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(04-21-2024 06:26 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-21-2024 11:23 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 03:36 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 07:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Can't wait for NIL to take the place of scholarships entirely when this happens...and I can't imagine how many kids are going to be audited immediately by the IRS lol.

Once the rotten door finally gets kicked down in the very near future declaring them all employees, next big push by litigants will be to abolish academic requirements. It's coming. Will just be semi pros paid to be a marketing mechanism for universities and to keep the TV revenue spigot flowing.

Scholarships, room and board will be imputed as income as a taxable employee benefit to those who utilize it. It's surreal.

After 3 decades I stopped contributing to UC athletics this past year. NIL is just another regressive tax on fans to pick up schools' bar tabs. When Emory Jones makes more for 7 months of playing bad football than the vast majority of season ticket holders and donors do, we've jumped the shark.

I sent a $$ for $$ check to Purcell Marian for the first time instead of UCATS. Mileage may vary but personally it's just a better use of my donations for people who actually need it.

Fundamental misunderstanding of what donations to UC sports are for.

And what made you think UC players "actually needed" your donations in the past?

Curious what you believe donations to the UCAT Foundation are utilized for and what the purpose of the foundation is.

I have earmarked donations for MBB and football for years.

It is not to help poor kids. Hasn't been for a long, long time, if it ever was.

It's to help the school fund as good a team as it can, because good sports teams positively impact the university in many ways.

To me, it's odd that anyone would resent the players for not being poor now that they--like everyone else involved with the team always could--can get paid, but it seems to be the majority view around here and with college fans generally.

7 kids from Duke in the portal and 2 gone to the NBA. Sure they are bringing in a top recruiting class, but holy cow. It’s like you just have to prepare to have a different team every year. The other side of the coin is you don’t have to feel morally obligated to keep a kid around if it isn’t working out bc hey- he can go anywhere else. I can’t see how any of this is good for the sport. Forget about getting excited for incoming freshman and watching them grow and become guys you want to root for over 4 years. It’s kinda gross.

(04-22-2024 09:49 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-21-2024 06:26 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-21-2024 11:23 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 03:36 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 07:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Can't wait for NIL to take the place of scholarships entirely when this happens...and I can't imagine how many kids are going to be audited immediately by the IRS lol.

Once the rotten door finally gets kicked down in the very near future declaring them all employees, next big push by litigants will be to abolish academic requirements. It's coming. Will just be semi pros paid to be a marketing mechanism for universities and to keep the TV revenue spigot flowing.

Scholarships, room and board will be imputed as income as a taxable employee benefit to those who utilize it. It's surreal.

After 3 decades I stopped contributing to UC athletics this past year. NIL is just another regressive tax on fans to pick up schools' bar tabs. When Emory Jones makes more for 7 months of playing bad football than the vast majority of season ticket holders and donors do, we've jumped the shark.

I sent a $$ for $$ check to Purcell Marian for the first time instead of UCATS. Mileage may vary but personally it's just a better use of my donations for people who actually need it.

Fundamental misunderstanding of what donations to UC sports are for.

And what made you think UC players "actually needed" your donations in the past?

Curious what you believe donations to the UCAT Foundation are utilized for and what the purpose of the foundation is.

I have earmarked donations for MBB and football for years.

It is not to help poor kids. Hasn't been for a long, long time, if it ever was.

It's to help the school fund as good a team as it can, because good sports teams positively impact the university in many ways.

To me, it's odd that anyone would resent the players for not being poor now that they--like everyone else involved with the team always could--can get paid, but it seems to be the majority view around here and with college fans generally.

Just me - BUT - I put my last one through college about 35 years ago. Cost me about $80,000 (granted it's an Ivy) Today it is a quarter of a mil. Scholarship athletes "pay" nothing. Seems to me that is plenty - if we're going to operate college athletics as nothing more than development leagues for the NBA/NFL without even a requirement that they take and pass college courses, but just show up for NIL "paychecks" then I can't help it I've just lost interest. I don't root for the instruction or janitorial staffs either.

(04-22-2024 09:49 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-21-2024 06:26 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-21-2024 11:23 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 03:36 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 07:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Can't wait for NIL to take the place of scholarships entirely when this happens...and I can't imagine how many kids are going to be audited immediately by the IRS lol.

Once the rotten door finally gets kicked down in the very near future declaring them all employees, next big push by litigants will be to abolish academic requirements. It's coming. Will just be semi pros paid to be a marketing mechanism for universities and to keep the TV revenue spigot flowing.

Scholarships, room and board will be imputed as income as a taxable employee benefit to those who utilize it. It's surreal.

After 3 decades I stopped contributing to UC athletics this past year. NIL is just another regressive tax on fans to pick up schools' bar tabs. When Emory Jones makes more for 7 months of playing bad football than the vast majority of season ticket holders and donors do, we've jumped the shark.

