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RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - NJDuke97 - 01-13-2020 07:48 PM

During today’s press conference Coach Rowe was asked about the youth of the team and time to work some things out and he smiled and referred to people knowing that they don’t have time and they aren’t young. That to me is a signal that this was always a make or break year for Coach Rowe and I wouldn’t be surprised if JMU follows suit and moves on mid season. I hope the team dramatically turns things around but for the folks who think he’ll be back next year with a bad season I just don’t see it. I think it will take a miracle at this point to save him and it’s likely he may not finish out the year. The Uncw move just gives JMU even more cover to make a similar move.


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - HyperDuke - 01-13-2020 07:53 PM

I think our decision-makers value stability over winning. They’d rather suffer an extra month or two & make the change the week after the CAAT. They can justify it as doing right by the kids not disrupting everything mid-season. I’m not sure they’re wrong.

If we don’t have to fire mid-season, we won’t. If we have a real target that is getting early interest from other schools, then maybe. But I think most options that we’re eyeing now will be available to pitch in mid-March or at the Final Four.


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - HyperDuke - 01-13-2020 07:54 PM

(01-13-2020 07:48 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  During today’s press conference Coach Rowe was asked about the youth of the team and time to work some things out and he smiled and referred to people knowing that they don’t have time and they aren’t young. That to me is a signal that this was always a make or break year for Coach Rowe and I wouldn’t be surprised if JMU follows suit and moves on mid season. I hope the team dramatically turns things around but for the folks who think he’ll be back next year with a bad season I just don’t see it. I think it will take a miracle at this point to save him and it’s likely he may not finish out the year. The Uncw move just gives JMU even more cover to make a similar move.

What’s crazy is that if we win the CAAT, he’ll get an extension. (Yes, I know that we won’t.)


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - Bill - 01-13-2020 09:08 PM

(01-13-2020 07:48 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  for the folks who think he’ll be back next year with a bad season I just don’t see it. I think it will take a miracle at this point to save him and it’s likely he may not finish out the year. The Uncw move just gives JMU even more cover to make a similar move.

He's been back every year with a bad season but I hope you're right. He'll finish out the year, though. I don't see an assistant (or anyone, really) taking over and doing any better at this point.


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - Bill - 01-13-2020 09:15 PM

(01-13-2020 06:47 PM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  Well we could hire the guy that just got fired from UNC-W today, he’s probably in our price range and definitely available

C.B. McGrath – UNC Wilmington
Total Compensation: $450,000
Additional Compensation: None
Notes: $300,000 in annual compensation, $150,000 if satisfactory completion of radio shows and TV shows, a minimum of 10 Seahawk Club/Alumni Association appearances and men’s basketball program maintains compliance with applicable rules
Max Bonus: $165,000 plus 20% of UNCW men’s basketball season ticket sales revenue in excess of $250,000
Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 100% of remaining $900,000 (includes 2019-20 compensation)
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $200,000
Contract Term Ends: March 31, 2022

No previous head coaching experience and a 26-58 record.


Targets for next Head MBB Coach - Centdukesfan - 01-13-2020 09:24 PM

Mark Adams is another interesting name. Defensive specialist from Texas tech. We'd probably have to cough up some cash, but he's basically the nation's top assistant


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - olddawg - 01-13-2020 09:44 PM

(01-13-2020 09:24 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Mark Adams is another interesting name. Defensive specialist from Texas tech. We'd probably have to cough up some cash, but he's basically the nation's top assistant

Would be a nice get. But if I'm considered the nations top assistant, I'm not going anyplace that's not P5 or Big East.


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - Dukeman2 - 01-13-2020 10:21 PM

President Carrier fired John Thurston mid season of his third year with a 31-44 record.

This allowed JMU to get a head start on discussion with Lefty Driesell


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - NJDuke97 - 01-13-2020 10:26 PM

(01-13-2020 09:44 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 09:24 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Mark Adams is another interesting name. Defensive specialist from Texas tech. We'd probably have to cough up some cash, but he's basically the nation's top assistant

Would be a nice get. But if I'm considered the nations top assistant, I'm not going anyplace that's not P5 or Big East.

