American Athletic
Central Florida........$88,199,644
SMU......................$86,044,162
Houston................$84,023,065
Cincinnati..............$77,436,016
South Florida.........$70,344,509
Temple.................$68,819,131
Memphis...............$64,332,894
East Carolina.........$60,875,612
Tulsa....................$46,552,301
Tulane..................$43,392,842

Atlantic Coast
Notre Dame........$224,191,928
Florida State.......$170,434,508
Miami................$159,633,958
Louisville............$155,191,814
Duke.................$152,509,818
Clemson.............$152,093,316
North Carolina.....$137,918,817
Pittsburgh...........$136,704,076
Virginia Tech........$129,705,818
Virginia...............$125,968,540
NC State.............$121,444,506
Boston College.....$118,430,392
Georgia Tech........$115,654,077
Syracuse..............$113,510,249
Wake Forest...........$97,298,475

Big Ten
Ohio State............$249,698,974
Michigan..............$206,514,688
Penn State...........$201,533,972
Nebraska.............$197,009,548
Wisconsin............$190,554,690
Iowa...................$166,886,577
Michigan State......$149,254,610
Indiana................$143,221,485
Minnesota............$136,614,891
Illinois.................$134,767,269
Rutgers...............$130,221,793
Purdue................$124,290,313
Maryland.............$121,183,392
Northwestern.......$117,587,514

Big 12
Texas..................$261,353,404
Kansas................$205,747,275
Oklahoma............$183,919,881
TCU....................$149,297,918
Baylor.................$137,460,582
Texas Tech...........$123,551,688
Oklahoma State....$119,235,776
West Virginia........$103,142,400
Kansas State........$102,332,761
Iowa State.............$93,048,114

Conference USA
Rice..........................$51,832,652
North Texas...............$50,339,520
Texas-San Antonio......$44,777,300
UAB..........................$42,530,724
Florida International....$41,445,861
Florida Atlantic............$39,202,450
NC-Charlotte...............$38,472,125
Middle Tennessee.........$35,578,198
Texas-El Paso..............$30,697,874
Louisiana Tech.............$27,808,448
Western Kentucky........$25,400,653

Independents
BYU......................$106,430,702
UCONN...................$83,120,168
Liberty....................$62,539,066
UMASS....................$47,604,239
New Mexico State......$35,828,331

Mid-American
Western Michigan.......$40,804,290
Miami.......................$39,126,336
Central Michigan........$35,740,895
Eastern Michigan........$35,555,897
Toledo.......................$34,919,422
Kent State.................$33,308,164
Buffalo......................$30,478,190
Bowling Green............$30,310,123
Ohio..........................$30,138,630
Ball State...................$28,979,328
Akron........................$28,265,821
Northern Illinois..........$24,692,669

Mountain West
San Diego State..........$96,611,757
Colorado State............$61,535,599
UNLV..........................$57,517,603
Boise State.................$52,634,912
Fresno State...............$51,120,332
Hawaii........................$50,588,554
Nevada.......................$49,524,849
Wyoming....................$47,746,153
New Mexico.................$46,655,963
Utah State...................$45,575,192
San Jose State.............$43,937,589

PAC 12
USC.....................$212,013,703
Stanford...............$179,645,688
Washington...........$154,849,477
UCLA....................$141,964,728
Arizona.................$138,761,638
Colorado...............$136,114,468
California..............$134,872,865
Oregon.................$132,359,145
Arizona State.........$128,265,591
Utah.....................$111,483,459
Oregon State...........$97,792,784
Washington State.....$79,015,052

Southeastern
Georgia................$210,108,069
LSU.....................$200,476,979
Texas A&M............$194,254,820
Auburn.................$192,658,903
Tennessee.............$191,271,254
Alabama...............$191,190,486
Florida..................$176,795,879
Arkansas...............$170,990,473
Kentucky...............$166,423,002
South Carolina.......$160,420,147
Mississippi.............$136,764,296
Vanderbilt..............$125,133,666
Missouri.................$124,293,939
Mississippi State......$115,664,788

Sun Belt
James Madison..........$57,767,541
Old Dominion............$48,623,590
Marshall...................$43,778,074
Texas State...............$42,700,888
Louisiana..................$38,961,026
Appalachian State......$38,816,356
Georgia State............$38,421,792
Coastal Carolina.........$38,153,878
Georgia Southern.......$35,614,506
Troy..........................$28,800,917
South Alabama...........$28,658,603
Southern Mississippi....$27,676,039
Arkansas State...........$24,654,674
Louisiana-Monroe........$18,518,405

So, ND was, what, #3 in the nation in athletic revenues....before the new NBC deal even kicks in and adds $30-40 million a year to that total ?

