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RE: New School maybe - desertscholar974 - 02-23-2019 11:22 AM
(02-23-2019 02:23 AM)Lopes87 Wrote: Saint Martin's would have less of a chance then their current member Seattle Pacific. I would love to see WWU and UAA or SPU to join the WAC but UAA and WWU are the only non football schools in GNAC to be a possibility.
Drury University & Augustana need to be given serious consideration. If the intent is not to eliminate schools then let's work towards balancing out the geography.
RE: New School maybe - DavidSt - 02-23-2019 12:44 PM
(02-22-2019 07:35 PM)Pounder Wrote:(02-22-2019 07:07 PM)KingSean Wrote: Now here is a good question. Are schools able to block other schools from moving up. Like can Evansville block Southern Indiana from being D1
If a D-1 conference wants Southern Indiana, it's more about the schools in that conference than someone else's school. The NCAA has minimum standards, but generally goes along with the member conferences on these decisions.
If they're trying to get into Evansville's conference, yeah, that's a problem. It's less of a problem if Evansville is a black sheep in that conference and the other schools vote Southern Indiana in for spite... but that's an entertaining hypothetical and nothing to do with reality.
The question to ask in this case... is the WAC kind of a beggar? Or how much of a beggar are they? In reality, I don't see any GNAC schools stepping up to the plate, so the WAC kind of dodges the question here.
However, my question: would the WAC be negligent by not asking any GNAC institutions about their desire to move up?
CWU is a fast growing university population rise, got a lot of money last year to upgrade their facilities including expanding and renovate both football and basketball with more seating. They have 12 sports, but do have like 12 others as emerging sports as part of the club teams. Their club women's hockey team could go varsity to be D1 which could offset the scholarships.
As for GNAC or RMAC schools that could actually join the WAC? Dixie State, CWU and Colorado Mesa do have the spots and the money to move up. They have the better budget to do this. CWU would give the northwest schools in D1 another team at D1 to play with. Colorado Mesa would give them another one as well. SU could be in the WAC for some time. Adding schools like Dixie State, Colorado Mesa, Metro State, CSU-Pueblo, West Texas A&M, Angelo State, Azusa Pacific, Tarleton State and Midwestern State could actually make the WAC Colorado as the central point. We need to add somebody else now with Dixie State who is willing. UMKC could be gone next year because Summit could add 2 more schools, UMKC and Augustana.
RE: New School maybe - MidWestMidMajor - 02-23-2019 03:49 PM
(02-23-2019 12:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote: UMKC could be gone next year...
In my heart of hearts I think that is a likely outcome. Remember about a year and a half ago UMKC had financial problems (cuts in state financial support). They released a study in Oct 2017 which considered: going to a new d1 conference, going d2, or even lower. As far as I know, a definitive decision was never announced because they had to replace the school chancellor and AD.
They got the new chancellor in June 2018 and the new AD in November. I think who they hired for AD signaled that they will stay d1. But they still have financial issues that a move to a league with less travel (like the Summit) would help. I don't think "the other shoe has fully dropped" yet. With the new AD and chancellor, they are probably just getting around to it. If there is a change in the works, I think they usually announce this things around June.
The question of new schools to the WAC is not just idle speculation. If UMKC leaves, if Chicago State continues to collapse...well, everyone understands what that means.
Have any 'Roos on the board heard any news?
Has UMKC administration made a definitive commitment to stay in the WAC?
RE: New School maybe - NoDak - 02-23-2019 05:41 PM
The UMKC AD was talking in the student paper that there would be a big announcement in May. UMKC is going to be the next Wichita St. Doesn’t sound like UMKC is moving down.
RE: New School maybe - NoDak - 02-23-2019 05:46 PM
Tx A&M San Antonio is scheduled to be at 25,000 students by 2025, and grow to 50k after that. The regional Texas schools like Sam Houston St, Lamar, Tarleton St and other Southland schools have something to worry about now, as they are no longer even poor 3rd choices. UTSA, UT Dallas, UT Arlington, Houston etc continue to siphon off their enrollments.
RE: New School maybe - Lopes87 - 02-24-2019 12:03 AM
(02-23-2019 11:22 AM)desertscholar974 Wrote:(02-23-2019 02:23 AM)Lopes87 Wrote: Saint Martin's would have less of a chance then their current member Seattle Pacific. I would love to see WWU and UAA or SPU to join the WAC but UAA and WWU are the only non football schools in GNAC to be a possibility.
