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Good news everyone - DrachenFire - 05-04-2018 01:46 PM





RE: Good news everyone - hiroshimacarp - 05-05-2018 12:56 PM

I am bothered by this. maybe it's just me being ready to be done with the conference I'm at. I think this is hour 22 of 24 hours of lecture in 3 days.

correct me if I'm wrong...but isabell would ask for a release to transfer to another team. that's the only thing I can think of. this is after he declared himself as eligible for the nba draft.

so I have to ask the question...who does he think he is? he's a great player AT THIS LEVEL but beyond the caa he is an undersized guard who I don't see as any type of high division 1 prospect. I definitely don't see him as an nba prospect. maybe he's a jj barea type who I also didn't think would amount to much. he stuck it out at northeastern, still got drafted, and still became a productive nba player. isabell certainly isn't a legit prospect like damion lee.

he should've stayed at Drexel in my opinion. he comes off as delusional lately and showed no loyalty to coach spiker who gave him a chance. usually I side with athletes who want to transfer...but this makes me think the ncaa is onto something with their transfer rules. I don't think he should be allowed to go somewhere and play after he just transferred in here. somebody needs to teach him some loyalty and keep him from making bad decisions.

hopefully coach spiker has learned his lesson that he can't trust these kids. he needs to build the program with a solid foundation of his own recruits. I'm really not liking what I'm seeing from his guys and his transfers are blowing up in his face. maybe I'm over-reacting but we went from a possible caa contender to a doormat with this move. suddenly we're way off schedule from any type of rebuild.


RE: Good news everyone - MedicSBK - 05-05-2018 02:41 PM

I think we need to keep a few things in mind..

First off, I agree that I dont think Tramaine will be as successful at a higher level than the CAA. He will realize that the first time some 6'10 PAC-10 center tosses one of his layups to center court. Dont get me wrong, I'm thrilled with what he did last season, and I wish him the best, I just fear that he's biting off more than he can chew.

As for trusting the kids, again, no offense to anyone involved in recruitment etc. but there were some red flags from the start here. Tramaine is doing what is best for Tramaine, and maybe that's a good thing for Drexel basketball. Only time will tell.

As for the CAA, this is now three big losses for the conference: Isabell, Zane Martin and Ryan Daly. Let's not forget that Justin Wright-Foreman also declared for the draft. He's got a better chance than Isabell but lucky for Hofstra, he isnt in a "transfer and play" situation like Tramaine.


RE: Good news everyone - hiroshimacarp - 05-05-2018 09:32 PM

It would be good for Drexel if Spiker learns from his mistakes. I think of transfers as bridging a team to recruits that need time to develop. I’m not sure we have any of the above headed into year 3. I’m starting to think it might take a miracle to get this turned around in the next 2-3 years.


RE: Good news everyone - fredsavage - 05-06-2018 09:34 AM

(05-05-2018 09:32 PM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  It would be good for Drexel if Spiker learns from his mistakes. I think of transfers as bridging a team to recruits that need time to develop. I’m not sure we have any of the above headed into year 3. I’m starting to think it might take a miracle to get this turned around in the next 2-3 years.


well this years class is a juco transfer ... a grad transfer that averaged 9 minutes a game on a 9-22 team ... and a HS kid with no d1 offers.

spiker is going into year 3 of the great drexel basketball rebuild

if they dont win this year ... what do you think the recruiting profile will look like for a coach heading into contract year, that hasnt won, that plays in front of no fans????


RE: Good news everyone - bmf25 - 05-07-2018 07:42 AM

Drexel Basketball Scorecard

Facilities - Grade: F
- The Armory is being renovated into a Squash Center
- The DAC is one of the worst D-1 basketball venues

TV/Media - Grade: F
- No TV appearances

On Court Success - Grade: F
- No CAA Championships
- No NCAA Tournament Appearances in 22 years
- Consistently ranked one of the worst D-1 teams

Recruiting - Grade: F
- Spiker has only recruited 1 star players
- Leading scorer Tramaine Isabell announces intent to transfer

Culture - Grade: F
- With the departure of Bruiser, the program no longer has a culture or identity. Spiker has no Philadelphia ties, and can't recruit in the Northeast.
- After winning two national championships, Ashley Howard signs with LaSalle to coach in Philadelphia


RE: Good news everyone - fredsavage - 05-07-2018 08:43 AM

(05-07-2018 07:42 AM)bmf25 Wrote:  Drexel Basketball Scorecard

Facilities - Grade: F
- The Armory is being renovated into a Squash Center
- The DAC is one of the worst D-1 basketball venues

TV/Media - Grade: F
- No TV appearances

On Court Success - Grade: F
- No CAA Championships
- No NCAA Tournament Appearances in 22 years
- Consistently ranked one of the worst D-1 teams

Recruiting - Grade: F
- Spiker has only recruited 1 star players
- Leading scorer Tramaine Isabell announces intent to transfer

Culture - Grade: F
- With the departure of Bruiser, the program no longer has a culture or identity. Spiker has no Philadelphia ties, and can't recruit in the Northeast.
- After winning two national championships, Ashley Howard signs with LaSalle to coach in Philadelphia

meanwhile this guy keeps his job because ... optics

https://twitter.com/GoDragonsAD/status/993186132685934592

"Emotions were high at @worldcafelive for @DrexelWrestling’s postseason banquet. Top 25 team, No. 8 in nation in GPA, No. 1 #Drexel24 Day of Giving. Great year!"