That also doesn't include re-upping with Under Armour a few months ago for the most lucrative apparel deal in college sports history.

Do I have that right?

Where are the people who think that "money gap" issues will force ND's hand?

The number that jumps out to me is honestly Stanford’s figure. Their athletic revenue is higher than both Florida and FSU along with being in the top half of both the Big Ten and SEC without having had the benefit of Big Ten/SEC conference revenue inflating that number. Yet, it’s a constant theme here that Stanford is supposedly going to downgrade in sports at some point.

Maybe now some folks will also begin to understand why I've been bullish on Kansas.

Agree with Frank on Stanford too.

On a G level, 5 of the top 7 are now Ps. UConn who was #6 didn't make it but #7 Cincinnati did. SDSU was the other.

6 of the top 7 in CUSA moved to the AAC, only FIU missing.

SDSU has drastically increased their spending, and prior to the Pac 12 implosion, were on the verge of getting their golden ticket.

Also, first in the MAC would be last in the AAC or MWC. Except for 3 newbies, the rest of the Sun Belt would be last in the AAC or MWC. Only Liberty of the future CUSA schools outspent Tulane, who was last in the AAC.

(04-12-2024 11:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  On a G level, 5 of the top 7 are now Ps. UConn who was #6 didn't make it but #7 Cincinnati did. SDSU was the other.

6 of the top 7 in CUSA moved to the AAC, only FIU missing.

SDSU has drastically increased their spending, and prior to the Pac 12 implosion, were on the verge of getting their golden ticket.

2 of the top 4 in CUSA went to the SBC a year earlier.

So for expansion thoughts, there are 17 non-P4 schools over $50 million:
Oregon State...........$97,792,784
San Diego State..........$96,611,757
UCONN...................$83,120,168
Washington State.....$79,015,052
South Florida.........$70,344,509
Temple.................$68,819,131
Memphis...............$64,332,894
Liberty....................$62,539,066
Colorado State............$61,535,599
East Carolina.........$60,875,612
James Madison..........$57,767,541
UNLV..........................$57,517,603
Boise State.................$52,634,912
Rice..........................$51,832,652
Fresno State...............$51,120,332
Hawaii........................$50,588,554
North Texas...............$50,339,520

That was another year with explosive revenue growth in college athletics. The future P4 programs averaged 11% increase in EADA reported revenues in FY2022-23 (versus the prior year; from $134.6M to $148.9M).

It’s the nB12 that had the programs with the biggest increases in revenue. Overall, reported revenues for nB12 programs increased by 19%. The programs with the biggest increases,

School…prior yr $…FY22-23 $…%
Kansas…..$125M….$206M….65%+
Colorado..$96………$136…….42%+
Cincy………$61………$77….….28%+
Baylor…….$111……$138…….24%+
ASU………..$107…..$128…….20%+

nACC…….$126.3…$139.5
nB12…….$100.3…$119.0
nB1G……$149.0….$161.7
nSEC…….$161.9…$175.1
nP4………$134.6….$148.9

Some of these revenues each year are skewed by donations for capital projects like new or revamped stadiums and facilities.

(04-12-2024 12:26 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Some of these revenues each year are skewed by donations for capital projects like new or revamped stadiums and facilities.

Of course they are. What's relevant about that is it shows the depth of the pockets behind the schools and what they are capable of doing to compete in facilities and in various sports.

(04-12-2024 11:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  So for expansion thoughts, there are 17 non-P4 schools over $50 million:
Oregon State...........$97,792,784
San Diego State..........$96,611,757
UCONN...................$83,120,168
Washington State.....$79,015,052
South Florida.........$70,344,509
Temple.................$68,819,131
Memphis...............$64,332,894
Liberty....................$62,539,066
Colorado State............$61,535,599
East Carolina.........$60,875,612
James Madison..........$57,767,541
UNLV..........................$57,517,603
Boise State.................$52,634,912
Rice..........................$51,832,652
Fresno State...............$51,120,332
Hawaii........................$50,588,554
North Texas...............$50,339,520

We were right below that level as well, without having any real source of media money coming in (or CFP money or other bowl money...or a good football team or competent basketball).

Even though Boise State is down, they have broken the record for a single game attendance the last two years. Imagine where they will be today if they have the media money in the Big 12?

(04-12-2024 11:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  So for expansion thoughts, there are 17 non-P4 schools over $50 million:
Oregon State...........$97,792,784
San Diego State..........$96,611,757
UCONN...................$83,120,168
Washington State.....$79,015,052
South Florida.........$70,344,509
Temple.................$68,819,131
Memphis...............$64,332,894
Liberty....................$62,539,066
Colorado State............$61,535,599
East Carolina.........$60,875,612
James Madison..........$57,767,541
UNLV..........................$57,517,603
Boise State.................$52,634,912
Rice..........................$51,832,652
Fresno State...............$51,120,332
Hawaii........................$50,588,554
North Texas...............$50,339,520

Only 5 good football teams in this list.

