(03-14-2020 09:11 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 08:38 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 08:32 PM)olddawg Wrote:  If I need a doctor to save my decades long, withering life, I don't care one iota about the baggage. I want results that will give me life. Don't care so much that we didn't get him. More so, that I doubt we tried.

He has a show-cause and potential (likely?) violations following him. It is conceivable he'll never coach a minute at Iona.

No offense to anyone who may have relatives that work for the NCAA, but I think the high rollers for Iona are not worried about push back. Anyone who lives in the Triangle knows how toothless the NCAA is.

(03-14-2020 09:19 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 09:11 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 08:38 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 08:32 PM)olddawg Wrote:  If I need a doctor to save my decades long, withering life, I don't care one iota about the baggage. I want results that will give me life. Don't care so much that we didn't get him. More so, that I doubt we tried.

He has a show-cause and potential (likely?) violations following him. It is conceivable he'll never coach a minute at Iona.

No offense to anyone who may have relatives that work for the NCAA, but I think the high rollers for Iona are not worried about push back. Anyone who lives in the Triangle knows how toothless the NCAA is.

They (Iona) obviously are not. The NCAA is a joke organization. They will look the other way for your acquaintances in the Triangle, both who wear a shade of blue, while striking a program like Iona. Like ol' Jerry Tarkanian said about the NCAA being so mad at Kentucky years ago they will place Cleveland State on probation. Joke...organization. Having said all that, be careful what you ask for as you just might get it. I'd buy season tickets if JMU hired Pitino. Not because I expect us to start winning all of a sudden, but more that I expect Harrisonburg will be renamed Pitinoville and lots of strips clubs and casinos will pop up. At least as long as that goody two shoes George Bailey doesn't screw things up. Violet Bick is ready.

(03-13-2020 05:19 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(03-13-2020 04:56 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(03-13-2020 02:52 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  UNCW hires Takayo Siddle, an assistant at NC State. Siddle was an assistant at UNCW a few years ago.

Better UNCW, than us.

They can have him.

33 years old. No previous head coaching experience. They had how many weeks to come up with this?

(03-15-2020 12:33 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(03-13-2020 05:19 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(03-13-2020 04:56 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(03-13-2020 02:52 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  UNCW hires Takayo Siddle, an assistant at NC State. Siddle was an assistant at UNCW a few years ago.

Better UNCW, than us.

They can have him.

33 years old. No previous head coaching experience. They had how many weeks to come up with this?

Siddle has been in the running from the start, with Burke being the other top option. Keatts didn’t have HC experience before taking the UNCW job either, btw.

I think a lot of you guys assume a hire is only a good one if it’s “big game hunting”. Not so at the mid-major level. You need a diamond in the rough. The “big name” guys are mostly just looking to use programs at this level, not build up a coaching tree.

Good luck.

(03-15-2020 08:02 AM)olddawg Wrote:  Looks like the Pitino and Iona pairing was a perfect storm of circumstance. Still, very impressed they pulled it off. Good Q&A outlining the timeline and key figures involved:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28902725/qa-rick-pitino-iona-hiring-issues-louisville

(03-15-2020 08:26 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Do you all really have faith that Bourne & Co will get this right? I would bet the big names never even made the list. I don't even imagine much of a proactive approach. More like an email refresh every 30 minutes to see if anyone actually wants to apply.

(03-14-2020 06:10 PM)Halz87 Wrote:  To say Rick Pitino has no class would be a huge understatement. I know I'm probably in minority, but
I didn't want the d'bag, regardless of his (tainted) record.

(03-15-2020 09:10 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 08:02 AM)olddawg Wrote:  Looks like the Pitino and Iona pairing was a perfect storm of circumstance. Still, very impressed they pulled it off. Good Q&A outlining the timeline and key figures involved:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28902725/qa-rick-pitino-iona-hiring-issues-louisville

Great read, thanks for that link. One part that really stood out to me:

Pitino: The program is not where Tim left it. It needs to be boosted up quite a bit. It probably needs six recruits. The first year, probably quite a few fifth-year transfers. I'm not a big junior college recruiter, not into the juco ranks. We do need a lot of immediate help. I just got texts, from over 35 [former Pitino] players, saying this is one of the happiest days [they've] had all year. That made me feel good. Mark Pope of BYU, Travis Ford, Lorenzo Wade, Taquan Dean, all these guys have been texting me. Those are relationships built over four years, a long period of time.