I sent a $$ for $$ check to Purcell Marian for the first time instead of UCATS. Mileage may vary but personally it's just a better use of my donations for people who actually need it.

Fundamental misunderstanding of what donations to UC sports are for.

And what made you think UC players "actually needed" your donations in the past?

Curious what you believe donations to the UCAT Foundation are utilized for and what the purpose of the foundation is.

I have earmarked donations for MBB and football for years.

It is not to help poor kids. Hasn't been for a long, long time, if it ever was.

It's to help the school fund as good a team as it can, because good sports teams positively impact the university in many ways.

To me, it's odd that anyone would resent the players for not being poor now that they--like everyone else involved with the team always could--can get paid, but it seems to be the majority view around here and with college fans generally.

Telling me you don't understand the UCATS Foundation without telling me you don't understand it.

Here is your chance to shine.

Beyond operating costs, please tell me exactly how you believe the foundation is required by its bylaws and filings to apply the funds it raises. Never mind.

It's for funding scholarships, endowments and support efforts for student athletes (housing, tutors, health and wellness, etc). It can assist in capital campaigns as a sub foundation of the Cincinnati Foundation. If you'd like the federal filings to see where the dollars go I can tell you where to begin to look for it. Or you can just do what you are doing instead. You do you.

(04-22-2024 02:57 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 09:49 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-21-2024 06:26 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-21-2024 11:23 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 03:36 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Once the rotten door finally gets kicked down in the very near future declaring them all employees, next big push by litigants will be to abolish academic requirements. It's coming. Will just be semi pros paid to be a marketing mechanism for universities and to keep the TV revenue spigot flowing.

Scholarships, room and board will be imputed as income as a taxable employee benefit to those who utilize it. It's surreal.

After 3 decades I stopped contributing to UC athletics this past year. NIL is just another regressive tax on fans to pick up schools' bar tabs. When Emory Jones makes more for 7 months of playing bad football than the vast majority of season ticket holders and donors do, we've jumped the shark.

I sent a $$ for $$ check to Purcell Marian for the first time instead of UCATS. Mileage may vary but personally it's just a better use of my donations for people who actually need it.

Fundamental misunderstanding of what donations to UC sports are for.

And what made you think UC players "actually needed" your donations in the past?

Curious what you believe donations to the UCAT Foundation are utilized for and what the purpose of the foundation is.

I have earmarked donations for MBB and football for years.

It is not to help poor kids. Hasn't been for a long, long time, if it ever was.

It's to help the school fund as good a team as it can, because good sports teams positively impact the university in many ways.

To me, it's odd that anyone would resent the players for not being poor now that they--like everyone else involved with the team always could--can get paid, but it seems to be the majority view around here and with college fans generally.

Telling me you don't understand the UCATS Foundation without telling me you don't understand it.

Here is your chance to shine.

Beyond operating costs, please tell me exactly how you believe the foundation is required by its bylaws and filings to apply the funds it raises. Never mind.

It's for funding scholarships, endowments and support efforts for student athletes (housing, tutors, health and wellness, etc). It can assist in capital campaigns as a sub foundation of the Cincinnati Foundation. If you'd like the federal filings to see where the dollars go I can tell you where to begin to look for it. Or you can just do what you are doing instead. You do you.

Yeah, that's not inconsistent with anything I wrote. Or responsive.

(04-22-2024 11:05 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  7 kids from Duke in the portal and 2 gone to the NBA. Sure they are bringing in a top recruiting class, but holy cow. It’s like you just have to prepare to have a different team every year. The other side of the coin is you don’t have to feel morally obligated to keep a kid around if it isn’t working out bc hey- he can go anywhere else. I can’t see how any of this is good for the sport. Forget about getting excited for incoming freshman and watching them grow and become guys you want to root for over 4 years. It’s kinda gross.

it's beyond gross which is why it's imperative to have a coach who players want to play for and more importantly wins. wes is on the trajectory of mick and huggs in terms of players loving to play for them. considering he only lost the replaceable players, got rayvon to redshirt- took some balls. now while he hasn't had any post season success, you kinda sense it is when he said it would. so effin' close

i was talkin to this feller bearcat fan at a bachelor party over the weekend and we both concluded that the team lost a handful of games it shouldn't have and didn't win any games that they coulda/shoulda lost. if that makes any sense. like the tech game for instance. maybe the tcu game, but then again that just woulda been another of the games that we shouldn't have lost that game. anyway

imagine if the ncaa woulda gave out that damn nil from when the stink was first raised? allocate a portion of their nil- the funk is likeness?- and f*ck the rest. blasted free education and all the privileges of being an athlete on campus. i heard tell that captains fu**. that was also said during the bachelor party

furthermore, folks didn't know what they were talking about comparing coaches leaving whenever the hell they wanted to players having to sit out a year. they can do that now and probably forgot they ever said it. a scholarship athlete is duty bound by the verbiage he consented to. one can't very well keep an employee from quitting in any profession. i grudgingly accepted the one time transfer, they didn't have to allow for anytime transfer. my god, the only reason for it is to sustain their product beyond its yearly shelf life. college hoops is relevant past march madness. i'm one of the saps entertained by portal season but i'd much rather not have to replace key pieces because of it. forecasting rosters? forget about it. poor chatter's rollin in his grave. true story, in college i used to forecast rosters in my class notebook if i was board with the class. matt terwilliger and jamar butler at the one and five said i. maybe in aught two. yes please

