(02-17-2020 09:57 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Remember the other side of the coin - any prospective coach has to want to relocate to Harrisonburg, be willing to take on a project, etc. A coach with the resume like John Beilein (lol seriously?) is not remotely interested in coming to CAA James Madison U. It's got to be as much of a good fit for them as it is for us.

(02-17-2020 11:45 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 09:57 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Remember the other side of the coin - any prospective coach has to want to relocate to Harrisonburg, be willing to take on a project, etc. A coach with the resume like John Beilein (lol seriously?) is not remotely interested in coming to CAA James Madison U. It's got to be as much of a good fit for them as it is for us.

This means the coach has to immediately buy a house in hbg and become a member at First Presbyterian on court square. Kids have to attend spotswood high school and wife has to play bridge at spotswood country club with the Rocco money heirs.

(02-17-2020 12:56 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I never said anything about being a part of the community. Broad definition aside, I think you could argue either way if any of our basketball coaches have been "involved in the community" in the last two decades. While that would be awesome, I'm not even looking for that. Take Brady for example, a new york D1 coach (NJ native) who relocated to Crozet. Now take John Beilein for instance; a new york native who is an NBA coach in Ohio. Is he willing to relocate to the valley? Maybe. With his resume, is he about to take a CAA job? Let's all laugh together now

(02-17-2020 11:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:45 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 09:57 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Remember the other side of the coin - any prospective coach has to want to relocate to Harrisonburg, be willing to take on a project, etc. A coach with the resume like John Beilein (lol seriously?) is not remotely interested in coming to CAA James Madison U. It's got to be as much of a good fit for them as it is for us.

This means the coach has to immediately buy a house in hbg and become a member at First Presbyterian on court square. Kids have to attend spotswood high school and wife has to play bridge at spotswood country club with the Rocco money heirs.

Give it a rest with the hyberbole.

Do I think it is a 'big deal' for a head coach at JMU want to be part of the Harrisonburg/Rockingham County coummunity.....hell yes I do. If you don't want to live in the community where you coach I find it hard to believe you can engage the local community which is desperately needed. Heck you could even live in Augusta County and be in the greater area community.

(02-17-2020 04:53 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:45 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 09:57 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Remember the other side of the coin - any prospective coach has to want to relocate to Harrisonburg, be willing to take on a project, etc. A coach with the resume like John Beilein (lol seriously?) is not remotely interested in coming to CAA James Madison U. It's got to be as much of a good fit for them as it is for us.

This means the coach has to immediately buy a house in hbg and become a member at First Presbyterian on court square. Kids have to attend spotswood high school and wife has to play bridge at spotswood country club with the Rocco money heirs.

Give it a rest with the hyberbole.

Do I think it is a 'big deal' for a head coach at JMU want to be part of the Harrisonburg/Rockingham County coummunity.....hell yes I do. If you don't want to live in the community where you coach I find it hard to believe you can engage the local community which is desperately needed. Heck you could even live in Augusta County and be in the greater area community.

I don't care if a successful coach's wife and kids never drop a shoe in rockingham county. I want ncaa appearances and p5 fights with an occasional p5 win.

Building the brand nationality matters, trite community engagement speak is bull****.

The community talk is fine and sounds good in the daily news record. Where has it gotten jmu basketball? We need to focus on national matters if we are a national university.

(02-17-2020 11:38 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Where is JTlll?

(02-17-2020 07:04 PM)hburg Wrote:  I just hope this time they don't go cheap and will go all in for a really good coach.

(02-17-2020 04:53 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:45 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 09:57 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Remember the other side of the coin - any prospective coach has to want to relocate to Harrisonburg, be willing to take on a project, etc. A coach with the resume like John Beilein (lol seriously?) is not remotely interested in coming to CAA James Madison U. It's got to be as much of a good fit for them as it is for us.

This means the coach has to immediately buy a house in hbg and become a member at First Presbyterian on court square. Kids have to attend spotswood high school and wife has to play bridge at spotswood country club with the Rocco money heirs.

Give it a rest with the hyberbole.