Drury University & Augustana need to be given serious consideration. If the intent is not to eliminate schools then let's work towards balancing out the geography.
I'm not sure the block of GCU UVU SU CBU NMSU are looking east of Denver really, unless its Texas schools.
RE: New School maybe - Lopes87 - 02-24-2019 12:14 AM
(02-23-2019 05:41 PM)NoDak Wrote: The UMKC AD was talking in the student paper that there would be a big announcement in May. UMKC is going to be the next Wichita St. Doesn’t sound like UMKC is moving down.
UMKC? The 10-18 Roo's? With Richardson who has 74 wins in 188 games coached. Sounds very Wichita State to me....
RE: New School maybe - LUSportsFan - 02-24-2019 09:05 AM
(02-23-2019 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: Tx A&M San Antonio is scheduled to be at 25,000 students by 2025, and grow to 50k after that. The regional Texas schools like Sam Houston St, Lamar, Tarleton St and other Southland schools have something to worry about now, as they are no longer even poor 3rd choices. UTSA, UT Dallas, UT Arlington, Houston etc continue to siphon off their enrollments.
While I agree that Texas A&M - San Antonio has potential, I'm not so sure where the "continue to siphon off" statement comes from. It is not supported by the data. Unlike UND which has experienced a steady decline in total enrollment since Fall 2012 (https://dashboards.und.edu/idashboards/idb/html5?CMD=viewerLogin&loginType=guest&embedded=true&username=guest1&c=0&dashID=818), Sam Houston State enrollment is continuing to climb from 15,893 in 2006 to 21,224 in Fall 2018.
https://public.tableau.com/shared/HNRCKMGTZ?:display_count=no
https://www.shsu.edu/today@sam/T@S/article/2018/bucking-the-trend
Lamar's enrollment has restarted its climb following a 3% dip associated with Hurricane Harvey. https://www.lamar.edu/news-and-events/news/2017/10/enrollment-remains-strong-after-hurricanes-impact-on-region.html Long-term, the university experienced growth from a low point of 9,867 in 2006 to 14,783 in Fall 2018 despite several increases in admission standards. Fall 2016, one year before Harvey, saw a peak enrollment of 15,001.
https://www.lamar.edu/about-lu/dashboards/total-enrollment.html
To correct a few more things, Tarleton State is currently a member of DII Lone Star Conference; not the DI Southland Conference. Lamar and Sam Houston State are classed as National universities; not Regional.
Back to the topic, for Texas programs, I think if the WAC were on a path to FBS football, Sam Houston State and Lamar might be interested. As a possible FCS conference, I think the WAC would be limited to programs like Tarleton State exploring the possibility of moving up from DII to DI.
RE: New School maybe - MidWestMidMajor - 02-24-2019 10:03 AM
(02-24-2019 12:14 AM)Lopes87 Wrote: UMKC? The 10-18 Roo's? With Richardson who has 74 wins in 188 games coached. Sounds very Wichita State to me....
This is kind of off-topic. But this made me wonder how UMKC is doing compared to the other "hyphenated" school (1 AAA urban branch campuses of state universities). I suspect that being 2nd (or 3rd or sometimes 4th) in line for state funding impacts them. So I found 26 "hyphenated" schools that fit the criteria. UMKC's rpi is 241 (by teamrankings.com). The average rpi for this type of school is 229 and the median is 238, so UMKC is about in the middle of the pack. Bakersfield is 179, so better than average for urban branch campuses.
BTW, Who are the top 5 right now?
5. UC-Santa Barbara: 144
4. UT-RGV: 143
3. UN-Omaha: 120
2. UC-Irvine: 58
1. UNC-Greensboro: 38
Congrats UT-RGV for stepping up.
RE: New School maybe - NoDak - 02-24-2019 04:17 PM
(02-24-2019 09:05 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:UND enrollment has not been going down, as it now is an official pilot trainer of Delta Airlines and United Airlines, where they automatically take aviation grads with a “B” average and has nearly insatiable demand for grads from the Bakken.(02-23-2019 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: Tx A&M San Antonio is scheduled to be at 25,000 students by 2025, and grow to 50k after that. The regional Texas schools like Sam Houston St, Lamar, Tarleton St and other Southland schools have something to worry about now, as they are no longer even poor 3rd choices. UTSA, UT Dallas, UT Arlington, Houston etc continue to siphon off their enrollments.
