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The WAC's Next Move - Columbia Blue - 11-29-2017 11:45 AM
Since the CSU Bakersfield to the Big West thread got bumped to the smack board, I'm starting this thread to discuss what moves the WAC can and/or should make to try to stabilize the conference. First off I wanted to mention Tarleton State.
Looks like Tarleton State has been spending cash to upgrade facilities etc. in expectation of a move to Div. 1. Rumor has been going around that they either already have a Division 1 conference offer, or are expecting one in December.
The Southland would be the obvious conference, except that they are a little bloated now, plus Sam Houston St. is already unhappy about the Div. 2 moveups weak football possibly affecting their seed in the FCS playoffs.
The WAC is perhaps the only other conference with a Texas footprint that might be interested. However, I'm not sure what they would do with their football team. Ditto for any other possible moveup with football such as Dixie State, Azuza Pacific, Tex.-Commerce, CSU Pueblo, and so on. I'm thinking the WAC schools don't want to bring any kind of FB back FCS or otherwise, so it seems like a non starter. But I figured it was worth bringing up.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - LopesUp - 11-29-2017 12:07 PM
My first thought, and the one that makes the most sense to me, is to take care of those who are in the WAC. Essentially the WAC is in the same position as it was when GCU arrived. There were 7 solid D1 schools and a D2 move up. The WAC has since thrived. In reality, this new iteration of the WAC is even better. The WAC is doing well in all metrics, speaking specifically to Basketball and by the time that school in the Central Valley leaves in 2020, Cal Baptist will be half way through their D1 probationary period.
The WAC needs to focus on keeping the other schools in the WAC, no more defections.
Give UMKC what you promised them, a couple WAC tournament hosting opportunities. Get all the other WAC schools presidents together to come along side ChiSt and see if you can help them create a plan to sustain and grow their student body. I know the GCU Pres has other D1 schools on campus to see what GCU has done and how they have grown. The WAC needs to take of the people in their house. I'm not saying you close the door to other members. Just take care of the ones who take of you.
#ByeClarity
RE: The WAC's Next Move - RobtheAggie - 11-29-2017 02:09 PM
Good ideas. We all know that Chicago St and GCU are two very different institutions, but there can be something learned from each other.
I also do not understand the reluctance to have the MBB tourney at UMKC. So few people come anyways.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - CrimsonPhantom - 11-29-2017 02:34 PM
(11-29-2017 12:07 PM)LopesUp Wrote: My first thought, and the one that makes the most sense to me, is to take care of those who are in the WAC. Essentially the WAC is in the same position as it was when GCU arrived. There were 7 solid D1 schools and a D2 move up. The WAC has since thrived. In reality, this new iteration of the WAC is even better. The WAC is doing well in all metrics, speaking specifically to Basketball and by the time that school in the Central Valley leaves in 2020, Cal Baptist will be half way through their D1 probationary period.
The WAC needs to focus on keeping the other schools in the WAC, no more defections.
Give UMKC what you promised them, a couple WAC tournament hosting opportunities. Get all the other WAC schools presidents together to come along side ChiSt and see if you can help them create a plan to sustain and grow their student body. I know the GCU Pres has other D1 schools on campus to see what GCU has done and how they have grown. The WAC needs to take of the people in their house. I'm not saying you close the door to other members. Just take care of the ones who take of you.
#ByeClarity
Hurd promised them, not the membership.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - jdgaucho - 11-29-2017 03:30 PM
Time to revisit Metro State?
RE: The WAC's Next Move - dancingNMSUaggie - 11-29-2017 03:46 PM
Before we start endless fantasy threads what teams actually want to move up? Like I mentioned in another thread I know Academy of Art wanted to basically for more exposure to it's school a la GCU. Any other REAL prospects?
RE: The WAC's Next Move - DoubleRSU - 11-29-2017 03:50 PM
(11-29-2017 03:30 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: Time to revisit Metro State?
Does Metro want to move? They would be in, in a second.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - dancingNMSUaggie - 11-29-2017 03:57 PM
How many teams need to be in the WAC to keep the Auto Bid?
RE: The WAC's Next Move - CrimsonPhantom - 11-29-2017 04:04 PM
(11-29-2017 03:57 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote: How many teams need to be in the WAC to keep the Auto Bid?
7
RE: The WAC's Next Move - jacksfan29 - 11-29-2017 04:26 PM
(11-29-2017 11:45 AM)Columbia Blue Wrote: Since the CSU Bakersfield to the Big West thread got bumped to the smack board, I'm starting this thread to discuss what moves the WAC can and/or should make to try to stabilize the conference. First off I wanted to mention Tarleton State.
Looks like Tarleton State has been spending cash to upgrade facilities etc. in expectation of a move to Div. 1. Rumor has been going around that they either already have a Division 1 conference offer, or are expecting one in December.
The Southland would be the obvious conference, except that they are a little bloated now, plus Sam Houston St. is already unhappy about the Div. 2 moveups weak football possibly affecting their seed in the FCS playoffs.