Texas Tech plays in the Big 12 and made the national finals last year so he checks those boxes but I’d much rather have a guy who has been a successful mid major head coach.


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - Seahawk Nation 08 - 01-13-2020 10:57 PM

(01-13-2020 06:47 PM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  Well we could hire the guy that just got fired from UNC-W today, he’s probably in our price range and definitely available

Rowe >> C.B.


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - Longhorn - 01-14-2020 12:09 AM

(01-13-2020 09:08 PM)Bill Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 07:48 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  for the folks who think he’ll be back next year with a bad season I just don’t see it. I think it will take a miracle at this point to save him and it’s likely he may not finish out the year. The Uncw move just gives JMU even more cover to make a similar move.

He's been back every year with a bad season but I hope you're right. He'll finish out the year, though. I don't see an assistant (or anyone, really) taking over and doing any better at this point.

While I agree that I think LR will finish out the season, if he were let go now it wouldn’t be about finishing with a better W-L record, it would be about getting a head start to find the next HC.

And I don’t have any recommendations who that next HC will be, but they must be a person with an established record as a HC. No assistants or grab-bag guesses.

One question for the board, ignoring that JMU can’t afford him, were Rick Pitino hired would that be a good thing or a bad move on JMU’s part?


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - KickItToScotty - 01-14-2020 12:57 AM

(01-14-2020 12:09 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 09:08 PM)Bill Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 07:48 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  for the folks who think he’ll be back next year with a bad season I just don’t see it. I think it will take a miracle at this point to save him and it’s likely he may not finish out the year. The Uncw move just gives JMU even more cover to make a similar move.

He's been back every year with a bad season but I hope you're right. He'll finish out the year, though. I don't see an assistant (or anyone, really) taking over and doing any better at this point.

While I agree that I think LR will finish out the season, if he were let go now it wouldn’t be about finishing with a better W-L record, it would be about getting a head start to find the next HC.

And I don’t have any recommendations who that next HC will be, but they must be a person with an established record as a HC. No assistants or grab-bag guesses.

One question for the board, ignoring that JMU can’t afford him, were Rick Pitino hired would that be a good thing or a bad move on JMU’s part?

I'd be thrilled. His issues are the type of things that you're naive if you don't think they're happening with all the big boys and some of the not as big boys, and in my opinion he's one of the best coaches ever. Certainly a name that'll make a splash and get attendance up.


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - Longhorn - 01-14-2020 05:02 AM

(01-14-2020 12:57 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 12:09 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 09:08 PM)Bill Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 07:48 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  for the folks who think he’ll be back next year with a bad season I just don’t see it. I think it will take a miracle at this point to save him and it’s likely he may not finish out the year. The Uncw move just gives JMU even more cover to make a similar move.

He's been back every year with a bad season but I hope you're right. He'll finish out the year, though. I don't see an assistant (or anyone, really) taking over and doing any better at this point.

While I agree that I think LR will finish out the season, if he were let go now it wouldn’t be about finishing with a better W-L record, it would be about getting a head start to find the next HC.

And I don’t have any recommendations who that next HC will be, but they must be a person with an established record as a HC. No assistants or grab-bag guesses.

One question for the board, ignoring that JMU can’t afford him, were Rick Pitino hired would that be a good thing or a bad move on JMU’s part?

I'd be thrilled. His issues are the type of things that you're naive if you don't think they're happening with all the big boys and some of the not as big boys, and in my opinion he's one of the best coaches ever. Certainly a name that'll make a splash and get attendance up.

I agree with your assessment of a Pitino hire, but he apparently just extended his contract with a pro team overseas. No idea what he’s making there, and he’s now 66 or 67 years old. He has been on record that he’d like to coach college BB again in the U.S. if given the opportunity. However, Pitino in the Shenandoah Valley would be an even bigger stretch than Lefty. Fun to think about tho! 04-cheers


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - JMUDukes92 - 01-14-2020 08:08 AM

What about Brad Brownell? He may be done at Clemson by the end of the year.