RE: Good news everyone - jcohen42 - 05-07-2018 09:12 AM

I'd give On Court Success about a C, especially if we're talking about the past decade. This is not a school set up for athletic success, so I have no expectations. They're in a solid mid-major conference and have had winning seasons. It doesn't move the needle but it's not a complete failure either, unless your expectations are too high for a pretty unknown mid-major university that's sixth in terms of historical recognition in its own city.

Recruiting I'd give a D, while he hasn't really done well in this regard, he's also gotten pretty unlucky. If he learns from the Isabell fiasco then this is going to improve.

Culture I'd give no lower than a D; Howard signing with La Salle is not a complete failure for the program. The A-10 is a bigger conference than the CAA, getting an alum to coach there has positives.

The state of Drexel men's basketball is pretty bad right now, but your hot takes are still a vast overreaction. Or maybe I just don't care enough about the program to think that it can and should be one of the top mid-major teams in the country year in and year out. But it keeps me from being disappointed all the time, so maybe you should try it, lol.


RE: Good news everyone - fredsavage - 05-07-2018 03:01 PM

top mid major teams in the country year in and year out?

id take "top team in the caa once every 20 years"

in the 6 years since the big 3 left the caa:
- james madison has won a caa title
- delaware has won a caa title (old america east foe)
- northeastern has won a caa title (urban non football school)
- charleston has won a caa title ("urban" non football school)
- william and mary has appeared in 2 caa title games (academic-first school)

meanwhile at drexel...


RE: Good news everyone - bmf25 - 05-07-2018 03:23 PM

Lets ignore the CAA titles for a second, the program is consistently losing to absolutely abyssal teams.

NJIT, Loyola-MD, Elon, Bowling Green, Robert Morris, Mercer, Drake

Ashley Howard would have been able to recruit Chris Fouch, Frantz, Damion Lee caliber players to the DAC again. Someone should offer Bruiser an apology and a 5 year contract to return.


RE: Good news everyone - Dragon For Life - 05-07-2018 05:32 PM

Nice cherry picking of loses.. Elon is in the conference. Robert Morris and NJIT are good schools now.


RE: Good news everyone - jcohen42 - 05-07-2018 05:39 PM

Bruiser never won anything of consequence either, why do we want him back? Wanting a better recruiter is valid, but bringing Bruiser back would be a massive setback.


RE: Good news everyone - bmf25 - 05-07-2018 06:42 PM

(05-07-2018 05:39 PM)jcohen42 Wrote:  Bruiser never won anything of consequence either, why do we want him back? Wanting a better recruiter is valid, but bringing Bruiser back would be a massive setback.

Bruiser at least put a decent D-1 product on the floor. Frantz/Fouch might not be Duke caliber, but both were talented and entertaining to watch. Bruiser had some solid wins over the years, and always kept Drexel basketball in the media.

On the other hand, Spiker has an unwatchable product on the court. He certainly can't recruit D-1 talent to Drexel, and doesn't understand the importance of creating a brand/culture. Come to Drexel if you don't have any other offers! We have high school facilities, no tv exposure, and lower attendance than nearby high schools.



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"Drexel basketball is like a ship with a hole in the bottom, leaking water and Spiker's job is to get the ship pointed in the right direction"


RE: Good news everyone - hiroshimacarp - 05-07-2018 09:18 PM

(05-07-2018 06:42 PM)bmf25 Wrote:  On the other hand, Spiker has an unwatchable product on the court. He certainly can't recruit D-1 talent to Drexel, and doesn't understand the importance of creating a brand/culture.

i usually have no problem letting you ramble on and in actually most cases i agree with you. i disagree though that spiker isn't trying to change culture. he's out on the court before the games motivating the players and interacting with the crowd. the way he has the fans circle the team during warmups is the closest thing to a tradition we've ever had. he was at the women's caa title game and not sitting in box but in the stands like the rest of us.

i really think he's making an effort to change culture. that's why i want him to succeed. perhaps...as you have pointed out many times...it's the people above him that are more to blame.


RE: Good news everyone - fredsavage - 05-08-2018 07:27 AM

i remember when the bruiser era got really bad, there were groups like 'concerned fans of drexel basketball'

are they still around? are people no longer concerned?

new coach, same issues


RE: Good news everyone - J.B. - 05-08-2018 08:24 AM

I'm trying to avoid falling into your little troll trap..