While I agree that Texas A&M - San Antonio has potential, I'm not so sure where the "continue to siphon off" statement comes from. It is not supported by the data. Unlike UND which has experienced a steady decline in total enrollment since Fall 2012 (https://dashboards.und.edu/idashboards/idb/html5?CMD=viewerLogin&loginType=guest&embedded=true&username=guest1&c=0&dashID=818), Sam Houston State enrollment is continuing to climb from 15,893 in 2006 to 21,224 in Fall 2018.
https://public.tableau.com/shared/HNRCKMGTZ?:display_count=no
https://www.shsu.edu/today@sam/T@S/article/2018/bucking-the-trend
Lamar's enrollment has restarted its climb following a 3% dip associated with Hurricane Harvey. https://www.lamar.edu/news-and-events/news/2017/10/enrollment-remains-strong-after-hurricanes-impact-on-region.html Long-term, the university experienced growth from a low point of 9,867 in 2006 to 14,783 in Fall 2018 despite several increases in admission standards. Fall 2016, one year before Harvey, saw a peak enrollment of 15,001.
https://www.lamar.edu/about-lu/dashboards/total-enrollment.html
To correct a few more things, Tarleton State is currently a member of DII Lone Star Conference; not the DI Southland Conference. Lamar and Sam Houston State are classed as National universities; not Regional.
Back to the topic, for Texas programs, I think if the WAC were on a path to FBS football, Sam Houston State and Lamar might be interested. As a possible FCS conference, I think the WAC would be limited to programs like Tarleton State exploring the possibility of moving up from DII to DI.
Lamar and Sam Houston St going FBS with the WAC is not allowed on this board due to some snowflake posters. Never said Tarleton St was a Southland school.
RE: New School maybe - LUSportsFan - 02-24-2019 05:09 PM
(02-24-2019 04:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:(02-24-2019 09:05 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:UND enrollment has not been going down, as it now is an official pilot trainer of Delta Airlines and United Airlines, where they automatically take aviation grads with a “B” average and has nearly insatiable demand for grads from the Bakken.(02-23-2019 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: Tx A&M San Antonio is scheduled to be at 25,000 students by 2025, and grow to 50k after that. The regional Texas schools like Sam Houston St, Lamar, Tarleton St and other Southland schools have something to worry about now, as they are no longer even poor 3rd choices. UTSA, UT Dallas, UT Arlington, Houston etc continue to siphon off their enrollments.
While I agree that Texas A&M - San Antonio has potential, I'm not so sure where the "continue to siphon off" statement comes from. It is not supported by the data. Unlike UND which has experienced a steady decline in total enrollment since Fall 2012 (https://dashboards.und.edu/idashboards/idb/html5?CMD=viewerLogin&loginType=guest&embedded=true&username=guest1&c=0&dashID=818), Sam Houston State enrollment is continuing to climb from 15,893 in 2006 to 21,224 in Fall 2018.
https://public.tableau.com/shared/HNRCKMGTZ?:display_count=no
https://www.shsu.edu/today@sam/T@S/article/2018/bucking-the-trend
Lamar's enrollment has restarted its climb following a 3% dip associated with Hurricane Harvey. https://www.lamar.edu/news-and-events/news/2017/10/enrollment-remains-strong-after-hurricanes-impact-on-region.html Long-term, the university experienced growth from a low point of 9,867 in 2006 to 14,783 in Fall 2018 despite several increases in admission standards. Fall 2016, one year before Harvey, saw a peak enrollment of 15,001.
https://www.lamar.edu/about-lu/dashboards/total-enrollment.html
To correct a few more things, Tarleton State is currently a member of DII Lone Star Conference; not the DI Southland Conference. Lamar and Sam Houston State are classed as National universities; not Regional.
Back to the topic, for Texas programs, I think if the WAC were on a path to FBS football, Sam Houston State and Lamar might be interested. As a possible FCS conference, I think the WAC would be limited to programs like Tarleton State exploring the possibility of moving up from DII to DI.
I'm just going by the University of North Dakota dashboard data that I linked above. It shows a steady decline from Fall 2012 to each subsequent fall enrolllment. Reasons given on the unviersity site are good explanations including increasing acceptance standards.