The WAC is perhaps the only other conference with a Texas footprint that might be interested. However, I'm not sure what they would do with their football team. Ditto for any other possible moveup with football such as Dixie State, Azuza Pacific, Tex.-Commerce, CSU Pueblo, and so on. I'm thinking the WAC schools don't want to bring any kind of FB back FCS or otherwise, so it seems like a non starter. But I figured it was worth bringing up.
CSU Pueblo is not moving up. They can't afford to and the state will not fund the move. Plus, the WAC has no place for their FB program, which is the strength of their athletic department. Dixie State needs a home for football and the BSC is not taking them as an affiliate, Azuza is a likely add because they can drop FB to non-scholarship and join San Diego in the Pioneer. Texas Commerce? Same issue as Pueblo and Dixie. Where does their FB program land.
Of your invites, only Azuza is realistic. You can try and court Metro State Denver. But again, they don't have the cash to move up and the state is not going to assist them in doing so. Metro is a commuter school with a large non-traditional student population. Not really the type of institution that screams D1 athletic success.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - CrimsonPhantom - 11-29-2017 04:56 PM
The WAC's Next Move?
Tequila Shots in Vegas with all fan bases, not CSUB. Then throwing said shot glasses at CSUB fans.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - Columbia Blue - 11-29-2017 07:29 PM
The list of Division 2 schools putting money into their programs, and preparing for a move-up is a short one. Tarleton State which I've already mentioned, and USI (Univ. of Southern Indiana). USI ( Evansville) isn't pouring $50 plus million into upgrading their arena to play Div. 2 ball. They otherwise look to be positioning themselves to move up to Div. 1. in a fairly short time frame.
USI is probably a non-starter for the WAC unless Chicago State drops down, and they need a travel partner for UMKC. Both schools have over 10,000 students which will help with the financial crunch of moving to Division 1 when the time comes. The other schools I mentioned in the opening post only because they have been mentioned elsewhere as candidates. As far as I know none have showed any inclination for moving up. For instance, the only way Tex. A&M Commerce might make a move is if Tarleton St. and one or two others do.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - chargeradio - 11-29-2017 07:52 PM
Technically if no one leaves and Chicago State survives until June 30, 2022, a move isn’t necessary.
If D2 to D1 moves can still be made for July 1, 2018, it’s time to make it known that this is the last call for schools west of Minneapolis. Target travel partners for each of the remaining WAC members (other than UMKC and Chicago State)
The other solution is to “rent” one to three members from the Big Sky like Southern Utah, Northern Colorado, or Sacramento State until a more permanent solution can be found. The schools that move becomes football-only members of the Big Sky. The WAC covers any and all exit and entry fees. As long as the WAC stays above five members this could be an option. Since the Big Sky does not sponsor baseball, this also helps keep the WAC alive in terms of multi-sport conference status, as Norhern Colorado and Sacramento State already play baseball in the WAC.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - Clarity - 11-29-2017 07:58 PM
Chicago State previous two fall freshman enrollment classes combined are about 250. There's no way they are lasting much longer, certainly not until 2022. UMKC is also gone after this year. No way they are staying. Summit or D2. Lots of rumors of them to the Summit swirling.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - jdgaucho - 11-29-2017 09:36 PM
I, like everyone else keeping an eye open, will believe UMKC is gone when they say they're gone. Until then, the WAC has to operate like they are staying long term.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - SDHornet - 11-29-2017 09:40 PM
(11-29-2017 07:52 PM)chargeradio Wrote: Technically if no one leaves and Chicago State survives until June 30, 2022, a move isn’t necessary.
If D2 to D1 moves can still be made for July 1, 2018, it’s time to make it known that this is the last call for schools west of Minneapolis. Target travel partners for each of the remaining WAC members (other than UMKC and Chicago State)
The other solution is to “rent” one to three members from the Big Sky like Southern Utah, Northern Colorado, or Sacramento State until a more permanent solution can be found. The schools that move becomes football-only members of the Big Sky. The WAC covers any and all exit and entry fees. As long as the WAC stays above five members this could be an option. Since the Big Sky does not sponsor baseball, this also helps keep the WAC alive in terms of multi-sport conference status, as Norhern Colorado and Sacramento State already play baseball in the WAC.
Keep Sac State out of these discussions. We aren't leaving the BSC for the WAC.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - Clarity - 11-29-2017 09:46 PM
No D1 school would ever considering leaving a conference for the WAC.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - gleadley - 11-30-2017 12:14 AM
(11-29-2017 04:56 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: The WAC's Next Move?
Tequila Shots in Vegas with all fan bases, not CSUB. Then throwing said shot glasses at CSUB fans.
I'm all in on this.
RE: The WAC's Next Move - LopesUp - 11-30-2017 12:48 AM
(11-30-2017 12:14 AM)gleadley Wrote:(11-29-2017 04:56 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: The WAC's Next Move?
Tequila Shots in Vegas with all fan bases, not CSUB. Then throwing said shot glasses at CSUB fans.
I'm all in on this.
+1
RE: The WAC's Next Move - dancingNMSUaggie - 11-30-2017 12:54 AM
I want to buy every GCU poster here a beer in Vegas, on me guys. As we get closer I'll private message you my number. It's going to be a blast with you guys there!