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - jmudukes - 01-14-2020 08:10 AM

(01-14-2020 05:02 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 12:57 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 12:09 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 09:08 PM)Bill Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 07:48 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  for the folks who think he’ll be back next year with a bad season I just don’t see it. I think it will take a miracle at this point to save him and it’s likely he may not finish out the year. The Uncw move just gives JMU even more cover to make a similar move.

He's been back every year with a bad season but I hope you're right. He'll finish out the year, though. I don't see an assistant (or anyone, really) taking over and doing any better at this point.

While I agree that I think LR will finish out the season, if he were let go now it wouldn’t be about finishing with a better W-L record, it would be about getting a head start to find the next HC.

And I don’t have any recommendations who that next HC will be, but they must be a person with an established record as a HC. No assistants or grab-bag guesses.

One question for the board, ignoring that JMU can’t afford him, were Rick Pitino hired would that be a good thing or a bad move on JMU’s part?

I'd be thrilled. His issues are the type of things that you're naive if you don't think they're happening with all the big boys and some of the not as big boys, and in my opinion he's one of the best coaches ever. Certainly a name that'll make a splash and get attendance up.

I agree with your assessment of a Pitino hire, but he apparently just extended his contract with a pro team overseas. No idea what he’s making there, and he’s now 66 or 67 years old. He has been on record that he’d like to coach college BB again in the U.S. if given the opportunity. However, Pitino in the Shenandoah Valley would be an even bigger stretch than Lefty. Fun to think about tho! 04-cheers

you have to pay the $$$$ to get a good coach go after Pitino


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - Bawlmer Duke - 01-14-2020 08:21 AM

(01-13-2020 09:15 PM)Bill Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 06:47 PM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  Well we could hire the guy that just got fired from UNC-W today, he’s probably in our price range and definitely available

C.B. McGrath – UNC Wilmington
Total Compensation: $450,000
Additional Compensation: None
Notes: $300,000 in annual compensation, $150,000 if satisfactory completion of radio shows and TV shows, a minimum of 10 Seahawk Club/Alumni Association appearances and men’s basketball program maintains compliance with applicable rules
Max Bonus: $165,000 plus 20% of UNCW men’s basketball season ticket sales revenue in excess of $250,000
Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 100% of remaining $900,000 (includes 2019-20 compensation)
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $200,000
Contract Term Ends: March 31, 2022

No previous head coaching experience and a 26-58 record.

https://www.starnewsonline.com/sports/20200113/uncw-basketball-fires-head-coach-cb-mcgrath


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - KickItToScotty - 01-14-2020 08:36 AM

(01-14-2020 05:02 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 12:57 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 12:09 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 09:08 PM)Bill Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 07:48 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  for the folks who think he’ll be back next year with a bad season I just don’t see it. I think it will take a miracle at this point to save him and it’s likely he may not finish out the year. The Uncw move just gives JMU even more cover to make a similar move.

He's been back every year with a bad season but I hope you're right. He'll finish out the year, though. I don't see an assistant (or anyone, really) taking over and doing any better at this point.

While I agree that I think LR will finish out the season, if he were let go now it wouldn’t be about finishing with a better W-L record, it would be about getting a head start to find the next HC.

And I don’t have any recommendations who that next HC will be, but they must be a person with an established record as a HC. No assistants or grab-bag guesses.

One question for the board, ignoring that JMU can’t afford him, were Rick Pitino hired would that be a good thing or a bad move on JMU’s part?

I'd be thrilled. His issues are the type of things that you're naive if you don't think they're happening with all the big boys and some of the not as big boys, and in my opinion he's one of the best coaches ever. Certainly a name that'll make a splash and get attendance up.

