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Elon Game - Zorch - 09-08-2018 03:35 PM
This is the game that will make or break our season. There are many positives to take from the Tech game (mostly Shon's progression) and Elon is not good enough to take advantage of the Tribe's defense, as Tech did.
Win it -- and the Tribe will get a lot of momentum!
RE: Elon Game - TribeNomad - 09-08-2018 03:42 PM
(09-08-2018 03:35 PM)Zorch Wrote: This is the game that will make or break our season. There are many positives to take from the Tech game (mostly Shon's progression) and Elon is not good enough to take advantage of the Tribe's defense, as Tech did.
Win it -- and the Tribe will get a lot of momentum!
They are a good team, have beaten us the last two years. Their game today against a good Furman team will be interesting.
RE: Elon Game - TheRealTribe - 09-08-2018 03:59 PM
If they win today against a ranked Furman team and teams ahead lose they could be Top 10 or very close to it when they come to Zable next week.
Going to be a huge game either way.
RE: Elon Game - TribePride52 - 09-08-2018 04:05 PM
Possibly won’t be played on Saturday. Hurricane Florence is coming around the Carolinas and might possibly head to VA.
RE: Elon Game - Tribeheart - 09-08-2018 04:11 PM
Don't think this will break the season. I think we will continue to improve with a possible chance to run the table after Elon and JMU. A win next weekend will simply put them ahead of the curve.
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RE: Elon Game - TheRealTribe - 09-08-2018 07:59 PM
Elon destroyed Furman. Going to be a tough matchup.
RE: Elon Game - bubbadog57 - 09-09-2018 05:29 AM
Big, big game for our guys. We'll be solid underdogs and loss will probably mean a 1-4 start and a big drop in confidence. Elon is good and has whipped us the past two seasons.
Mitchell and offense showed glimpses of offense against Tech and we'll need for them to continue their positive advancement from the ineffective doldrums of last year. Defense will have to regroup quickly
after being totally overwhelmed by Virginia Tech.
RE: Elon Game - Tribe32 - 09-09-2018 07:11 AM
I wouldn't call a 25-17 loss to Elon at Elon being whipped last year, but they appear to have a good offense this season. Weather now appears to be a big factor for the weekend.
RE: Elon Game - wrnbldg - 09-09-2018 11:15 AM
HUGE game! Though we could make a rum at 1-3, I think we must win this game to prove we have turned the corner from last year. It’s been way too long since a big win over a ranked opponent in Zable.
RE: Elon Game - wmmii - 09-09-2018 11:18 AM
(09-08-2018 04:05 PM)TribePride52 Wrote: Possibly won’t be played on Saturday. Hurricane Florence is coming around the Carolinas and might possibly head to VA.
We are on the edge of the projected eye but NC is in the bullseye. Therefore the bigger issue is if Elon will travel early and beat the storm or get stuck in the aftermath to travel. Hopefully we can get everything cleaned up for a 6pm kick off on Saturday or play a Sunday game?
RE: Elon Game - tribefbfan - 09-09-2018 11:26 AM
Elon played their FBS game pretty well, holding a quality USF team to 34 points. Then blowing out #21 Furman 45-7.
I do not think yesterday’s defensive performance is an indicator of their potential. VT is going to make some power 5 teams look really silly this year. I think our guys will come out and make a strong statement against Elon.
Offensively, we have the talent as well to score points, but we haven’t clicked. Again, up front it was a total mismatch yesterday, so I could be too quick with my assessment. But take away three plays in our first two games and we’ve totaled 10 points.
I don’t think we can rely on 60 + yard plays to score points and win games in the CAA.
I’d like to see a quicker pace. Our line is young and not physically matured yet. If we can’t out muscle the opponent, we certainly can out finesse them. We sub almost on every play, slowing the pace of play and putting our most dynamic and reliable players on the sideline. I get the need to sub when you have receivers running 25-30 yards every play in 90 degree heat. Keep these guys on the field for a few first downs, go fast, run quick short routes. The guys can pmake yardage after the catch.
Our QB has demonstrated he is ready. There are a few receivers ready for this too. We need to generate more plays to all of the playmakers, and putting more points on the board.
RE: Elon Game - zablenoise - 09-09-2018 02:44 PM
(09-09-2018 11:26 AM)tribefbfan Wrote: I don’t think we can rely on 60 + yard plays to score points and win games in the CAA.
I actually think we can (to an extent obviously). Our downfield blocking may be the greatest strength of our offense and DeVonte is a an absolute game breaker.
RE: Elon Game - tribefbfan - 09-09-2018 03:10 PM
(09-09-2018 02:44 PM)zablenoise Wrote:(09-09-2018 11:26 AM)tribefbfan Wrote: I don’t think we can rely on 60 + yard plays to score points and win games in the CAA.
I actually think we can (to an extent obviously). Our downfield blocking may be the greatest strength of our offense and DeVonte is a an absolute game breaker.
We’ll just have to disagree.
