(04-16-2024 08:53 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  Someone I know who worked in Athletics as an intern Tweeted "For her big picture work, in terms of growing the university, I have almost nothing but praise for her. For her day to day overseeing the school and student-school relations, I have almost nothing but criticism for her." That's pretty dead on IMO.

Everts had a popemobile (a three-row golf cart with windows and a roof) that she was seen in around campus a lot. That made her appear unapproachable.

The Chancellor's Tailgate was across the road from where I tailgate. It wasn't there every home football game. But when it was, they not only had the plastic walls that come with a huge tent, but staff would put up a temporary white picket fence around it all, making it look more stuffy and uptight. I never saw that thing full of people and half of them were administrators.

Point being, Everts on-the-ground optics were elitist and snobby.

Something that personally made a lot of people mad was that she never gave the "Chancellor Emeritus" title to her predecessor Ken Peacock, as is customary. And when he died last fall, she didn't go to his on-campus memorial service.

Her personal standing has fallen so far that besides the Board of Trustees and the UNC BOG (the bosses of all 16 system campus chancellors) issuing statements, I've seen no one else comment positively on her leaving. One County Commissioner, a retired App professor who runs a popular local weather website, asked on Facebook if students were jumping into Duck Pond to celebrate. A Boone Town Council member said something to the effect of "ding dong the witch is dead."

Something else I've since learned is that the UNC Board of Governor's personnel committee had called a special meeting for Noon on Monday to discuss personnel in closed session. The board meets on Wednesday and Thursday for a regular meeting (where it's expected an interim will be named), so to call a Monday special meeting was significant. Everts' announcement was at 11 a.m., an hour before that meeting.

And for clarity, I was told Everts was going to be out a few weeks ago. I was told this past weekend it would be this week.

I think at the end of the day, you judge the success of a school CEO on the former rather than the latter. Therefore on the balance of things, Everts was a successful Chancellor for App.

Its funny one of the (legitimate) criticisms of Everts is that she was elitist and stuffy, which at some point is a prerequisite for her position and what made Ken Peacock such an anomaly.

IMO her successor needs to be a little elitist and court some big time funding in order to grow App into the next step.

(04-17-2024 08:20 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 08:53 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  Someone I know who worked in Athletics as an intern Tweeted "For her big picture work, in terms of growing the university, I have almost nothing but praise for her. For her day to day overseeing the school and student-school relations, I have almost nothing but criticism for her." That's pretty dead on IMO.

Everts had a popemobile (a three-row golf cart with windows and a roof) that she was seen in around campus a lot. That made her appear unapproachable.

The Chancellor's Tailgate was across the road from where I tailgate. It wasn't there every home football game. But when it was, they not only had the plastic walls that come with a huge tent, but staff would put up a temporary white picket fence around it all, making it look more stuffy and uptight. I never saw that thing full of people and half of them were administrators.

Point being, Everts on-the-ground optics were elitist and snobby.

Something that personally made a lot of people mad was that she never gave the "Chancellor Emeritus" title to her predecessor Ken Peacock, as is customary. And when he died last fall, she didn't go to his on-campus memorial service.

Her personal standing has fallen so far that besides the Board of Trustees and the UNC BOG (the bosses of all 16 system campus chancellors) issuing statements, I've seen no one else comment positively on her leaving. One County Commissioner, a retired App professor who runs a popular local weather website, asked on Facebook if students were jumping into Duck Pond to celebrate. A Boone Town Council member said something to the effect of "ding dong the witch is dead."

Something else I've since learned is that the UNC Board of Governor's personnel committee had called a special meeting for Noon on Monday to discuss personnel in closed session. The board meets on Wednesday and Thursday for a regular meeting (where it's expected an interim will be named), so to call a Monday special meeting was significant. Everts' announcement was at 11 a.m., an hour before that meeting.

And for clarity, I was told Everts was going to be out a few weeks ago. I was told this past weekend it would be this week.

I think at the end of the day, you judge the success of a school CEO on the former rather than the latter. Therefore on the balance of things, Everts was a successful Chancellor for App.

Its funny one of the (legitimate) criticisms of Everts is that she was elitist and stuffy, which at some point is a prerequisite for her position and what made Ken Peacock such an anomaly.

IMO her successor needs to be a little elitist and court some big time funding in order to grow App into the next step.

Fully agree on everything you just wrote.