Quote:Lamar and Sam Houston St going FBS with the WAC is not allowed on this board due to some snowflake posters. Never said Tarleton St was a Southland school.[/quote]
I didn't think it was the intent, but the statement above said "...Tarleton State and other Southland schools have something to worry about." I was just clarifying for someone not familiar with the universities and conferences.
The folks down in Southeast Texas like Bakken production. The pipeline terminus is in the Beaumont-Port Arthur area. The Motiva refinery in Port Arthur is exploring an expansion which could make it the world's largest. Part of the expansion would be associated with refining Bakken production. https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Report-Port-Arthur-s-Motiva-could-become-world-s-12818155.php
Not directly associated with Bakken, an LNG plant in Sabine Pass has received federal approval for a $10 billion expansion. https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/business/texas/article/Feds-approve-10-billion-Golden-Pass-LNG-project-10815987.php The Exxon Mobil refinery in Beaumont has recently received approval to expand its capacity by more than 65%. It is already one of the country's largest.
https://www.ogj.com/articles/2019/01/exxonmobil-adding-crude-unit-at-beaumont-refinery.html
Getting back to the topic, I would think one of the goals of WAC expansion would be to look for new members that could help reduce travel costs; especially if the conference has plans to offer football as one of its sponsored sports. Universities like Dixie State fit that goal.
RE: New School maybe - dbackjon - 02-24-2019 06:00 PM
(02-24-2019 04:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:(02-24-2019 09:05 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:UND enrollment has not been going down, as it now is an official pilot trainer of Delta Airlines and United Airlines, where they automatically take aviation grads with a “B” average and has nearly insatiable demand for grads from the Bakken.(02-23-2019 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: Tx A&M San Antonio is scheduled to be at 25,000 students by 2025, and grow to 50k after that. The regional Texas schools like Sam Houston St, Lamar, Tarleton St and other Southland schools have something to worry about now, as they are no longer even poor 3rd choices. UTSA, UT Dallas, UT Arlington, Houston etc continue to siphon off their enrollments.
While I agree that Texas A&M - San Antonio has potential, I'm not so sure where the "continue to siphon off" statement comes from. It is not supported by the data. Unlike UND which has experienced a steady decline in total enrollment since Fall 2012 (https://dashboards.und.edu/idashboards/idb/html5?CMD=viewerLogin&loginType=guest&embedded=true&username=guest1&c=0&dashID=818), Sam Houston State enrollment is continuing to climb from 15,893 in 2006 to 21,224 in Fall 2018.
https://public.tableau.com/shared/HNRCKMGTZ?:display_count=no
https://www.shsu.edu/today@sam/T@S/article/2018/bucking-the-trend
Lamar's enrollment has restarted its climb following a 3% dip associated with Hurricane Harvey. https://www.lamar.edu/news-and-events/news/2017/10/enrollment-remains-strong-after-hurricanes-impact-on-region.html Long-term, the university experienced growth from a low point of 9,867 in 2006 to 14,783 in Fall 2018 despite several increases in admission standards. Fall 2016, one year before Harvey, saw a peak enrollment of 15,001.
https://www.lamar.edu/about-lu/dashboards/total-enrollment.html
To correct a few more things, Tarleton State is currently a member of DII Lone Star Conference; not the DI Southland Conference. Lamar and Sam Houston State are classed as National universities; not Regional.
Back to the topic, for Texas programs, I think if the WAC were on a path to FBS football, Sam Houston State and Lamar might be interested. As a possible FCS conference, I think the WAC would be limited to programs like Tarleton State exploring the possibility of moving up from DII to DI.
Lamar and Sam Houston St going FBS with the WAC is not allowed on this board due to some snowflake posters. Never said Tarleton St was a Southland school.
From the link, official UNDies numbers:
Year Overall Grad Undergrad
2019 13,112 2,615 10,497
2018 13,678 2,703 10,975
2017 13,927 2,672 11,255
2016 14,277 2,639 11,638
2015 14,244 2,645 11,599
2014 14,326 2,750 11,576
2013 14,378 2,667 11,711
2012 13,950 2,578 11,372
2011 13,458 2,433 11,025
RE: New School maybe - MidWestMidMajor - 02-25-2019 12:23 AM
(02-23-2019 05:41 PM)NoDak Wrote: The UMKC AD was talking in the student paper that there would be a big announcement in May.