Do I think it is a 'big deal' for a head coach at JMU want to be part of the Harrisonburg/Rockingham County coummunity.....hell yes I do. If you don't want to live in the community where you coach I find it hard to believe you can engage the local community which is desperately needed. Heck you could even live in Augusta County and be in the greater area community.

I don't care if a successful coach's wife and kids never drop a shoe in rockingham county. I want ncaa appearances and p5 fights with an occasional p5 win.

Building the brand nationality matters, trite community engagement speak is bull****.

The community talk is fine and sounds good in the daily news record. Where has it gotten jmu basketball? We need to focus on national matters if we are a national university.

(02-17-2020 04:53 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:45 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 09:57 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Remember the other side of the coin - any prospective coach has to want to relocate to Harrisonburg, be willing to take on a project, etc. A coach with the resume like John Beilein (lol seriously?) is not remotely interested in coming to CAA James Madison U. It's got to be as much of a good fit for them as it is for us.

This means the coach has to immediately buy a house in hbg and become a member at First Presbyterian on court square. Kids have to attend spotswood high school and wife has to play bridge at spotswood country club with the Rocco money heirs.

Give it a rest with the hyberbole.

Do I think it is a 'big deal' for a head coach at JMU want to be part of the Harrisonburg/Rockingham County coummunity.....hell yes I do. If you don't want to live in the community where you coach I find it hard to believe you can engage the local community which is desperately needed. Heck you could even live in Augusta County and be in the greater area community.

I don't care if a successful coach's wife and kids never drop a shoe in rockingham county. I want ncaa appearances and p5 fights with an occasional p5 win.

Building the brand nationality matters, trite community engagement speak is bull****.

The community talk is fine and sounds good in the daily news record. Where has it gotten jmu basketball? We need to focus on national matters if we are a national university.

(02-18-2020 08:47 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 04:53 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:45 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 09:57 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Remember the other side of the coin - any prospective coach has to want to relocate to Harrisonburg, be willing to take on a project, etc. A coach with the resume like John Beilein (lol seriously?) is not remotely interested in coming to CAA James Madison U. It's got to be as much of a good fit for them as it is for us.

This means the coach has to immediately buy a house in hbg and become a member at First Presbyterian on court square. Kids have to attend spotswood high school and wife has to play bridge at spotswood country club with the Rocco money heirs.

Give it a rest with the hyberbole.

Do I think it is a 'big deal' for a head coach at JMU want to be part of the Harrisonburg/Rockingham County coummunity.....hell yes I do. If you don't want to live in the community where you coach I find it hard to believe you can engage the local community which is desperately needed. Heck you could even live in Augusta County and be in the greater area community.

I don't care if a successful coach's wife and kids never drop a shoe in rockingham county. I want ncaa appearances and p5 fights with an occasional p5 win.

Building the brand nationality matters, trite community engagement speak is bull****.

The community talk is fine and sounds good in the daily news record. Where has it gotten jmu basketball? We need to focus on national matters if we are a national university.

Ditto. The only thing I'm worried about with the community is getting JMU and the Harrisonburg area to give a damn about JMU basketball again. Win and that will happen. Brady didn't win enough to make up for just how much Sherm and Keener killed fan interest, but anyone who was in Richmond for the championship game against Northeastern or in Dayton for the tournament games saw flashes of what can happen if we win enough. Unfortunately after winning a very weak CAA and getting a 16 seed he followed it up with a 7th place team the next year and never winning another CAA tournament game his last three years.

Now obviously some name that can bring some immediate excitement along with the new arena would be a nice bonus, but I don't know if that guy is out there... All of those that have been mentioned here probably range from about a 1% long shot to completely impossible. Just firing Lou and paying what's needed for a good coach and getting a guy with a solid resume is gonna bring a little excitement for the bigger fans that can't wait to get back on board, a lot of the names that are exciting to us on here but not completely impossible probably aren't gonna mean a whole lot to the more casual fans anyway.

(02-18-2020 10:38 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 08:47 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 04:53 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:45 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  This means the coach has to immediately buy a house in hbg and become a member at First Presbyterian on court square. Kids have to attend spotswood high school and wife has to play bridge at spotswood country club with the Rocco money heirs.

