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DePaul's Failure in the Big East - KevMo4UAB - 03-23-2013 10:58 AM
I can't help but think of the success Marquette, Cincy, and Louisville have had in the Big East over the past eight years. UAB used to play all of them in C-USA.
UAB's records:
Marquette 8-12
Cincy 10-15
Louisville 4-12
UAB used to also play DePaul. UAB is 14-19 against DePaul over the years.
(Thanks, BlazerNation.com)
In 2006, all of those teams moved on to the Big East. It has not panned out very well for DePaul.
2006: 5-11 tied for 13th
2007: 9-7 tied for 8th (best year, by far)
2008: 6-12 tied for 12th
2009: 0-18 last
2010: 1-17 last
2011: 1-17 last
2012: 3-15 last
2013: 2-16 last
That's 27-113 in regular season BE games, or 19.3% winning percentage. Over the past five years, DePaul has won seven BE games. Seven!
I'm not sure of the significance of all of this, but wanted to look at a BE team that hasn't enjoyed the success of some of our other former conference mates.
RE: DePaul's Failure in the Big East - stc - 03-23-2013 11:23 AM
(03-23-2013 10:58 AM)KevMo4UAB Wrote: I can't help but think of the success Marquette, Cincy, and Louisville have had in the Big East over the past eight years. UAB used to play all of them in C-USA.
UAB's records:
Marquette 8-12
Cincy 10-15
Louisville 4-12
UAB used to also play DePaul. UAB is 14-19 against DePaul over the years.
(Thanks, BlazerNation.com)
In 2006, all of those teams moved on to the Big East. It has not panned out very well for DePaul.
2006: 5-11 tied for 13th
2007: 9-7 tied for 8th (best year, by far)
2008: 6-12 tied for 12th
2009: 0-18 last
2010: 1-17 last
2011: 1-17 last
2012: 3-15 last
2013: 2-16 last
That's 27-113 in regular season BE games, or 19.3% winning percentage. Over the past five years, DePaul has won seven BE games. Seven!
I'm not sure of the significance of all of this, but wanted to look at a BE team that hasn't enjoyed the success of some of our other former conference mates.
Always has been surprising to me that they have struggled so much in Big East. They have a great bball history and are located in the middle of fantastic recruiting grounds.
RE: DePaul's Failure in the Big East - Memphis Blazer - 03-23-2013 11:36 AM
Their failure didn't start in the move to the Big East, but has been a steady decline. Ray Meyer had the Blue Demons as one of the premier programs in the country. Between 1977 and 1982, their record was 132-15 and was a consistent top 5 team. Ray Meyer helped UAB tremendously in recognition and played us home and home for the first decade of our existence. That is a brand new program having a top 5 program coming into our house every other year. It helped build interest.
I think their decline is mirrored by other big city programs. St. John's in New York City has struggled. With the exception of Villanova, the Big 5 in Phildelphia isn't the powerhouses they used to be. The big cities still produce top talent, but they don't stay home like they used to. Those players have discovered that basketball means they can move out of the inner city and start over as a king at some college outside of the urban area.
RE: DePaul's Failure in the Big East - BAMANBLAZERFAN - 03-23-2013 01:45 PM
(03-23-2013 11:36 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: Their failure didn't start in the move to the Big East, but has been a steady decline. Ray Meyer had the Blue Demons as one of the premier programs in the country. Between 1977 and 1982, their record was 132-15 and was a consistent top 5 team. Ray Meyer helped UAB tremendously in recognition and played us home and home for the first decade of our existence. That is a brand new program having a top 5 program coming into our house every other year. It helped build interest.
I think their decline is mirrored by other big city programs. St. John's in New York City has struggled. With the exception of Villanova, the Big 5 in Phildelphia isn't the powerhouses they used to be. The big cities still produce top talent, but they don't stay home like they used to. Those players have discovered that basketball means they can move out of the inner city and start over as a king at some college outside of the urban area.
That is / was true of the top B'ham area players over the same period of time.
RE: DePaul's Failure in the Big East - 58-56 - 03-23-2013 06:13 PM
Rural BCS football powers started putting money into basketball to extend their brand year-round. Indirectly, it's still about football: they don't want a customer looking elsewhere in winter and spring.
RE: DePaul's Failure in the Big East - BAMANBLAZERFAN - 03-24-2013 05:26 PM
The general lack of strong football programs in the big cities is why the NFL was able to locate and persevere there. Until the 1960s, by which time the NFL had established its "brand", it avoided cities with strong football programs (of the day) and only then moved into cities like Atlanta (GA Tech), Boston (BC), Miami (the "U"), Dallas (TCU / SMU), etc.
They lost their team in Los Angeles and seem in no hurry to return.
The NBA was not so affected, perhaps because they played so many games that they could compete with the strong collegiate programs in those cities. There is probably no "one reason" why so many urban kids are going to distant schools, but it may be because the income generated by football in those distant schools makes the BB program wealthier as well -"the rising tide lifts all boats" idea. Life is better when someone can spend a lot of money on your upkeep while you are there.
RE: DePaul's Failure in the Big East - LairDweller - 03-24-2013 05:34 PM
i think the rise of AAU ball and 24/7 nationwide recruiting has helped the decline of the big city programs. in the past, i would think that most high school kids were heavily recruited by the local crowd for a long time while other school came late to the recruiting dance. now, top level kids are recruited by colleges across the country from the second they step into high school (even earlier). thus, more of the big city kids fail to form those early bonds to the local school that kept them in the home town