(04-23-2024 10:35 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 11:05 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  7 kids from Duke in the portal and 2 gone to the NBA. Sure they are bringing in a top recruiting class, but holy cow. It’s like you just have to prepare to have a different team every year. The other side of the coin is you don’t have to feel morally obligated to keep a kid around if it isn’t working out bc hey- he can go anywhere else. I can’t see how any of this is good for the sport. Forget about getting excited for incoming freshman and watching them grow and become guys you want to root for over 4 years. It’s kinda gross.

it's beyond gross which is why it's imperative to have a coach who players want to play for and more importantly wins. wes is on the trajectory of mick and huggs in terms of players loving to play for them. considering he only lost the replaceable players, got rayvon to redshirt- took some balls. now while he hasn't had any post season success, you kinda sense it is when he said it would. so effin' close

i was talkin to this feller bearcat fan at a bachelor party over the weekend and we both concluded that the team lost a handful of games it shouldn't have and didn't win any games that they coulda/shoulda lost. if that makes any sense. like the tech game for instance. maybe the tcu game, but then again that just woulda been another of the games that we shouldn't have lost that game. anyway

imagine if the ncaa woulda gave out that damn nil from when the stink was first raised? allocate a portion of their nil- the funk is likeness?- and f*ck the rest. blasted free education and all the privileges of being an athlete on campus. i heard tell that captains fu**. that was also said during the bachelor party

furthermore, folks didn't know what they were talking about comparing coaches leaving whenever the hell they wanted to players having to sit out a year. they can do that now and probably forgot they ever said it. a scholarship athlete is duty bound by the verbiage he consented to. one can't very well keep an employee from quitting in any profession. i grudgingly accepted the one time transfer, they didn't have to allow for anytime transfer. my god, the only reason for it is to sustain their product beyond its yearly shelf life. college hoops is relevant past march madness. i'm one of the saps entertained by portal season but i'd much rather not have to replace key pieces because of it. forecasting rosters? forget about it. poor chatter's rollin in his grave. true story, in college i used to forecast rosters in my class notebook if i was board with the class. matt terwilliger and jamar butler at the one and five said i. maybe in aught two. yes please

English translation please?

chatter was a poster whom died in aught nine i believe. he loved roster forecasting

dude, to illustrate, cbssports has xlax at #26 in the latest incarnation of their rankings, plus one. the industry loves this sh!t because saps like me eat up 'croot'n news. dig? they'll put out another rankings, plus one tomorrow when johnny goodshooter signs with northern big state after transferring in from somewhere.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...rtal-help/

we're so underrated. we're so underrated. this team's gonna be scary. we'll still lose to x but be top five in the twelve. i'm thinking four seed at worst, but also no higher than a four seed

(04-25-2024 10:36 PM)Lush Wrote:  dude, to illustrate, cbssports has xlax at #26 in the latest incarnation of their rankings, plus one. the industry loves this sh!t because saps like me eat up 'croot'n news. dig? they'll put out another rankings, plus one tomorrow when johnny goodshooter signs with northern big state after transferring in from somewhere.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...rtal-help/

we're so underrated. we're so underrated. this team's gonna be scary. we'll still lose to x but be top five in the twelve. i'm thinking four seed at worst, but also no higher than a four seed

4 seed
Hmm - we still need CJ healthy & a vet post scoring big, then I’m on board.

I'll just plop this here. I'm not making any immediate rash judgments but with UAB announcing it is unionizing so players can collectively bargain...this NIL/revenue sharing is the beginning of the great split in college athletics. Probably the P4 can only implement all player-friendly benefits and then it will just be a P1 or P2. My time is limited and it's coming down to pro or semi-pro sports.

All this because poor little Shabazz Napier said he couldn't afford a bag of doritos.

You ain't seen nothing yet. NIL is small potatoes.

Unless they settle, there is a 4-6 billion dollar judgment around the corner in House v. NCAA for among other things athlete back pay that will be spread out among member institutions and a couple more antitrust suits coming down the tracks.

Going to have an CBA, a division split, revenue sharing and direct school to player payment, and full time paid pros wearing school uniforms in the very near future. CBA will get rid of the silly NIL charade in favor of a straight set chunk of school revenue as a salary pool as was presented in December by the NCAA...which means the new push to get into fans' wallets will be to pump annual revenue numbers up creatively to get to lower overall percentages.

This system is like the Brown family starting a go fund me page for ticket holders to separately donate to directly pay Joe Burrow's salary. Suckers.