(04-12-2024 11:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  So for expansion thoughts, there are 17 non-P4 schools over $50 million:
Oregon State...........$97,792,784
San Diego State..........$96,611,757
UCONN...................$83,120,168
Washington State.....$79,015,052
South Florida.........$70,344,509
Temple.................$68,819,131
Memphis...............$64,332,894
Liberty....................$62,539,066
Colorado State............$61,535,599
East Carolina.........$60,875,612
James Madison..........$57,767,541
UNLV..........................$57,517,603
Boise State.................$52,634,912
Rice..........................$51,832,652
Fresno State...............$51,120,332
Hawaii........................$50,588,554
North Texas...............$50,339,520

Three observations...

What is impressive? SDSU and UConn are spending at levels of the low-end power conference programs...but they're doing this without power conference media deals. Maybe SDSU's revenues are a one-time aberration resulting from the opening of Snapdragon Stadium. Regardless, these schools are both in very affluent markets and should be good expansion candidates because they have upside potential.

What is not surprising? Oregon State and WSU have an advantage from being part of the PAC. Strong opponents allow these programs to better tap their donors. The question is whether they can maintain their revenue after this year. They have an advantage if expansion is needed in the near future, but there is a clear financial ceiling to these programs.

What is the floor (outer-limit) of P4 revenues? The B1G and SEC have completely separated themselves financially from the non-P4 programs...they will not consider any expansion candidates from outside the ACC or B12. All the P4 programs that have low revenues will be in the B12 (WVU, K State, BYU, ISU, Houston, UCF and Cincy) or ACC (WF and SMU). Yet the ACC and B12 need to stay close to the B1G and SEC in terms of revenues. Cincinnati (@ $77M) had the lowest revenues of the programs that will be in the P4. The Mendoza line is around USF, Temple and Memphis in terms of required revenue to be considered. At most there only 4 to 7 non-P4 schools that meet the revenue requirements of the B12 or ACC.

SDSU's revenue jumped ~$38MM (57%!) this past year after the opening of their stadium and athletics success. Hope to see USF follow a similar trajectory with some sustained success these next couple of years and the stadium opening in 2027. I think we could be in the same ballpark of revenue (~100-110MM) for 27/28 with less than $10M coming from conference distributions.

(04-12-2024 12:05 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  That was another year with explosive revenue growth in college athletics. The future P4 programs averaged 11% increase in EADA reported revenues in FY2022-23 (versus the prior year; from $134.6M to $148.9M).

It’s the nB12 that had the programs with the biggest increases in revenue. Overall, reported revenues for nB12 programs increased by 19%. The programs with the biggest increases,

School…prior yr $…FY22-23 $…%
Kansas…..$125M….$206M….65%+
Colorado..$96………$136…….42%+
Cincy………$61………$77….….28%+
Baylor…….$111……$138…….24%+
ASU………..$107…..$128…….20%+

nACC…….$126.3…$139.5
nB12…….$100.3…$119.0
nB1G……$149.0….$161.7
nSEC…….$161.9…$175.1
nP4………$134.6….$148.9

I know JR has been bullish on Kansas (as a fan, I am too), but can their revenue have gone up by that percentage in one year? Donations must have come in for the football coach's (and program's) new success. I mean, they are about $1M behind Michigan, and this is a year before Michigan wins the NC in football. I hope it keeps up.

(04-12-2024 10:00 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Maybe now some folks will also begin to understand why I've been bullish on Kansas.

Agree with Frank on Stanford too.

Isn’t it amazing what a competent and competitive football program can do for an athletic department?

(04-13-2024 09:43 PM)Porcine Wrote:  I used ESPN's 2022 football standings for conferences.

Atlantic Sun
Kennesaw State........$30,783,810
Eastern Kentucky......$23,088,272
Austin Peay..............$22,249,063
Jacksonville State......$22,159,540
Central Arkansas.......$15,186,832
North Alabama..........$13,955,756

Big Sky
UC-Davis..................$40,571,193
Sacramento State......$34,284,776
Cal Poly SLO..............$31,249,116
Montana State...........$28,589,654
Montana....................$24,897,723
Idaho........................$23,141,397
Northern Arizona.........$22,619,926
Northern Colorado.......$20,171,855
Eastern Washington.....$19,263,928
Portland State.............$18,490,681
Weber State...............$17,889,271
Idaho State................$15,560,263

Big South
Campbell.....................$30,027,747
Bryant.........................$24,327,303
Robert Morris................$17,641,388
North Carolina A&T........$16,391,602
Gardner-Webb..............$13,954,647
Charleston Southern.....$13,327,550