Give it a rest with the hyberbole.

Do I think it is a 'big deal' for a head coach at JMU want to be part of the Harrisonburg/Rockingham County coummunity.....hell yes I do. If you don't want to live in the community where you coach I find it hard to believe you can engage the local community which is desperately needed. Heck you could even live in Augusta County and be in the greater area community.

I don't care if a successful coach's wife and kids never drop a shoe in rockingham county. I want ncaa appearances and p5 fights with an occasional p5 win.

Building the brand nationality matters, trite community engagement speak is bull****.

The community talk is fine and sounds good in the daily news record. Where has it gotten jmu basketball? We need to focus on national matters if we are a national university.

Ditto. The only thing I'm worried about with the community is getting JMU and the Harrisonburg area to give a damn about JMU basketball again. Win and that will happen. Brady didn't win enough to make up for just how much Sherm and Keener killed fan interest, but anyone who was in Richmond for the championship game against Northeastern or in Dayton for the tournament games saw flashes of what can happen if we win enough. Unfortunately after winning a very weak CAA and getting a 16 seed he followed it up with a 7th place team the next year and never winning another CAA tournament game his last three years.

Now obviously some name that can bring some immediate excitement along with the new arena would be a nice bonus, but I don't know if that guy is out there... All of those that have been mentioned here probably range from about a 1% long shot to completely impossible. Just firing Lou and paying what's needed for a good coach and getting a guy with a solid resume is gonna bring a little excitement for the bigger fans that can't wait to get back on board, a lot of the names that are exciting to us on here but not completely impossible probably aren't gonna mean a whole lot to the more casual fans anyway.

If we win, I have zero concerns about the support. In every other sport when the team succeeds the community comes out and backs them.
I have no doubt the same will happen for basketball. However, I think it's going to take some time. They've been so bad for so long a winning streak could easily look like a fluke to some. It's going to take consistent wins for the fan base and the community to start coming out for this team.
Having the new arena will be a massive opportunity for this team to prove people wrong quickly. However, if they can't get wins the fan base is going to be very reluctant to come back.
That is why this next hire is so incredibly important. They need to bring in a guy that can get this team better sooner rather than later. Time is not on the side of the new staff. Struggles are bound to happen, but the fan base is not going to be patient any longer. It will take time for the fan base to support this team. Win a lot of games and the fans will return. Even if they are against garbage teams they just need wins. The fan base hasn't experienced a winning streak over 3 Div I games in over 4 years.

(02-18-2020 11:07 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 10:38 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 08:47 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 04:53 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Give it a rest with the hyberbole.

Do I think it is a 'big deal' for a head coach at JMU want to be part of the Harrisonburg/Rockingham County coummunity.....hell yes I do. If you don't want to live in the community where you coach I find it hard to believe you can engage the local community which is desperately needed. Heck you could even live in Augusta County and be in the greater area community.

I don't care if a successful coach's wife and kids never drop a shoe in rockingham county. I want ncaa appearances and p5 fights with an occasional p5 win.

Building the brand nationality matters, trite community engagement speak is bull****.

The community talk is fine and sounds good in the daily news record. Where has it gotten jmu basketball? We need to focus on national matters if we are a national university.

Ditto. The only thing I'm worried about with the community is getting JMU and the Harrisonburg area to give a damn about JMU basketball again. Win and that will happen. Brady didn't win enough to make up for just how much Sherm and Keener killed fan interest, but anyone who was in Richmond for the championship game against Northeastern or in Dayton for the tournament games saw flashes of what can happen if we win enough. Unfortunately after winning a very weak CAA and getting a 16 seed he followed it up with a 7th place team the next year and never winning another CAA tournament game his last three years.

Now obviously some name that can bring some immediate excitement along with the new arena would be a nice bonus, but I don't know if that guy is out there... All of those that have been mentioned here probably range from about a 1% long shot to completely impossible. Just firing Lou and paying what's needed for a good coach and getting a guy with a solid resume is gonna bring a little excitement for the bigger fans that can't wait to get back on board, a lot of the names that are exciting to us on here but not completely impossible probably aren't gonna mean a whole lot to the more casual fans anyway.