I'm interested in that. I couldn't find anything about it. Do you remember any specifics about that announcement? Do you have a link?
RE: New School maybe - NoDak - 02-25-2019 06:24 AM
(02-24-2019 06:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:Very reminiscent of SIU, EIU, WIU and Chicago St in your mind.(02-24-2019 04:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:(02-24-2019 09:05 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:UND enrollment has not been going down, as it now is an official pilot trainer of Delta Airlines and United Airlines, where they automatically take aviation grads with a “B” average and has nearly insatiable demand for grads from the Bakken.(02-23-2019 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: Tx A&M San Antonio is scheduled to be at 25,000 students by 2025, and grow to 50k after that. The regional Texas schools like Sam Houston St, Lamar, Tarleton St and other Southland schools have something to worry about now, as they are no longer even poor 3rd choices. UTSA, UT Dallas, UT Arlington, Houston etc continue to siphon off their enrollments.
While I agree that Texas A&M - San Antonio has potential, I'm not so sure where the "continue to siphon off" statement comes from. It is not supported by the data. Unlike UND which has experienced a steady decline in total enrollment since Fall 2012 (https://dashboards.und.edu/idashboards/idb/html5?CMD=viewerLogin&loginType=guest&embedded=true&username=guest1&c=0&dashID=818), Sam Houston State enrollment is continuing to climb from 15,893 in 2006 to 21,224 in Fall 2018.
https://public.tableau.com/shared/HNRCKMGTZ?:display_count=no
https://www.shsu.edu/today@sam/T@S/article/2018/bucking-the-trend
Lamar's enrollment has restarted its climb following a 3% dip associated with Hurricane Harvey. https://www.lamar.edu/news-and-events/news/2017/10/enrollment-remains-strong-after-hurricanes-impact-on-region.html Long-term, the university experienced growth from a low point of 9,867 in 2006 to 14,783 in Fall 2018 despite several increases in admission standards. Fall 2016, one year before Harvey, saw a peak enrollment of 15,001.
https://www.lamar.edu/about-lu/dashboards/total-enrollment.html
To correct a few more things, Tarleton State is currently a member of DII Lone Star Conference; not the DI Southland Conference. Lamar and Sam Houston State are classed as National universities; not Regional.
Back to the topic, for Texas programs, I think if the WAC were on a path to FBS football, Sam Houston State and Lamar might be interested. As a possible FCS conference, I think the WAC would be limited to programs like Tarleton State exploring the possibility of moving up from DII to DI.
Lamar and Sam Houston St going FBS with the WAC is not allowed on this board due to some snowflake posters. Never said Tarleton St was a Southland school.
From the link, official UNDies numbers:
Year Overall Grad Undergrad
2019 13,112 2,615 10,497
2018 13,678 2,703 10,975
2017 13,927 2,672 11,255
2016 14,277 2,639 11,638
2015 14,244 2,645 11,599
2014 14,326 2,750 11,576
2013 14,378 2,667 11,711
2012 13,950 2,578 11,372
2011 13,458 2,433 11,025
The Minn St system is fighting back as almost all the enrollment “decrease” is due to them being more aggressive with marginal students.
RE: New School maybe - NoDak - 02-25-2019 06:27 AM
(02-25-2019 12:23 AM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote:(02-23-2019 05:41 PM)NoDak Wrote: The UMKC AD was talking in the student paper that there would be a big announcement in May.
I'm interested in that. I couldn't find anything about it. Do you remember any specifics about that announcement? Do you have a link?
There was a link in this section of the forum:
https://info.umkc.edu/unews/martin-lays-out-100-day-vision-for-athletics/
Any prediction that UMKC will be going D2 or the Summit will be refuted by his words.
RE: New School maybe - dbackjon - 02-25-2019 10:39 AM
(02-25-2019 06:24 AM)NoDak Wrote:(02-24-2019 06:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:Very reminiscent of SIU, EIU, WIU and Chicago St in your mind.(02-24-2019 04:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:(02-24-2019 09:05 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:UND enrollment has not been going down, as it now is an official pilot trainer of Delta Airlines and United Airlines, where they automatically take aviation grads with a “B” average and has nearly insatiable demand for grads from the Bakken.(02-23-2019 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: Tx A&M San Antonio is scheduled to be at 25,000 students by 2025, and grow to 50k after that. The regional Texas schools like Sam Houston St, Lamar, Tarleton St and other Southland schools have something to worry about now, as they are no longer even poor 3rd choices. UTSA, UT Dallas, UT Arlington, Houston etc continue to siphon off their enrollments.