However, to say that he can't recruit at the D-1 level with such a small sample size at Drexel to work with is downright laughable.

Facts...
Spiker was an assistant at Cornell from 2004-2009. He was one of the main recruiters on the staff and was largely responsible for putting a dominant team on the court that won 3 straight Ivy League titles and a trip to the Sweet 16. And this wasn't at Penn or Princeton. This was at Cornell, which is a school that had historically little to no success in Men's Basketball throughout their history.


RE: Good news everyone - DrachenFire - 05-08-2018 08:38 AM

(05-07-2018 09:18 PM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  
(05-07-2018 06:42 PM)bmf25 Wrote:  On the other hand, Spiker has an unwatchable product on the court. He certainly can't recruit D-1 talent to Drexel, and doesn't understand the importance of creating a brand/culture.

i usually have no problem letting you ramble on and in actually most cases i agree with you. i disagree though that spiker isn't trying to change culture. he's out on the court before the games motivating the players and interacting with the crowd. the way he has the fans circle the team during warmups is the closest thing to a tradition we've ever had. he was at the women's caa title game and not sitting in box but in the stands like the rest of us.

i really think he's making an effort to change culture. that's why i want him to succeed. perhaps...as you have pointed out many times...it's the people above him that are more to blame.

Yeah, you can rip on Spiker for things, but culture is not one of them. Bringing the students down for the shell drill pregame is a cool thing that has the chance to grow into something special and the Gold Jersey games are a bit corny, but a nice touch. Looking to establish a culture is something he brought from Army:
Quote:When Army basketball Coach Zach Spiker sits at his office desk, it is impossible for someone sitting across from him not to notice the dozen ring-sizers that dangle from the shelf behind him.

“Brought them from Cornell,” he likes to say. “We used them there. All our guys know that the goal is to use them here.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/kryzyzewski-knight-coached-at-army-no-ncaa-tournament-teams-have-played-there/2016/01/31/70a5dc50-c7ae-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html?utm_term=.88c65814e7f2

The coach isn't the one that decided, when new banners for the DAC were ordered, to not replace the championship banners from the ECC and NAC years and instead go with a sole CAA Regular Season championship banner.

According to this, the culture for the entire school needs renewal:
https://www.thetriangle.org/opinion/school-need-spirit-because-organizations-need-support/

Unfortunately, space that isn't providing lucrative ground lease payments seems to be considered wasted space at the moment.


RE: Good news everyone - hiroshimacarp - 05-08-2018 08:38 AM

(05-08-2018 07:27 AM)fredsavage Wrote:  i remember when the bruiser era got really bad, there were groups like 'concerned fans of drexel basketball'

are they still around? are people no longer concerned?

new coach, same issues

I was president and CEO of the group. I think it’s still up. I tried to delete it since honestly it’s not something i’m proud of. The Fake Zilmer twitter account is way better.

Am I concerned? Yes. Am I angry like I was a few years ago? No. Maybe I should have called it “Angry Fans...” and maybe I should have directed more if it towards Zilmer, Frey, etc. I was overseas so wasn’t getting to see the bigger picture.


RE: Good news everyone - J.B. - 05-08-2018 08:49 AM

(05-08-2018 08:38 AM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 07:27 AM)fredsavage Wrote:  i remember when the bruiser era got really bad, there were groups like 'concerned fans of drexel basketball'

are they still around? are people no longer concerned?

new coach, same issues

I was president and CEO of the group. I think it’s still up. I tried to delete it since honestly it’s not something i’m proud of. The Fake Zilmer twitter account is way better.

Am I concerned? Yes. Am I angry like I was a few years ago? No. Maybe I should have called it “Angry Fans...” and maybe I should have directed more if it towards Zilmer, Frey, etc. I was overseas so wasn’t getting to see the bigger picture.

Or maybe you realize that you have a life and/or have mellowed after having a kid. Drexel Basketball is an entertainment source but it's not something to control our lives. Sports is a bunch of games, and there's no reason than anybody should ever get angry over things that we as fans have no control over.


RE: Good news everyone - bmf25 - 05-08-2018 11:27 AM

(05-08-2018 08:24 AM)J.B. Wrote:  Spiker was an assistant at Cornell from 2004-2009. He was one of the main recruiters on the staff and was largely responsible for putting a dominant team on the court that won 3 straight Ivy League titles and a trip to the Sweet 16. And this wasn't at Penn or Princeton. This was at Cornell, which is a school that had historically little to no success in Men's Basketball throughout their history.

You just proved my point about culture! Drexel is not Cornell or West Point, the skills necessary to recruit at Cornell and West Point are vastly different from Drexel. The lack of awareness about cultural fit is a bit alarming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmm3KTa601s