with a purple paisley tie and a purple pocket square.

Coincidence? I think not


https://kslsports.com/430184/

(03-10-2020 07:40 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 07:36 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Okay...take your best shots at this fantasy salary outline. I believe this framework is sensitive to the going market rates for established and successful mid-major MBB HCs, and it is not out of JMU’s ability to afford it.

I love it; exactly what I'd like to see.

(03-10-2020 08:51 AM)JMU08 Wrote:  I think what you're putting out is mostly realistic Longhorn. 450k base is on the higher side, but I think it's possible to do. Attendance does not equal cash since student don't pay. What I've seen in other contracts is something like "N% gameday profits over X dollars", which is generally safer since it ties it to actual cash flow and is after any gameday cost gets factored in.

Since so many care about scheduling on here, I think I've also seen bonuses on getting P5 home games, so that may be something to consider. Also would personally put in something for NIT.

(03-10-2020 08:55 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 08:42 AM)PurpleRain Wrote:  I was watching the ETSU Wofford game and I noticed Seth Greenberg was doing the halftime report show, and what did I see?!?!

Seth Greenberg wearing a purple dress shirt with a purple paisley tie and a purple pocket square.

Coincidence? I think not


https://kslsports.com/430184/

Isn't LaPhonso Ellis also wearing a purple tie? I can't maximize the screen, but that's what it looked like. Purple ties are currently in style. I say coincidence.

(03-09-2020 07:26 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 05:31 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I don’t think we should be comparing FCS football coach salaries to basketball coach salaries. The ceiling is so much higher in basketball.
Even with JMU reaching the pinnacle of FCS it has a $5 million deficit annually in football.
Strong mid major basketball programs can and do make a profit.

Plus, March Madness success is way more impactful nationally than FCS football success.

Another thing to think about is using the basketball hire to elevate the FCS football program to FBS in a few years. The investment is not just for the basketball program, it is for the entire athletic program. JMU needs a better resume to move up.

I agree with you, but given the immediate past history (did you read the absurd incentives detailed in Rowe’s contract?), it would be a major victory if JMU offered the same level of compensation paid to FB’s HC to the next MBB HC. But I agree the salary ceiling for MBB should be higher than FCS FB, much higher. Indeed, it was at JMU once upon a time.

For those arguing JMU can’t (much less won’t) offer a salary package approaching $1 mil for a MBB HC my response is JMU can, and must. I’m ready to be underwhelmed by the next hire, but I’m an optimist by nature and remain hopeful that CK and company has learned his lesson.

(03-10-2020 09:04 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 08:51 AM)JMU08 Wrote:  I think what you're putting out is mostly realistic Longhorn. 450k base is on the higher side, but I think it's possible to do. Attendance does not equal cash since student don't pay. What I've seen in other contracts is something like "N% gameday profits over X dollars", which is generally safer since it ties it to actual cash flow and is after any gameday cost gets factored in.

Since so many care about scheduling on here, I think I've also seen bonuses on getting P5 home games, so that may be something to consider. Also would personally put in something for NIT.

My concern with the “20 wins” bonus is it might incentivize the coach to push for a weaker schedule, so it would be nice to see some component that rewards playing and beating higher RPI teams in some fashion.