If we win, I have zero concerns about the support. In every other sport when the team succeeds the community comes out and backs them.
I have no doubt the same will happen for basketball. However, I think it's going to take some time. They've been so bad for so long a winning streak could easily look like a fluke to some. It's going to take consistent wins for the fan base and the community to start coming out for this team.
Having the new arena will be a massive opportunity for this team to prove people wrong quickly. However, if they can't get wins the fan base is going to be very reluctant to come back.
That is why this next hire is so incredibly important. They need to bring in a guy that can get this team better sooner rather than later. Time is not on the side of the new staff. Struggles are bound to happen, but the fan base is not going to be patient any longer. It will take time for the fan base to support this team. Win a lot of games and the fans will return. Even if they are against garbage teams they just need wins. The fan base hasn't experienced a winning streak over 3 Div I games in over 4 years.

Agreed. And they need an experienced alpha male with a plan. Not just some guy who is going to recruit and coach, but someone who will get involved in scheduling, understands the kinds of athletes he wants on the team (instead of just taking every 6'4 guard that says "yes"). If he needs to usher some current players out the door and bring in transfers for the first season or two I'm fine with that too. As long as it points back to a master plan on how this program can finally get off life support.

(02-18-2020 11:41 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  lol JTIII coming to CAA James Madison

(02-18-2020 10:38 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 08:47 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 04:53 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:45 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  This means the coach has to immediately buy a house in hbg and become a member at First Presbyterian on court square. Kids have to attend spotswood high school and wife has to play bridge at spotswood country club with the Rocco money heirs.

Give it a rest with the hyberbole.

Do I think it is a 'big deal' for a head coach at JMU want to be part of the Harrisonburg/Rockingham County coummunity.....hell yes I do. If you don't want to live in the community where you coach I find it hard to believe you can engage the local community which is desperately needed. Heck you could even live in Augusta County and be in the greater area community.

I don't care if a successful coach's wife and kids never drop a shoe in rockingham county. I want ncaa appearances and p5 fights with an occasional p5 win.

Building the brand nationality matters, trite community engagement speak is bull****.

The community talk is fine and sounds good in the daily news record. Where has it gotten jmu basketball? We need to focus on national matters if we are a national university.

Ditto. The only thing I'm worried about with the community is getting JMU and the Harrisonburg area to give a damn about JMU basketball again. Win and that will happen. Brady didn't win enough to make up for just how much Sherm and Keener killed fan interest, but anyone who was in Richmond for the championship game against Northeastern or in Dayton for the tournament games saw flashes of what can happen if we win enough. Unfortunately after winning a very weak CAA and getting a 16 seed he followed it up with a 7th place team the next year and never winning another CAA tournament game his last three years.

Now obviously some name that can bring some immediate excitement along with the new arena would be a nice bonus, but I don't know if that guy is out there... All of those that have been mentioned here probably range from about a 1% long shot to completely impossible. Just firing Lou and paying what's needed for a good coach and getting a guy with a solid resume is gonna bring a little excitement for the bigger fans that can't wait to get back on board, a lot of the names that are exciting to us on here but not completely impossible probably aren't gonna mean a whole lot to the more casual fans anyway.

If we win, I have zero concerns about the support. In every other sport when the team succeeds the community comes out and backs them.
I have no doubt the same will happen for basketball. However, I think it's going to take some time. They've been so bad for so long a winning streak could easily look like a fluke to some. It's going to take consistent wins for the fan base and the community to start coming out for this team.
Having the new arena will be a massive opportunity for this team to prove people wrong quickly. However, if they can't get wins the fan base is going to be very reluctant to come back.
That is why this next hire is so incredibly important. They need to bring in a guy that can get this team better sooner rather than later. Time is not on the side of the new staff. Struggles are bound to happen, but the fan base is not going to be patient any longer. It will take time for the fan base to support this team. Win a lot of games and the fans will return. Even if they are against garbage teams they just need wins. The fan base hasn't experienced a winning streak over 3 Div I games in over 4 years.