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RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - bmf25 - 03-04-2018 10:10 PM With the current product on the court, Drexel would be foolish to market the men's basketball program. The casual fan associates Drexel with the 2007 & 2012 teams, you do not want the casual fans to attend a game in our current state. Why attend a Drexel game when Temple, St Joes, UPenn, and Villanova are down the street? I'd rather visit the Mutter Museum on 22nd St than watch Drexel vs Elon. Side Note: Minor league sports typically do not have local entertainment competition. The Hershey Bears are competing with local movie theatres... Drexel is offering a poor product in a competitive market. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - hiroshimacarp - 03-04-2018 10:29 PM I agree with everything jb said. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - hiroshimacarp - 03-04-2018 10:40 PM Even if we’re not very good right now we play in exciting games. My first DAC game was vs UNCW. I couldn’t have picked out Brett Blizzard in a police lineup. Didn’t care about UNCW. But it was a hell of a game with a great atmosphere so I kept coming back. Which I guess highlights the need to get the DAC Pack back on board. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - bmf25 - 03-05-2018 04:42 AM (03-04-2018 08:12 PM)J.B. Wrote:(03-04-2018 07:51 PM)bmf25 Wrote: Drexel's OOC schedule should consist of only these programs: Vermont Basketball Resume NCAA Tournament Recent Appearances: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2010, 2012, 2017 2018 RPI:56 2017 RPI:45 Basketball Budget: $1,579,502 Drexel Basketball Resume NCAA Tournament Recent Appearances: none 2018 RPI: 240 2017 RPI: 309 Basketball Budget: $2,618,412 RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - J.B. - 03-05-2018 07:54 AM (03-04-2018 10:10 PM)bmf25 Wrote: With the current product on the court, Drexel would be foolish to market the men's basketball program. The casual fan associates Drexel with the 2007 & 2012 teams, you do not want the casual fans to attend a game in our current state. Why attend a Drexel game when Temple, St Joes, UPenn, and Villanova are down the street? I'd rather visit the Mutter Museum on 22nd St than watch Drexel vs Elon. So what you're suggesting is that since Drexel had a few bad years on the court, that they should give up and stop trying? If you market to kids and families and give them an incentive to show up, then they will come regardless of the record. A 10 year old kid who is given the chance to play basketball at halftime on the court or sing the national anthem on the court isn't going to care if Drexel is in last place or playing a team from North Carolina. The memory of the opportunity will dwarf that. The Reading Fightin Phils are one of the most successful MiLB teams in the country and it's all due to marketing. Even when the F'n Phils are having a bad season, the seats are still filled. I was driving home from a game and listening to the postgame, and the announcer said "Tough loss for the R-Phils tonight as it hurts their playoff chances". I'm thinking that 90% of the fans didn't even know that the team was in a playoff hunt. They were their for the fun atmosphere. There's no reason why Drexel Basketball can't take the same marketing approach as MiLB teams do. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - fredsavage - 03-05-2018 08:47 AM (03-05-2018 07:54 AM)J.B. Wrote:(03-04-2018 10:10 PM)bmf25 Wrote: With the current product on the court, Drexel would be foolish to market the men's basketball program. The casual fan associates Drexel with the 2007 & 2012 teams, you do not want the casual fans to attend a game in our current state. Why attend a Drexel game when Temple, St Joes, UPenn, and Villanova are down the street? I'd rather visit the Mutter Museum on 22nd St than watch Drexel vs Elon. correct! and the "only game in town" argument is not valid. plenty of mid-majors in urban areas that draw well. Loyola-Chicago for example. just takes effort and creativity. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - relaxing - 03-05-2018 11:05 AM (03-04-2018 09:03 PM)J.B. Wrote: Now that I've had a few days to digest this, I'm going to give you my thoughts on what Drexel needs to do to help attendance.Quoting this so people keep seeing it. Great post, JB. I had no idea things had gotten this bad. I'm amazed some of these things aren't happening, things I would have taken for granted that once started you'd just continue. I know the AD doesn't think MBB is a good investment, but there's no reason why it should be neglected like this. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - DrachenFire - 03-05-2018 01:06 PM (03-05-2018 11:05 AM)relaxing Wrote: I'm amazed some of these things aren't happening, things I would have taken for granted that once started you'd just continue. I know the AD doesn't think MBB is a good investment, but there's no reason why it should be neglected like this. Agree that JB's post was excellent, although I don't personally agree 100% with his third point, but I want to tie my response in with this post from another thread: (02-25-2018 09:00 AM)fredsavage Wrote: players have changed I'm about as far removed from being a Big Z fan as you can get, but there is one other variable that has changed that is not mentioned above, and that is the school president has changed. So while things definitely need to be done better, I am not 100% certain that it all is on Zillmer if Fry has differentiated in vision from Taki. And this caring about the opponent strikes me as odd. I don't care who the hell we play, I want to beat the ever living crap out of any visiting team that dares step foot in the DAC. I don't give a crap about Bucknell or any of the other schools listed in BMFs [redacted]. Spiker just held the best player on the team out of the starting lineup in the most important game of the year because he was late for the team bus before the JMU game. The name on the front of the jersey is more important than the name on the back, and it sure as hell means more than the name on the opposing side. The name on the front reads "DREXEL," root for the laundry. The best way to get people into the stands is to win, and win consistently. Winning would be easier if more people came to the games. The easiest people to get to the games are the students since their tickets are free and they're essentially already there. When they're there, it would be most helpful if they stood and were loud. The DACPack needs to be rebuilt. It needs to get back to where when one group of leaders graduates, the next group is there to not let the flag fall as a matter of pride. Maybe the students would care more if the administration seemed to show that they care. This weekend, they thought so highly of the men's team's chances, that they were not willing to pay for the Pep Band to make the trip. There remains a power vacuum in this league just begging for someone to fill it. UNCW probably has come the closest winning back to back, but they lost their coach and stumbled during the regular season. Maybe they cement that by winning from the 6 seed. Maybe CofC starts that process during the beginning of the week. But it could still be us. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - J.B. - 03-05-2018 01:17 PM This weekend, they thought so highly of the men's team's chances, that they were not willing to pay for the Pep Band to make the trip. [/quote] I don't think that it was as much a disrespect to the men's team as it was extra respect to the #1 seeded women's team. The women were home on Saturday on Senior Day in a critical game and the band was there. Drexel doesn't have a band the size that Temple has where they are able to create separate men's and women's pep bands. 2 years ago, Temple men were in the NCAA Tournament in Buffalo and had a band there, and there was also a Temple Pep Band at the DAC for the Drexel/Temple WNIT matchup. I think that the cheerleaders and dance team must have been split up, since there were cheerleaders at DAC on Saturday. I also noticed that Mario must have taken a super jet to Charleston because he was at the DAC and later in North Charleston. I'm not going to say that there are 2 Mario's, because that would be impossible, right. There can only be ONE Mascot. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - relaxing - 03-05-2018 03:57 PM (03-05-2018 01:06 PM)DrachenFire Wrote: This weekend, they thought so highly of the men's team's chances, that they were not willing to pay for the Pep Band to make the trip. You can't be serious. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - bmf25 - 03-05-2018 04:50 PM (03-05-2018 07:54 AM)J.B. Wrote: So what you're suggesting is that since Drexel had a few bad years on the court, that they should give up and stop trying? Prior to wasting money on marketing, Drexel should improve the product on the court. Drexel destroyed their west coast reputation with the Sacramento campus fiasco, essentially selling degrees to anyone that applied. Can't get into a west coast university? Just buy a degree from Drexel - Sacramento, lets not destroy the Drexel basketball brand. Marketing to kids and families will solidify our reputation as the Robert Morris of Philadelphia basketball. Look at the positive, Drexel lost to Bowling Green, Mercer, Drake, NJIT, Robert Morris, Loyola(MD).... yet no one knows how badly the program has sunk. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - JHG722 - 03-05-2018 05:36 PM (03-05-2018 11:05 AM)relaxing Wrote: I'm amazed some of these things aren't happening, things I would have taken for granted that once started you'd just continue. I know the AD doesn't think MBB is a good investment, but there's no reason why it should be neglected like this. He doesn't see the value in intercollegiate athletics beyond simple recreation. He derided us for wanting to build an on-campus football stadium. You aren't Penn State, but you have more potential than what the overall athletic product currently entails. The problem is you have an AD holding you back significantly. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - fredsavage - 03-05-2018 07:18 PM (03-05-2018 05:36 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [quote='relaxing' pid='15132444' dateline='1520265928'] its gotten so bad that other schools recognize it RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - dan10 - 03-05-2018 08:51 PM (03-05-2018 04:50 PM)bmf25 Wrote:Sunk so far that we had the best wins in the conference this year. Only team with 5 wins against the top 100. That includes a win over Houston, a team who also beat Wichita State and Cincinnati. The same Cincinnati who is a likely 2 seed in the tournament. While we certainly had some bad losses, we had some extraordinary wins too. We saw drastic improvement as the season went on. The future is bright no matter how did you want it to be(03-05-2018 07:54 AM)J.B. Wrote: So what you're suggesting is that since Drexel had a few bad years on the court, that they should give up and stop trying? Sent from my XT1080 using CSNbbs mobile app RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - JHG722 - 03-05-2018 09:36 PM (03-05-2018 07:18 PM)fredsavage Wrote:(03-05-2018 05:36 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [quote='relaxing' pid='15132444' dateline='1520265928'] I just got my master's at Drexel, and he came into one of my classes and just trashed us. It was very tough for me to sit there and take it. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - DrachenFire - 03-05-2018 09:48 PM (03-05-2018 05:36 PM)JHG722 Wrote:(03-05-2018 11:05 AM)relaxing Wrote: I'm amazed some of these things aren't happening, things I would have taken for granted that once started you'd just continue. I know the AD doesn't think MBB is a good investment, but there's no reason why it should be neglected like this. You’re confusing the AD with Prez Fry. Fry derided Temple for wanting an on-campus stadium, although I think Temple building an on-campus stadium is dumb too, but if you guys want to do it with 100% guaranteed, iron clad no tax money where if it blows up on you you’re willing to kill the program? Knock yourselves out. Whoops, missed your second post. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - JHG722 - 03-05-2018 10:49 PM (03-05-2018 09:48 PM)DrachenFire Wrote:(03-05-2018 05:36 PM)JHG722 Wrote:(03-05-2018 11:05 AM)relaxing Wrote: I'm amazed some of these things aren't happening, things I would have taken for granted that once started you'd just continue. I know the AD doesn't think MBB is a good investment, but there's no reason why it should be neglected like this. lol kill the program? The only place we're going is up. We've come too far and done too well. You are entitled to your opinion even if your opinion is wrong. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - DrachenFire - 03-05-2018 10:55 PM (03-05-2018 10:49 PM)JHG722 Wrote:(03-05-2018 09:48 PM)DrachenFire Wrote:(03-05-2018 05:36 PM)JHG722 Wrote:(03-05-2018 11:05 AM)relaxing Wrote: I'm amazed some of these things aren't happening, things I would have taken for granted that once started you'd just continue. I know the AD doesn't think MBB is a good investment, but there's no reason why it should be neglected like this. Cool. As I said, not a taxpayer dime. If it’s such a sure thing, shouldn’t be an issue. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - JHG722 - 03-05-2018 10:59 PM (03-05-2018 10:55 PM)DrachenFire Wrote:(03-05-2018 10:49 PM)JHG722 Wrote:(03-05-2018 09:48 PM)DrachenFire Wrote:(03-05-2018 05:36 PM)JHG722 Wrote:(03-05-2018 11:05 AM)relaxing Wrote: I'm amazed some of these things aren't happening, things I would have taken for granted that once started you'd just continue. I know the AD doesn't think MBB is a good investment, but there's no reason why it should be neglected like this. You're probably from New Jersey. RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC - fredsavage - 03-06-2018 08:32 AM jhg can you share anything else he said in your class? ie, how he views his own athletic program? |