I agree with your assessment of a Pitino hire, but he apparently just extended his contract with a pro team overseas. No idea what he’s making there, and he’s now 66 or 67 years old. He has been on record that he’d like to coach college BB again in the U.S. if given the opportunity. However, Pitino in the Shenandoah Valley would be an even bigger stretch than Lefty. Fun to think about tho! 04-cheers

Yep I saw that as well and wondered what he’s making there but couldn’t find any salary info, only contract length. I very seriously doubt it’s possible, but it’s cool as hell to think about even meeting Pitino, much less as the new coach of JMU. But as long as we’re dreaming, everything I could find on him said he wants to coach college basketball again and hoped he wouldn’t have to wait long for someone else to want him but so far nobody has. If JMU can’t afford him then oh well, that’s expected. If JMU could possibly have him if they want him though, I sure hope they would want him.


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - JMad03 - 01-14-2020 10:06 AM

(01-14-2020 08:36 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 05:02 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 12:57 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 12:09 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 09:08 PM)Bill Wrote:  He's been back every year with a bad season but I hope you're right. He'll finish out the year, though. I don't see an assistant (or anyone, really) taking over and doing any better at this point.

While I agree that I think LR will finish out the season, if he were let go now it wouldn’t be about finishing with a better W-L record, it would be about getting a head start to find the next HC.

And I don’t have any recommendations who that next HC will be, but they must be a person with an established record as a HC. No assistants or grab-bag guesses.

One question for the board, ignoring that JMU can’t afford him, were Rick Pitino hired would that be a good thing or a bad move on JMU’s part?

I'd be thrilled. His issues are the type of things that you're naive if you don't think they're happening with all the big boys and some of the not as big boys, and in my opinion he's one of the best coaches ever. Certainly a name that'll make a splash and get attendance up.

I agree with your assessment of a Pitino hire, but he apparently just extended his contract with a pro team overseas. No idea what he’s making there, and he’s now 66 or 67 years old. He has been on record that he’d like to coach college BB again in the U.S. if given the opportunity. However, Pitino in the Shenandoah Valley would be an even bigger stretch than Lefty. Fun to think about tho! 04-cheers

Yep I saw that as well and wondered what he’s making there but couldn’t find any salary info, only contract length. I very seriously doubt it’s possible, but it’s cool as hell to think about even meeting Pitino, much less as the new coach of JMU. But as long as we’re dreaming, everything I could find on him said he wants to coach college basketball again and hoped he wouldn’t have to wait long for someone else to want him but so far nobody has. If JMU can’t afford him then oh well, that’s expected. If JMU could possibly have him if they want him though, I sure hope they would want him.

I wouldn't mind having Pitino coach us for a few years. It would absolutely energize our fan base, that's for sure.
But our admin won't allow it. They avoid guys with controversy and Pitino is full of it.
I think that's also why Lonergan wouldn't get a shot. JMU doesn't want drama.. they would much rather take an alum than an experienced coach with a questionable history.
I am really concerned they are going to blow it yet again with a coaching hire. Expect to be disappointed.


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - Centdukesfan - 01-14-2020 10:24 AM

(01-13-2020 10:26 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 09:44 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 09:24 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Mark Adams is another interesting name. Defensive specialist from Texas tech. We'd probably have to cough up some cash, but he's basically the nation's top assistant

Would be a nice get. But if I'm considered the nations top assistant, I'm not going anyplace that's not P5 or Big East.

Texas Tech plays in the Big 12 and made the national finals last year so he checks those boxes but I’d much rather have a guy who has been a successful mid major head coach.

hes had some stops at lower level programs. I think this is going to be a big name in the offseason for a lot of programs looking for a new head man

1981-82, Clarendon College, Head Coach
1983-87, Wayland Baptist, Head Coach
1987-92, West Texas A&M, Head Coach
1992-97, Texas-Pan American, Head Coach
2004-13, Howard College, Head Coach


RE: Targets for next Head MBB Coach - Dukester - 01-14-2020 10:41 AM

(01-14-2020 08:08 AM)JMUDukes92 Wrote:  What about Brad Brownell? He may be done at Clemson by the end of the year.

Yes