(04-16-2024 11:54 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 06:29 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 11:15 PM)PhillyApp1 Wrote:  A lot people at App love to piss and moan .
TDog has the most balanced view of her.
She was constantly being blackmailed by LGBT and others .
She followed the most liked Chancellor ever.

Like most of us, she did her best.... and I am thankful for her service.
She was brave in many ways..... politics I believe were crushing her.... she aged a lot in recent years.

Politics are crushing everyone. You either choose to walk on eggshells or walk around with the middle finger at full mast. Whatever you say is going to offend someone. Nothing you can do when there is division on every single issue.

I actually think there's a lot more middle ground than we admit, it's just easier to default to one of the extremes. Not sure what we do to convince each other it's worth trying. (It doesn't help that a lot of people, I believe, have discovered that they really enjoy walking around with the middle finger at full mast.)

A little bit of empathy and humility would go a long way for everyone; unfortunately no one is willing to make the first move for fear of being taken advantage of.

(Off my vaguely moralistic soapbox now.)

If you walk in the middle, you get it from both sides. Its rare that someone will be brave and stand their ground, and they usually get beat into submission to one side or another.

(04-16-2024 11:54 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 06:29 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 11:15 PM)PhillyApp1 Wrote:  A lot people at App love to piss and moan .
TDog has the most balanced view of her.
She was constantly being blackmailed by LGBT and others .
She followed the most liked Chancellor ever.

Like most of us, she did her best.... and I am thankful for her service.
She was brave in many ways..... politics I believe were crushing her.... she aged a lot in recent years.

Politics are crushing everyone. You either choose to walk on eggshells or walk around with the middle finger at full mast. Whatever you say is going to offend someone. Nothing you can do when there is division on every single issue.

I actually think there's a lot more middle ground than we admit, it's just easier to default to one of the extremes. Not sure what we do to convince each other it's worth trying. (It doesn't help that a lot of people, I believe, have discovered that they really enjoy walking around with the middle finger at full mast.)

A little bit of empathy and humility would go a long way for everyone; unfortunately no one is willing to make the first move for fear of being taken advantage of.

(Off my vaguely moralistic soapbox now.)

10 years ago dudes weren’t competing against women and the middle ground was we don’t care about your sexual preferences.

(04-17-2024 08:20 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 08:53 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  Someone I know who worked in Athletics as an intern Tweeted "For her big picture work, in terms of growing the university, I have almost nothing but praise for her. For her day to day overseeing the school and student-school relations, I have almost nothing but criticism for her." That's pretty dead on IMO.

Everts had a popemobile (a three-row golf cart with windows and a roof) that she was seen in around campus a lot. That made her appear unapproachable.

The Chancellor's Tailgate was across the road from where I tailgate. It wasn't there every home football game. But when it was, they not only had the plastic walls that come with a huge tent, but staff would put up a temporary white picket fence around it all, making it look more stuffy and uptight. I never saw that thing full of people and half of them were administrators.

Point being, Everts on-the-ground optics were elitist and snobby.

Something that personally made a lot of people mad was that she never gave the "Chancellor Emeritus" title to her predecessor Ken Peacock, as is customary. And when he died last fall, she didn't go to his on-campus memorial service.

Her personal standing has fallen so far that besides the Board of Trustees and the UNC BOG (the bosses of all 16 system campus chancellors) issuing statements, I've seen no one else comment positively on her leaving. One County Commissioner, a retired App professor who runs a popular local weather website, asked on Facebook if students were jumping into Duck Pond to celebrate. A Boone Town Council member said something to the effect of "ding dong the witch is dead."

Something else I've since learned is that the UNC Board of Governor's personnel committee had called a special meeting for Noon on Monday to discuss personnel in closed session. The board meets on Wednesday and Thursday for a regular meeting (where it's expected an interim will be named), so to call a Monday special meeting was significant. Everts' announcement was at 11 a.m., an hour before that meeting.

And for clarity, I was told Everts was going to be out a few weeks ago. I was told this past weekend it would be this week.

I think at the end of the day, you judge the success of a school CEO on the former rather than the latter. Therefore on the balance of things, Everts was a successful Chancellor for App.

Its funny one of the (legitimate) criticisms of Everts is that she was elitist and stuffy, which at some point is a prerequisite for her position and what made Ken Peacock such an anomaly.

IMO her successor needs to be a little elitist and court some big time funding in order to grow App into the next step.

