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The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - Dasville - 02-20-2013 08:02 PM
As the lawsuit is against the NCAA (at least for now), seems like this would give reason for those that can separate themselves from the NCAA, motivation to do so.
Seems like this case would also be motivation for ND to join a conference. If the case is negotiated seems like it would be better to be in a conference instead of going it alone?
http://www.collegesportsscholarships.com/2013/02/15/o-bannon-collaterall-damage-ncaa.htm
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - billings - 02-20-2013 09:13 PM
(02-20-2013 08:02 PM)Dasville Wrote: As the lawsuit is against the NCAA (at least for now), seems like this would give reason for those that can separate themselves from the NCAA, motivation to do so.
Seems like this case would also be motivation for ND to join a conference. If the case is negotiated seems like it would be better to be in a conference instead of going it alone?
http://www.collegesportsscholarships.com/2013/02/15/o-bannon-collaterall-damage-ncaa.htm
Same lawsuit would apply to any new College athletic governing entity not just the existing NCAA. Top 5 conferences break off and form a new governing body and yea they get sued asap for same thing
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - mufanatehc - 02-20-2013 09:57 PM
If they win their lawsuit, it will be the end of major college athletics...
D3 & other non-scholarship programs should come out ok.
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - TerryD - 02-20-2013 10:01 PM
(02-20-2013 08:02 PM)Dasville Wrote: As the lawsuit is against the NCAA (at least for now), seems like this would give reason for those that can separate themselves from the NCAA, motivation to do so.
Seems like this case would also be motivation for ND to join a conference. If the case is negotiated seems like it would be better to be in a conference instead of going it alone?
http://www.collegesportsscholarships.com/2013/02/15/o-bannon-collaterall-damage-ncaa.htm
I have read this article twice and fail to see how it would affect ND's status or desire/necessity to join a conference one iota.
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - CardFan1 - 02-20-2013 10:24 PM
What a shame. O'Bannon was a legend in His own Mind.
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - arkstfan - 02-21-2013 01:59 AM
My take on it is the same as the tired "schools make a lot of money selling jerseys with the kid's number on it."
College athletics are a different critter. While you can find people who traded in their Cavs jersey for a Heat jersey when James moved, I don't think outside of family and a few friends that would trade a Bama jersey for an Auburn jersey or Oklahoma State for OU, or Ohio State for Michigan if the favorite player transferred. The sale is based on not the kid but the fact he is the best player on their favorite team.
Nobody watches those old clips to say "Oh there's O'Bannon" they watch it for memories of the team.
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - Dasville - 02-21-2013 12:14 PM
(02-20-2013 10:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:(02-20-2013 08:02 PM)Dasville Wrote: As the lawsuit is against the NCAA (at least for now), seems like this would give reason for those that can separate themselves from the NCAA, motivation to do so.
Seems like this case would also be motivation for ND to join a conference. If the case is negotiated seems like it would be better to be in a conference instead of going it alone?
http://www.collegesportsscholarships.com/2013/02/15/o-bannon-collaterall-damage-ncaa.htm
I have read this article twice and fail to see how it would affect ND's status or desire/necessity to join a conference one iota.
I should have explained my ND comment, sorry. My thought is that if players start getting paid (trust fund), that money will not only come from the NCAA itself, but also from the schools via their conference. I could see a possibility where a collective pool of money (shared expense) is created by the separate conferences and paid to those players within that conference. Because an argument could be made that any particular player should be paid more for playing at Notre Dame versus (fill in the blank), seems like by fully joining a conference, ND could reduce their liability by joining the pool versus absorbing a potential greater cost by going it alone. Anyway, that was what I was thinking and I should have explained it, sorry again.
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - bitcruncher - 02-21-2013 01:53 PM
If the suit is successful, the NBA and NFL will have to create their own minor leagues. Their use of the NCAA for free player development will be over...
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - TerryD - 02-21-2013 02:37 PM
(02-21-2013 12:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:(02-20-2013 10:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:(02-20-2013 08:02 PM)Dasville Wrote: As the lawsuit is against the NCAA (at least for now), seems like this would give reason for those that can separate themselves from the NCAA, motivation to do so.
Seems like this case would also be motivation for ND to join a conference. If the case is negotiated seems like it would be better to be in a conference instead of going it alone?
http://www.collegesportsscholarships.com/2013/02/15/o-bannon-collaterall-damage-ncaa.htm
I have read this article twice and fail to see how it would affect ND's status or desire/necessity to join a conference one iota.
I should have explained my ND comment, sorry. My thought is that if players start getting paid (trust fund), that money will not only come from the NCAA itself, but also from the schools via their conference. I could see a possibility where a collective pool of money (shared expense) is created by the separate conferences and paid to those players within that conference. Because an argument could be made that any particular player should be paid more for playing at Notre Dame versus (fill in the blank), seems like by fully joining a conference, ND could reduce their liability by joining the pool versus absorbing a potential greater cost by going it alone. Anyway, that was what I was thinking and I should have explained it, sorry again.
No need to apologize. I just read the article and could not figure out the ND angle.
I understand your point now. I don't agree with it, but I do understand it. Thanks.
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - Dasville - 02-21-2013 03:57 PM
(02-21-2013 01:53 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: If the suit is successful, the NBA and NFL will have to create their own minor leagues. Their use of the NCAA for free player development will be over...