Iona had six seniors this year and I would expect nobody at Iona is transferring out because they don't want to play for Rick Pitino... On top of all the other factors, gotta think the opportunity to immediately bring in so many of his own guys makes it more attractive. JMU of course had one senior and four juniors, if we could pull off anything like JTIII or Drew I wonder if they'd be content with this roster and next year's four seniors or if they'd give anyone the boot. I wasn't a big fan of that with Devontae Morgan, but at the same time this first year in the new arena is a great opportunity to boost attendance if we can win right away.

(03-15-2020 08:26 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Do you all really have faith that Bourne & Co will get this right? I would bet the big names never even made the list. I don't even imagine much of a proactive approach. More like an email refresh every 30 minutes to see if anyone actually wants to apply.

I'm cautiously optimistic. What we've heard so far sounds like JMU is willing to up the pay pretty significantly, sounds like they're focusing on successful head coaches, and sounds like solid lower D1 head coaches aren't out of reach like a lot of us feared they may be. Not long ago this thread was full of talk about how most on here would prefer a D2 or D3 head coach over an assistant because no successful D1 head coach is going to want the job. Now it sounds like a successful Big South coach wants the job if we want him and a .737/.759 SoCon coach is at least somewhat interested.

I do wonder though if JMU went straight to the Mike Jones and Bob Richey type guys or if we also looked at all in to the long shot home runs. I hope there was some amount of reaching out to the camps of guys like Pitino, JTIII, Drew, and Smart to see if there's any possibility they'd be interested. I think landing another Lefty type would be about like hitting the lottery twice, but when the cost of a ticket is a phone call you might as well give it a shot and I hope JMU did.

(03-15-2020 10:36 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 09:10 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 08:02 AM)olddawg Wrote:  Looks like the Pitino and Iona pairing was a perfect storm of circumstance. Still, very impressed they pulled it off. Good Q&A outlining the timeline and key figures involved:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28902725/qa-rick-pitino-iona-hiring-issues-louisville

Great read, thanks for that link. One part that really stood out to me:

Pitino: The program is not where Tim left it. It needs to be boosted up quite a bit. It probably needs six recruits. The first year, probably quite a few fifth-year transfers. I'm not a big junior college recruiter, not into the juco ranks. We do need a lot of immediate help. I just got texts, from over 35 [former Pitino] players, saying this is one of the happiest days [they've] had all year. That made me feel good. Mark Pope of BYU, Travis Ford, Lorenzo Wade, Taquan Dean, all these guys have been texting me. Those are relationships built over four years, a long period of time.

Iona had six seniors this year and I would expect nobody at Iona is transferring out because they don't want to play for Rick Pitino... On top of all the other factors, gotta think the opportunity to immediately bring in so many of his own guys makes it more attractive. JMU of course had one senior and four juniors, if we could pull off anything like JTIII or Drew I wonder if they'd be content with this roster and next year's four seniors or if they'd give anyone the boot. I wasn't a big fan of that with Devontae Morgan, but at the same time this first year in the new arena is a great opportunity to boost attendance if we can win right away.

(03-15-2020 08:26 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Do you all really have faith that Bourne & Co will get this right? I would bet the big names never even made the list. I don't even imagine much of a proactive approach. More like an email refresh every 30 minutes to see if anyone actually wants to apply.

I'm cautiously optimistic. What we've heard so far sounds like JMU is willing to up the pay pretty significantly, sounds like they're focusing on successful head coaches, and sounds like solid lower D1 head coaches aren't out of reach like a lot of us feared they may be. Not long ago this thread was full of talk about how most on here would prefer a D2 or D3 head coach over an assistant because no successful D1 head coach is going to want the job. Now it sounds like a successful Big South coach wants the job if we want him and a .737/.759 SoCon coach is at least somewhat interested.

I do wonder though if JMU went straight to the Mike Jones and Bob Richey type guys or if we also looked at all in to the long shot home runs. I hope there was some amount of reaching out to the camps of guys like Pitino, JTIII, Drew, and Smart to see if there's any possibility they'd be interested. I think landing another Lefty type would be about like hitting the lottery twice, but when the cost of a ticket is a phone call you might as well give it a shot and I hope JMU did.

I'd like to think so, but suspect the admin looked at coaches like that as a Lamborghini, and said "we can only afford Toyotas" without even asking the price. If we're lucky, maybe we end up with a Mustang or Vette.