As far as fund raising goes, her tenure was record setting and the endowment doubled in her time. I think she had burned enough bridges that it was best for her departure but there are some who refuse to acknowledge that she had any accomplishments. The fact that some would never forgive her for not using the correct pronunciation of the school when first hired was pretty shallow. She did step on a lot of toes and the faculty had turned against her. But, she did leave App in better shape than when she arrived.

(04-17-2024 01:25 PM)hapapp Wrote:  

(04-17-2024 08:20 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 08:53 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  Someone I know who worked in Athletics as an intern Tweeted "For her big picture work, in terms of growing the university, I have almost nothing but praise for her. For her day to day overseeing the school and student-school relations, I have almost nothing but criticism for her." That's pretty dead on IMO.

Everts had a popemobile (a three-row golf cart with windows and a roof) that she was seen in around campus a lot. That made her appear unapproachable.

The Chancellor's Tailgate was across the road from where I tailgate. It wasn't there every home football game. But when it was, they not only had the plastic walls that come with a huge tent, but staff would put up a temporary white picket fence around it all, making it look more stuffy and uptight. I never saw that thing full of people and half of them were administrators.

Point being, Everts on-the-ground optics were elitist and snobby.

Something that personally made a lot of people mad was that she never gave the "Chancellor Emeritus" title to her predecessor Ken Peacock, as is customary. And when he died last fall, she didn't go to his on-campus memorial service.

Her personal standing has fallen so far that besides the Board of Trustees and the UNC BOG (the bosses of all 16 system campus chancellors) issuing statements, I've seen no one else comment positively on her leaving. One County Commissioner, a retired App professor who runs a popular local weather website, asked on Facebook if students were jumping into Duck Pond to celebrate. A Boone Town Council member said something to the effect of "ding dong the witch is dead."

Something else I've since learned is that the UNC Board of Governor's personnel committee had called a special meeting for Noon on Monday to discuss personnel in closed session. The board meets on Wednesday and Thursday for a regular meeting (where it's expected an interim will be named), so to call a Monday special meeting was significant. Everts' announcement was at 11 a.m., an hour before that meeting.

And for clarity, I was told Everts was going to be out a few weeks ago. I was told this past weekend it would be this week.

I think at the end of the day, you judge the success of a school CEO on the former rather than the latter. Therefore on the balance of things, Everts was a successful Chancellor for App.

Its funny one of the (legitimate) criticisms of Everts is that she was elitist and stuffy, which at some point is a prerequisite for her position and what made Ken Peacock such an anomaly.

IMO her successor needs to be a little elitist and court some big time funding in order to grow App into the next step.

As far as fund raising goes, her tenure was record setting and the endowment doubled in her time. I think she had burned enough bridges that it was best for her departure but there are some who refuse to acknowledge that she had any accomplishments. The fact that some would never forgive her for not using the correct pronunciation of the school when first hired was pretty shallow. She did step on a lot of toes and the faculty had turned against her. But, she did leave App in better shape than when she arrived.

Appulayshun?

https://www.wataugademocrat.com/news/loc...47f57.html

Interim Chancellor was a good pick.

Quote:Norris brings more than two decades of academic leadership to the role. She arrived at App State in 2003 as assistant professor in the Walker College of Business’ Department of Finance, Banking and Insurance. She became assistant dean for undergraduate programs in 2005 and interim dean in 2015. A national search led to her being chosen as the seventh dean at the Walker College of Business in 2016. During her time there, the college grew its fundraising by 68%, securing three endowed professorships and undergoing a major renovation.

Norris became provost and executive vice chancellor on an interim basis in 2020 and fully in 2021. She oversaw the development of the university’s 2022-27 strategic plan, as well as other strategic efforts focused on academic affairs, on research, scholarship and creative activities, and on App State’s quality enhancement plan through 2029.

(04-19-2024 01:21 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  https://www.wataugademocrat.com/news/loc...47f57.html

Interim Chancellor was a good pick.

Quote:Norris brings more than two decades of academic leadership to the role. She arrived at App State in 2003 as assistant professor in the Walker College of Business’ Department of Finance, Banking and Insurance. She became assistant dean for undergraduate programs in 2005 and interim dean in 2015. A national search led to her being chosen as the seventh dean at the Walker College of Business in 2016. During her time there, the college grew its fundraising by 68%, securing three endowed professorships and undergoing a major renovation.

Norris became provost and executive vice chancellor on an interim basis in 2020 and fully in 2021. She oversaw the development of the university’s 2022-27 strategic plan, as well as other strategic efforts focused on academic affairs, on research, scholarship and creative activities, and on App State’s quality enhancement plan through 2029.

undergrad education is a huge red flag.