While I agree that Texas A&M - San Antonio has potential, I'm not so sure where the "continue to siphon off" statement comes from. It is not supported by the data. Unlike UND which has experienced a steady decline in total enrollment since Fall 2012 (https://dashboards.und.edu/idashboards/idb/html5?CMD=viewerLogin&loginType=guest&embedded=true&username=guest1&c=0&dashID=818), Sam Houston State enrollment is continuing to climb from 15,893 in 2006 to 21,224 in Fall 2018.
https://public.tableau.com/shared/HNRCKMGTZ?:display_count=no
https://www.shsu.edu/today@sam/T@S/article/2018/bucking-the-trend
Lamar's enrollment has restarted its climb following a 3% dip associated with Hurricane Harvey. https://www.lamar.edu/news-and-events/news/2017/10/enrollment-remains-strong-after-hurricanes-impact-on-region.html Long-term, the university experienced growth from a low point of 9,867 in 2006 to 14,783 in Fall 2018 despite several increases in admission standards. Fall 2016, one year before Harvey, saw a peak enrollment of 15,001.
https://www.lamar.edu/about-lu/dashboards/total-enrollment.html
To correct a few more things, Tarleton State is currently a member of DII Lone Star Conference; not the DI Southland Conference. Lamar and Sam Houston State are classed as National universities; not Regional.
Back to the topic, for Texas programs, I think if the WAC were on a path to FBS football, Sam Houston State and Lamar might be interested. As a possible FCS conference, I think the WAC would be limited to programs like Tarleton State exploring the possibility of moving up from DII to DI.
Lamar and Sam Houston St going FBS with the WAC is not allowed on this board due to some snowflake posters. Never said Tarleton St was a Southland school.
From the link, official UNDies numbers:
Year Overall Grad Undergrad
2019 13,112 2,615 10,497
2018 13,678 2,703 10,975
2017 13,927 2,672 11,255
2016 14,277 2,639 11,638
2015 14,244 2,645 11,599
2014 14,326 2,750 11,576
2013 14,378 2,667 11,711
2012 13,950 2,578 11,372
2011 13,458 2,433 11,025
The Minn St system is fighting back as almost all the enrollment “decrease” is due to them being more aggressive with marginal students.
The king of the non-sequitors. Chicago State has been noted as a risk to close because of declining enrollment. The other Illinois schools have issues as well. None scream stability or growth, just like UND.
When confronted with FACTS that show you are wrong, you always change the subject.
RE: New School maybe - LUSportsFan - 02-25-2019 12:22 PM
(02-25-2019 10:39 AM)dbackjon Wrote:(02-25-2019 06:24 AM)NoDak Wrote:(02-24-2019 06:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:Very reminiscent of SIU, EIU, WIU and Chicago St in your mind.(02-24-2019 04:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:(02-24-2019 09:05 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote: While I agree that Texas A&M - San Antonio has potential, I'm not so sure where the "continue to siphon off" statement comes from. It is not supported by the data. Unlike UND which has experienced a steady decline in total enrollment since Fall 2012 (https://dashboards.und.edu/idashboards/idb/html5?CMD=viewerLogin&loginType=guest&embedded=true&username=guest1&c=0&dashID=818), Sam Houston State enrollment is continuing to climb from 15,893 in 2006 to 21,224 in Fall 2018.UND enrollment has not been going down, as it now is an official pilot trainer of Delta Airlines and United Airlines, where they automatically take aviation grads with a “B” average and has nearly insatiable demand for grads from the Bakken.
https://public.tableau.com/shared/HNRCKMGTZ?:display_count=no
https://www.shsu.edu/today@sam/T@S/article/2018/bucking-the-trend
Lamar's enrollment has restarted its climb following a 3% dip associated with Hurricane Harvey. https://www.lamar.edu/news-and-events/news/2017/10/enrollment-remains-strong-after-hurricanes-impact-on-region.html Long-term, the university experienced growth from a low point of 9,867 in 2006 to 14,783 in Fall 2018 despite several increases in admission standards. Fall 2016, one year before Harvey, saw a peak enrollment of 15,001.
https://www.lamar.edu/about-lu/dashboards/total-enrollment.html
To correct a few more things, Tarleton State is currently a member of DII Lone Star Conference; not the DI Southland Conference. Lamar and Sam Houston State are classed as National universities; not Regional.