Where would that leave us?
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - bitcruncher - 02-21-2013 04:05 PM
(02-21-2013 03:57 PM)Dasville Wrote:That's not their problem. Why should the NBA or NFL care? As long as they get their athletes, that's all they care about...(02-21-2013 01:53 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: If the suit is successful, the NBA and NFL will have to create their own minor leagues. Their use of the NCAA for free player development will be over...Where would that leave us?
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - 94panther - 02-21-2013 04:29 PM
(02-21-2013 04:05 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:(02-21-2013 03:57 PM)Dasville Wrote:That's not their problem. Why should the NBA or NFL care? As long as they get their athletes, that's all they care about...(02-21-2013 01:53 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: If the suit is successful, the NBA and NFL will have to create their own minor leagues. Their use of the NCAA for free player development will be over...Where would that leave us?
I am fine with this. Why force kids who have no desire to attend college into pretending to be students for 3 years. If there is a team willing to pay them, why not let them go pro and play in a minor league system.
This is the way baseball works. Each athlete can choose to play in the minor leagues, or attend college for at least 3 years.
This would be a huge step in eliminating academic fraud and back-door payments to athletes.
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - TerryD - 02-21-2013 09:02 PM
(02-21-2013 04:29 PM)94panther Wrote:(02-21-2013 04:05 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:(02-21-2013 03:57 PM)Dasville Wrote:That's not their problem. Why should the NBA or NFL care? As long as they get their athletes, that's all they care about...(02-21-2013 01:53 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: If the suit is successful, the NBA and NFL will have to create their own minor leagues. Their use of the NCAA for free player development will be over...Where would that leave us?
I am fine with this. Why force kids who have no desire to attend college into pretending to be students for 3 years. If there is a team willing to pay them, why not let them go pro and play in a minor league system.
This is the way baseball works. Each athlete can choose to play in the minor leagues, or attend college for at least 3 years.
This would be a huge step in eliminating academic fraud and back-door payments to athletes.
This. I am all for a minor league system for football and basketball.
Do this, tighten up the academic requirements (with better enforcement/penalties) for college sports and then let athletes choose, just like they do for college baseball vs. minor league baseball.
That would work for me. It would be real college sports, then.
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - sierrajip - 02-21-2013 11:35 PM
Paying athletes to play college sports, forget about stricter requirements to play for colleges. I have a real problem seeing that this would work, especially in conferences like the BIG. But money talks.
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - arkstfan - 02-22-2013 01:28 AM
College baseball is growing despite top athletes passing on college and even some top players opting for juco to get the extra crack at the draft.
The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - Journeyman22 - 02-23-2013 11:55 AM
It has always seemed there are two issues here, and they should be addressed separately.
1. College athletes play for their school and get a scholarship for it. I have no issue with this, as the vast majority of athletes would get more out of their education (assuming they are serious about it) than they ever would out of their sport.
2. The NCAA uses the names and likenesses of star athletes in video games and other for-profit enterprises that really have nothing to do with #1 above. And in order to get the scholarship, they have to sign away these rights in perpetuity.
Meanwhile, players aren't allowed to supplement their income with even so much as an endorsement deal, because the NCAA would argue it's a form of pay-for-play.
The answer: athletes continue to sign on in exchange for scholarships, no money. But everything else is a separate deal, and players can leverage their celebrity to make money on their own. The video game marketing has to be a separate contract, for which the players receive fair compensation. The game broadcasts are indeed part of the game, and I'd argue it's part of the cost of being on the team. Plus, play well and you might make more cash from endorsements.
Ok, so why won't this work?
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - solohawks - 02-23-2013 12:13 PM
(02-23-2013 11:55 AM)Journeyman22 Wrote: It has always seemed there are two issues here, and they should be addressed separately.
1. College athletes play for their school and get a scholarship for it. I have no issue with this, as the vast majority of athletes would get more out of their education (assuming they are serious about it) than they ever would out of their sport.
2. The NCAA uses the names and likenesses of star athletes in video games and other for-profit enterprises that really have nothing to do with #1 above. And in order to get the scholarship, they have to sign away these rights in perpetuity.
Meanwhile, players aren't allowed to supplement their income with even so much as an endorsement deal, because the NCAA would argue it's a form of pay-for-play.
The answer: athletes continue to sign on in exchange for scholarships, no money. But everything else is a separate deal, and players can leverage their celebrity to make money on their own. The video game marketing has to be a separate contract, for which the players receive fair compensation. The game broadcasts are indeed part of the game, and I'd argue it's part of the cost of being on the team. Plus, play well and you might make more cash from endorsements.
Ok, so why won't this work?
most college athletes get a great deal under the current system. its those elite basketball and football players that are getting the short end of the stick as schools are making millions off of their likeness and celebrity and not having to reimburse said student athlete. I agree that students should be allowed to make money off of their celebrity if they can. Players should also get a cut merchandising the NCAA makes off of them after they graduate, which I think is what O Bannon is asking right?
RE: The O’Bannon effect on conference $ and realignment. - sierrajip - 02-23-2013 12:22 PM
For this to happen, most athletes would have to get agents to help with the extra compensation. You might as well let the NFL take them right away. I do not like the current state of how college athletics is going. If the NFL wants a minor league, let them pay for it.