(04-19-2024 02:07 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 01:21 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  https://www.wataugademocrat.com/news/loc...47f57.html

Interim Chancellor was a good pick.

Quote:Norris brings more than two decades of academic leadership to the role. She arrived at App State in 2003 as assistant professor in the Walker College of Business’ Department of Finance, Banking and Insurance. She became assistant dean for undergraduate programs in 2005 and interim dean in 2015. A national search led to her being chosen as the seventh dean at the Walker College of Business in 2016. During her time there, the college grew its fundraising by 68%, securing three endowed professorships and undergoing a major renovation.

Norris became provost and executive vice chancellor on an interim basis in 2020 and fully in 2021. She oversaw the development of the university’s 2022-27 strategic plan, as well as other strategic efforts focused on academic affairs, on research, scholarship and creative activities, and on App State’s quality enhancement plan through 2029.

undergrad education is a huge red flag.

Twenty+ years at App will wash that snobbish stink off

JMU BOV appoints Charlie King, JMU’s recently retired Exective VP for Administration and Finance as interim president. King was largely responsible for JMU’s investment in athletic facilities over the last 25 years.

(04-20-2024 06:59 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  JMU BOV appoints Charlie King, JMU’s recently retired Exective VP for Administration and Finance as interim president. King was largely responsible for JMU’s investment in athletic facilities over the last 25 years.

Charlie King, who got his undergraduate and master’s at…Appalachian State. I swear, you can’t make this stuff up.

(04-20-2024 07:05 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(04-20-2024 06:59 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  JMU BOV appoints Charlie King, JMU’s recently retired Exective VP for Administration and Finance as interim president. King was largely responsible for JMU’s investment in athletic facilities over the last 25 years.

Charlie King, who got his undergraduate and master’s at…Appalachian State. I swear, you can’t make this stuff up.

You’re absolutely correct. I’m surprised App St. hasn’t declared Charlie as a “persona non grata”

On Charlie’s retirement in 2021 JMU named a major academic building “King Hall” in his honor.

(04-20-2024 07:10 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-20-2024 07:05 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(04-20-2024 06:59 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  JMU BOV appoints Charlie King, JMU’s recently retired Exective VP for Administration and Finance as interim president. King was largely responsible for JMU’s investment in athletic facilities over the last 25 years.

Charlie King, who got his undergraduate and master’s at…Appalachian State. I swear, you can’t make this stuff up.

You’re absolutely correct. I’m surprised App St. hasn’t declared Charlie as a “persona non grata”

On Charlie’s retirement in 2021 JMU named a major academic building “King Hall” in his honor.

Nah. Especially since the interim chancellor we just appointed yesterday is a JMU grad.

It’s kinda like when two semis carrying pulp wood pass one another on a two lane road. Couldn’t they have saved some gas and gone to the sawmill closer to their respective chainsaws?

(04-20-2024 07:17 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(04-20-2024 07:10 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-20-2024 07:05 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(04-20-2024 06:59 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  JMU BOV appoints Charlie King, JMU’s recently retired Exective VP for Administration and Finance as interim president. King was largely responsible for JMU’s investment in athletic facilities over the last 25 years.

Charlie King, who got his undergraduate and master’s at…Appalachian State. I swear, you can’t make this stuff up.

You’re absolutely correct. I’m surprised App St. hasn’t declared Charlie as a “persona non grata”

On Charlie’s retirement in 2021 JMU named a major academic building “King Hall” in his honor.

Nah. Especially since the interim chancellor we just appointed yesterday is a JMU grad.

It’s kinda like when two semis carrying pulp wood pass one another on a two lane road. Couldn’t they have saved some gas and gone to the sawmill closer to their respective chainsaws?

We gotta watch out. People will begin to say our senior administrators are just part of an incestuous hillbilly clan!

(04-20-2024 07:28 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-20-2024 07:17 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(04-20-2024 07:10 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-20-2024 07:05 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(04-20-2024 06:59 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  JMU BOV appoints Charlie King, JMU’s recently retired Exective VP for Administration and Finance as interim president. King was largely responsible for JMU’s investment in athletic facilities over the last 25 years.

Charlie King, who got his undergraduate and master’s at…Appalachian State. I swear, you can’t make this stuff up.

You’re absolutely correct. I’m surprised App St. hasn’t declared Charlie as a “persona non grata”

On Charlie’s retirement in 2021 JMU named a major academic building “King Hall” in his honor.