Back to the topic, for Texas programs, I think if the WAC were on a path to FBS football, Sam Houston State and Lamar might be interested. As a possible FCS conference, I think the WAC would be limited to programs like Tarleton State exploring the possibility of moving up from DII to DI.
Lamar and Sam Houston St going FBS with the WAC is not allowed on this board due to some snowflake posters. Never said Tarleton St was a Southland school.
From the link, official UNDies numbers:
Year Overall Grad Undergrad
2019 13,112 2,615 10,497
2018 13,678 2,703 10,975
2017 13,927 2,672 11,255
2016 14,277 2,639 11,638
2015 14,244 2,645 11,599
2014 14,326 2,750 11,576
2013 14,378 2,667 11,711
2012 13,950 2,578 11,372
2011 13,458 2,433 11,025
The Minn St system is fighting back as almost all the enrollment “decrease” is due to them being more aggressive with marginal students.
The king of the non-sequitors. Chicago State has been noted as a risk to close because of declining enrollment. The other Illinois schools have issues as well. None scream stability or growth, just like UND.
When confronted with FACTS that show you are wrong, you always change the subject.
Looking a little more in depth with the numbers, UND, like many other universities has made changes which impact year to year enrollment totals on a short term basis. Here are some
explaining the Fall 2018 enrollment drop. They seem reasonable to me, and they don't indicate a systemic problem affecting long term enrollment. Other years enrollment drops like the one in Fall 2016 were due, in part, to increases in academic standards. Here's a summary of the Fall 2018 drop.
1. The record class from Fall 2012 graduated. Fall 2012 enrollment jumped by 600 students. This would be similar to my generation, the Baby Boomers, as our bump in population has rippled through the years.
2. Normalization of hours required to graduate to match other universities - allowed 350 students who would have been back for the Fall 2018 semester to graduate earlier.
3. Shift of emphasis from Master's programs to Doctoral programs.
http://blogs.und.edu/und-today/2018/09/class-above/
Back to the topic - To get this back to the thread's main topic, "New School maybe", taking the easy way out of looking only at the raw numbers can sometimes lead to a bad decision. Sometimes short term declines in total enrollment may actually be a good thing if those declines are caused by changes which provide long term benefits. One would hope the decision makers are looking out for situations like systemic declines in enrollments despite attempts to "right the ship", declining budgets, or declining state support for public universities. Each of these could lead to long term adverse impacts resulting in a weakened prospective member.
RE: New School maybe - PojoaquePosse - 02-25-2019 12:43 PM
(02-25-2019 12:22 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:(02-25-2019 10:39 AM)dbackjon Wrote:(02-25-2019 06:24 AM)NoDak Wrote:(02-24-2019 06:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:Very reminiscent of SIU, EIU, WIU and Chicago St in your mind.(02-24-2019 04:17 PM)NoDak Wrote: UND enrollment has not been going down, as it now is an official pilot trainer of Delta Airlines and United Airlines, where they automatically take aviation grads with a “B” average and has nearly insatiable demand for grads from the Bakken.
Lamar and Sam Houston St going FBS with the WAC is not allowed on this board due to some snowflake posters. Never said Tarleton St was a Southland school.
From the link, official UNDies numbers:
Year Overall Grad Undergrad
2019 13,112 2,615 10,497
2018 13,678 2,703 10,975
2017 13,927 2,672 11,255
2016 14,277 2,639 11,638
2015 14,244 2,645 11,599
2014 14,326 2,750 11,576
2013 14,378 2,667 11,711
2012 13,950 2,578 11,372
2011 13,458 2,433 11,025
The Minn St system is fighting back as almost all the enrollment “decrease” is due to them being more aggressive with marginal students.
The king of the non-sequitors. Chicago State has been noted as a risk to close because of declining enrollment. The other Illinois schools have issues as well. None scream stability or growth, just like UND.
When confronted with FACTS that show you are wrong, you always change the subject.