We need a run game. If we can’t find one we need to use all of our playmakers to move the ball. As great as DeVonte is and has been in two games this year, he can’t do it himself and there are plenty of guys that can contribute.
RE: Elon Game - TribePride91 - 09-09-2018 03:40 PM
The difference between a win at home over Elon, breaking the long CAA losing streak and a loss heading on the road to JMU is massive. A win, and there is a chance for 3-2 or 4-1 through September. A loss, and the Tribe is looking at 1-3, 0-2 potentially. All the home games need to be won if a great season is on the horizon. Weather could easily force problems or cancellation (which happened back in 2003 leaving the Tribe(vs Maine) that year at 5-5). Let's hope for the safety of those in NC and SC as well as the Virginia coast, that Florence moves well out into the Atlantic and doesn't hit land.
Elon Game - Tribal - 09-09-2018 04:41 PM
We have a run game. Just not against VT.
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RE: Elon Game - zablenoise - 09-09-2018 09:01 PM
(09-09-2018 04:41 PM)Tribal Wrote: We have a run game. Just not against VT.
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One thing I think will help (wouldn't have made a difference in Blacksburg) is for Funderburke to hit the hole and grind out yards. It seems that he sometimes is looking for the bigger play but those 3 and 4 yard gains will add up over the course of the game.
I really like how Wright has looked. Tons of buzz coming out of camp and he's looked solid so far.
RE: Elon Game - Rocco - 09-09-2018 09:33 PM
(09-09-2018 02:44 PM)zablenoise Wrote:(09-09-2018 11:26 AM)tribefbfan Wrote: I don’t think we can rely on 60 + yard plays to score points and win games in the CAA.
I actually think we can (to an extent obviously). Our downfield blocking may be the greatest strength of our offense and DeVonte is a an absolute game breaker.
Most of the metrics used tend to value efficiency over explosiveness but (IMO) if you struggle with explosiveness the efficiency will suffer. Defenses will figure out you can't threaten them 20 yards down the field and load up the LOS. The inverse of that is probably true but not to the same degree- teams can scheme up big plays/downfield shots and it's easier to hit one big play instead of a lot of little ones. The fancy stats love 14 play drives because if you have the ball the other team doesn't.
RE: Elon Game - tribefbfan - 09-09-2018 09:42 PM
I think you all are missing my point. I know that rushing the ball against the VT defensive front was going to be a challenge.
So take that out. We rushed for 81 yards, averaged 2 yards per carry against Bucknell. Sacred Heart had two players over 100 yards (178 & 106), as a unit rushed for 261 yards, 5.2 per carry against Bucknell. I’d like to think this program is better than Sacred Heart.
This is not because we don’t have outstanding running backs, we do.
We lost two NFL linemen, then lost two starters for whatever reason. Our line will mature and get better, but it is not a dominating unit for us at this time.
This is not a shot at a position group. It is a realistic view at this time. They will get better, but honestly I think they are a year away. When two freshmen can come in and play that says a lot about them. They are still 18-19 yr old bodies competing against 21-23 year old bodies.
Help them get better by reducing the time the need to engage their defender. Get the ball out quick the Dedmon, Evans, Armstrong, Muse. Pound it north and south with Funderburke and Wright. Quick, fast tempo offense.
Our playmakers need more touches. Speeding up the offense will create more plays, creating more opportunitues for big plays.
RE: Elon Game - tribefbfan - 09-09-2018 09:57 PM
(09-09-2018 09:33 PM)Rocco Wrote:(09-09-2018 02:44 PM)zablenoise Wrote:(09-09-2018 11:26 AM)tribefbfan Wrote: I don’t think we can rely on 60 + yard plays to score points and win games in the CAA.
I actually think we can (to an extent obviously). Our downfield blocking may be the greatest strength of our offense and DeVonte is a an absolute game breaker.
Most of the metrics used tend to value efficiency over explosiveness but (IMO) if you struggle with explosiveness the efficiency will suffer. Defenses will figure out you can't threaten them 20 yards down the field and load up the LOS. The inverse of that is probably true but not to the same degree- teams can scheme up big plays/downfield shots and it's easier to hit one big play instead of a lot of little ones. The fancy stats love 14 play drives because if you have the ball the other team doesn't.
The three plays this year that have lead to a score or scored we’re pass plays under 10 yards, two behind the line of scrimmage. We don’t have to trade explosiveness for efficiency. It’s not an either or thing, especially with the talent we have at the skill positions.
RE: Elon Game - zablenoise - 09-09-2018 10:04 PM
(09-09-2018 09:42 PM)tribefbfan Wrote: Help them get better by reducing the time the need to engage their defender. Get the ball out quick the Dedmon, Evans, Armstrong, Muse. Pound it north and south with Funderburke and Wright. Quick, fast tempo offense.
I strongly agree with this and it's exactly why I want Funderburke to hit the hole harder. We absolutely have the speed on the edges but we need a consistent presence pounding the middle. Opens up the edges and gives the line tons of confidence.