(03-14-2020 08:38 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Some rumblings about Bryce Drew as a name at Grand Canyon. Would be another name off the board. JT III for JMU?

(03-15-2020 11:34 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 08:38 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Some rumblings about Bryce Drew as a name at Grand Canyon. Would be another name off the board. JT III for JMU?

Based on past history, I have a serious concern our leadership is locked-in on someone like Jones and not even seriously engaging higher-tiered coaches. Not that I'd want Pitino, but if Drew were to go to a online university that'd be two low mid-majors that successfully reached over us.

(03-15-2020 12:05 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 11:34 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 08:38 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Some rumblings about Bryce Drew as a name at Grand Canyon. Would be another name off the board. JT III for JMU?

Based on past history, I have a serious concern our leadership is locked-in on someone like Jones and not even seriously engaging higher-tiered coaches. Not that I'd want Pitino, but if Drew were to go to a online university that'd be two low mid-majors that successfully reached over us.

I agree but Iona was paying Cluess over $1m ( he was extended a few times) and Grand Canyon puts a lot of money into hoops- Jerry Colangelo is involved there. JMU needs to think big in terms of men’s basketball. Even if we hire a qualified established coach like Jones or Richey those guys will face headwinds because they aren’t names outside of the inner college basketball coaching circles/ they won’t move the needle with average fans and the community won’t take notice.

JMU football can afford to hire a Mike Houston because of how strong the program has been and the level of support that they have. JMU basketball can not. If the new guy struggles next year your window will be closed. They need to hire a Thompson type because his track record and cache is sorely needed to boost attendance.

(03-15-2020 11:53 AM)olddawg Wrote:  A Jones hiring would be like the Rowe hire in one respect- wasted money on a search firm. We already knew everything about Rowe, yet paid Fogler to find him?
Jones is just down the highway and an in-state opponent. Could have met him discretely at the Hampton Inn in Lexington. An hour drive for us and him. Surely we didn't need a search firm to find him.

(03-15-2020 09:10 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 08:02 AM)olddawg Wrote:  Looks like the Pitino and Iona pairing was a perfect storm of circumstance. Still, very impressed they pulled it off. Good Q&A outlining the timeline and key figures involved:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28902725/qa-rick-pitino-iona-hiring-issues-louisville

Great read, thanks for that link. One part that really stood out to me:

Pitino: The program is not where Tim left it. It needs to be boosted up quite a bit. It probably needs six recruits. The first year, probably quite a few fifth-year transfers. I'm not a big junior college recruiter, not into the juco ranks. We do need a lot of immediate help. I just got texts, from over 35 [former Pitino] players, saying this is one of the happiest days [they've] had all year. That made me feel good. Mark Pope of BYU, Travis Ford, Lorenzo Wade, Taquan Dean, all these guys have been texting me. Those are relationships built over four years, a long period of time.

Iona had six seniors this year and I would expect nobody at Iona is transferring out because they don't want to play for Rick Pitino... On top of all the other factors, gotta think the opportunity to immediately bring in so many of his own guys makes it more attractive. JMU of course had one senior and four juniors, if we could pull off anything like JTIII or Drew I wonder if they'd be content with this roster and next year's four seniors or if they'd give anyone the boot. I wasn't a big fan of that with Devontae Morgan, but at the same time this first year in the new arena is a great opportunity to boost attendance if we can win right away.

(03-15-2020 08:26 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Do you all really have faith that Bourne & Co will get this right? I would bet the big names never even made the list. I don't even imagine much of a proactive approach. More like an email refresh every 30 minutes to see if anyone actually wants to apply.

I'm cautiously optimistic. What we've heard so far sounds like JMU is willing to up the pay pretty significantly, sounds like they're focusing on successful head coaches, and sounds like solid lower D1 head coaches aren't out of reach like a lot of us feared they may be. Not long ago this thread was full of talk about how most on here would prefer a D2 or D3 head coach over an assistant because no successful D1 head coach is going to want the job. Now it sounds like a successful Big South coach wants the job if we want him and a .737/.759 SoCon coach is at least somewhat interested.

I do wonder though if JMU went straight to the Mike Jones and Bob Richey type guys or if we also looked at all in to the long shot home runs. I hope there was some amount of reaching out to the camps of guys like Pitino, JTIII, Drew, and Smart to see if there's any possibility they'd be interested. I think landing another Lefty type would be about like hitting the lottery twice, but when the cost of a ticket is a phone call you might as well give it a shot and I hope JMU did.