Looking a little more in depth with the numbers, UND, like many other universities has made changes which impact year to year enrollment totals on a short term basis. Here are some
explaining the Fall 2018 enrollment drop. They seem reasonable to me, and they don't indicate a systemic problem affecting long term enrollment. Other years enrollment drops like the one in Fall 2016 were due, in part, to increases in academic standards. Here's a summary of the Fall 2018 drop.
1. The record class from Fall 2012 graduated. Fall 2012 enrollment jumped by 600 students. This would be similar to my generation, the Baby Boomers, as our bump in population has rippled through the years.
2. Normalization of hours required to graduate to match other universities - allowed 350 students who would have been back for the Fall 2018 semester to graduate earlier.
3. Shift of emphasis from Master's programs to Doctoral programs.
http://blogs.und.edu/und-today/2018/09/class-above/
Back to the topic - To get this back to the thread's main topic, "New School maybe", taking the easy way out of looking only at the raw numbers can sometimes lead to a bad decision. Sometimes short term declines in total enrollment may actually be a good thing if those declines are caused by changes which provide long term benefits. One would hope the decision makers are looking out for situations like systemic declines in enrollments despite attempts to "right the ship", declining budgets, or declining state support for public universities. Each of these could lead to long term adverse impacts resulting in a weakened prospective member.
The WAC is looking for warm bodies, period. Everyone is overthinking all of this. In any case, can we kill this thread? It went of the rails eons ago.
RE: New School maybe - NMSUPistolPete - 02-25-2019 01:47 PM
I wish we could keep these threads to WAC specific conversations with credible information on possible expansion; not some posters speculation based off some ambiguous actions by a school.
RE: New School maybe - dancingNMSUaggie - 02-25-2019 02:30 PM
(02-25-2019 12:43 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:(02-25-2019 12:22 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:(02-25-2019 10:39 AM)dbackjon Wrote:(02-25-2019 06:24 AM)NoDak Wrote:(02-24-2019 06:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:Very reminiscent of SIU, EIU, WIU and Chicago St in your mind.
From the link, official UNDies numbers:
Year Overall Grad Undergrad
2019 13,112 2,615 10,497
2018 13,678 2,703 10,975
2017 13,927 2,672 11,255
2016 14,277 2,639 11,638
2015 14,244 2,645 11,599
2014 14,326 2,750 11,576
2013 14,378 2,667 11,711
2012 13,950 2,578 11,372
2011 13,458 2,433 11,025
The Minn St system is fighting back as almost all the enrollment “decrease” is due to them being more aggressive with marginal students.
The king of the non-sequitors. Chicago State has been noted as a risk to close because of declining enrollment. The other Illinois schools have issues as well. None scream stability or growth, just like UND.
When confronted with FACTS that show you are wrong, you always change the subject.
Looking a little more in depth with the numbers, UND, like many other universities has made changes which impact year to year enrollment totals on a short term basis. Here are some
explaining the Fall 2018 enrollment drop. They seem reasonable to me, and they don't indicate a systemic problem affecting long term enrollment. Other years enrollment drops like the one in Fall 2016 were due, in part, to increases in academic standards. Here's a summary of the Fall 2018 drop.
1. The record class from Fall 2012 graduated. Fall 2012 enrollment jumped by 600 students. This would be similar to my generation, the Baby Boomers, as our bump in population has rippled through the years.
2. Normalization of hours required to graduate to match other universities - allowed 350 students who would have been back for the Fall 2018 semester to graduate earlier.
3. Shift of emphasis from Master's programs to Doctoral programs.
http://blogs.und.edu/und-today/2018/09/class-above/
Back to the topic - To get this back to the thread's main topic, "New School maybe", taking the easy way out of looking only at the raw numbers can sometimes lead to a bad decision. Sometimes short term declines in total enrollment may actually be a good thing if those declines are caused by changes which provide long term benefits. One would hope the decision makers are looking out for situations like systemic declines in enrollments despite attempts to "right the ship", declining budgets, or declining state support for public universities. Each of these could lead to long term adverse impacts resulting in a weakened prospective member.
The WAC is looking for warm bodies, period. Everyone is overthinking all of this. In any case, can we kill this thread? It went of the rails eons ago.
Exactly. I just love it when the same guys get on here and start throwing $hit against the wall and wanting it to stick. Throwing out all these schools that have no desire to move or really don't have the circumstances is ridiculous.