Nah. Especially since the interim chancellor we just appointed yesterday is a JMU grad.

It’s kinda like when two semis carrying pulp wood pass one another on a two lane road. Couldn’t they have saved some gas and gone to the sawmill closer to their respective chainsaws?

We gotta watch out. People will begin to say our senior administrators are just part of an incestuous hillbilly clan!

Might want to see if Marshall wants to join in.

(04-17-2024 01:25 PM)hapapp Wrote:  

(04-17-2024 08:20 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 08:53 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  Someone I know who worked in Athletics as an intern Tweeted "For her big picture work, in terms of growing the university, I have almost nothing but praise for her. For her day to day overseeing the school and student-school relations, I have almost nothing but criticism for her." That's pretty dead on IMO.

Everts had a popemobile (a three-row golf cart with windows and a roof) that she was seen in around campus a lot. That made her appear unapproachable.

The Chancellor's Tailgate was across the road from where I tailgate. It wasn't there every home football game. But when it was, they not only had the plastic walls that come with a huge tent, but staff would put up a temporary white picket fence around it all, making it look more stuffy and uptight. I never saw that thing full of people and half of them were administrators.

Point being, Everts on-the-ground optics were elitist and snobby.

Something that personally made a lot of people mad was that she never gave the "Chancellor Emeritus" title to her predecessor Ken Peacock, as is customary. And when he died last fall, she didn't go to his on-campus memorial service.

Her personal standing has fallen so far that besides the Board of Trustees and the UNC BOG (the bosses of all 16 system campus chancellors) issuing statements, I've seen no one else comment positively on her leaving. One County Commissioner, a retired App professor who runs a popular local weather website, asked on Facebook if students were jumping into Duck Pond to celebrate. A Boone Town Council member said something to the effect of "ding dong the witch is dead."

Something else I've since learned is that the UNC Board of Governor's personnel committee had called a special meeting for Noon on Monday to discuss personnel in closed session. The board meets on Wednesday and Thursday for a regular meeting (where it's expected an interim will be named), so to call a Monday special meeting was significant. Everts' announcement was at 11 a.m., an hour before that meeting.

And for clarity, I was told Everts was going to be out a few weeks ago. I was told this past weekend it would be this week.

I think at the end of the day, you judge the success of a school CEO on the former rather than the latter. Therefore on the balance of things, Everts was a successful Chancellor for App.

Its funny one of the (legitimate) criticisms of Everts is that she was elitist and stuffy, which at some point is a prerequisite for her position and what made Ken Peacock such an anomaly.

IMO her successor needs to be a little elitist and court some big time funding in order to grow App into the next step.

As far as fund raising goes, her tenure was record setting and the endowment doubled in her time. I think she had burned enough bridges that it was best for her departure but there are some who refuse to acknowledge that she had any accomplishments. The fact that some would never forgive her for not using the correct pronunciation of the school when first hired was pretty shallow. She did step on a lot of toes and the faculty had turned against her. But, she did leave App in better shape than when she arrived.

Again not knowing the reality in Boone but having watched A-State and what has unfolded at Little Rock and being unable to avoid news of the School Out West, my thought is there are rare instances where things line up and a university CEO can be beloved and have a long tenure with great support.

Most of the time, once the new and shiny wears off and you prove to not be the fantasy perfect CEO you slowly build up opponents. Generally you've got some entrenchment holding the school back and have to break that line and piss off even more people off to advance. That adds to the opponent count.

(04-15-2024 11:15 PM)PhillyApp1 Wrote:  A lot people at App love to piss and moan .
TDog has the most balanced view of her.
She was constantly being blackmailed by LGBT and others .
She followed the most liked Chancellor ever.

Like most of us, she did her best.... and I am thankful for her service.
She was brave in many ways..... politics I believe were crushing her.... she aged a lot in recent years.

Sounds like a lot of the woke cultists played a big part in reading through all this. Sad if you don't bend the knee to every far-left group out there they never leave you alone. Get the feeling she was big picture and not into pleasing every whiny person or group. Sun Belt could use her if those in the actual know like T-Dog praised her vision. Unfortunately, people today especially young folks want their delusions and opinions forced down everyone's throats and take disagreement or non-support as hate. I don't know what App has to complain about seems like they have been trending up like a lot of Belt schools. Hard for any non left leaning person to be in a university these days. I know first hand as my wife went back to college and having to hear her Govt teacher talk, I literally can take about 30 seconds of single with cats dude even breathe much less talk.