Coastal Athletic Association
Villanova.....................$58,703,280
Delaware.....................$44,957,890
Richmond....................$43,472,970
Stony Brook.................$36,810,655
Rhode Island................$35,445,779
New Hampshire.............$35,261,617
William & Mary..............$34,044,814
Elon............................$33,613,892
Monmouth....................$30,565,748
Towson........................$27,643,056
Maine..........................$26,711,496
Albany.........................$21,504,447
Hampton.....................$11,287,652

Ivy League
Yale..........................$75,637,664
Pennsylvania.............$46,277,380
Princeton..................$44,300,839
Harvard....................$39,568,660
Dartmouth................$38,642,041
Columbia..................$38,335,736
Cornell.....................$36,342,322
Brown......................$36,265,052

Mid-Eastern Athletic
Morgan State.................$19,470,158
Howard.........................$19,119,613
Norfolk State..................$17,340,285
Delaware State...............$15,986,336
South Carolina State........$12,905,128
North Carolina Central......$11,028,437

Missouri Valley Football
North Dakota State........$30,332,023
Illinois State..................$29,887,805
North Dakota.................$29,323,140
South Dakota State.........$24,184,193
Southern Illinois.............$23,715,044
Missouri State................$22,698,010
Youngstown State...........$20,275,708
South Dakota.................$19,665,874
Indiana State.................$19,354,786
Northern Iowa................$18,823,378
Western Illinois.................$8,185,022

Northeast
Long Island..................$42,527,621
Sacred Heart................$36,865,165
Merrimack....................$28,747,018
Duquesne.....................$26,560,156
Wagner.........................$22,026,021
St. Francis (PA).............$17,308,120
Central Connecticut........$16,873,996
Stonehill........................$12,196,426

Ohio Valley
Lindenwood....................$19,951,519
Murray State...................$19,113,740
Tennessee State...............$18,552,022
Tennessee Tech................$16,474,801
Tennessee-Martin.............$15,151,104
SEMO.............................$15,072,513
Eastern Illinois.................$13,853,180

Patriot League
Georgetown...................$68,972,755
Fordham........................$43,971,302
Lehigh...........................$41,551,436
Colgate..........................$37,239,028
Bucknell.........................$33,643,542
Holy Cross......................$32,819,968
Lafayette........................$29,931,805

Pioneer Football League
Dayton.....................$40,104,753
San Diego.................$34,031,237
Butler........................$32,370,059
Stetson.....................$24,128,723
Davidson...................$23,584,891
St. Thomas................$22,370,292
Marist........................$21,541,298
Drake........................$19,927,305
Valparaiso..................$15,971,802
Presbyterian...............$12,175,117
Morehead State............$9,349,505

Southern
Furman..........................$31,040,151
Wofford..........................$27,302,198
Mercer............................$26,313,037
Tennessee-Chattanooga....$22,033,838
Samford.........................$21,411,379
The Citadel.....................$20,103,895
East Tennessee State.......$19,245,116
VMI...............................$17,878,292
Western Carolina.............$15,368,314

Southland
Incarnate Word...............$24,544,713
Lamar............................$21,287,614
Houston Christian............$20,167,919
Southeastern Louisiana....$15,750,278
Texas A&M-Commerce......$15,568,324
McNeese State.................$14,991,656
Northwestern State...........$13,074,407
Nicholls State...................$11,658,725

Southwestern Athletic Conference
Prairie View A&M...........$14,818,343
Alabama State...............$14,444,678
Texas Southern..............$13,916,643
Bethune-Cookman..........$13,636,502
Southern.......................$13,435,629
Florida A&M...................$13,112,757
Grambling State.............$12,689,321
Alabama A&M.................$11,320,919
Jackson State...................$9,967,698
Arkansas-Pine Bluff...........$8,954,338
Alcorn State.....................$6,924,619
Mississippi Valley State......$4,793,446

Western Athletic Conference
Stephen F. Austin............$24,962,955
Abilene Christian.............$23,809,978
Sam Houston State..........$22,484,292
Tarleton State..................$22,035,629
Southern Utah..................$16,543,527
Utah Tech........................$16,367,376

Just wanted to add this so we have a more complete picture of Division 1.

(04-12-2024 11:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  So for expansion thoughts, there are 17 non-P4 schools over $50 million:
Oregon State...........$97,792,784
San Diego State..........$96,611,757
UCONN...................$83,120,168
Washington State.....$79,015,052
South Florida.........$70,344,509
Temple.................$68,819,131
Memphis...............$64,332,894
Liberty....................$62,539,066
Colorado State............$61,535,599
East Carolina.........$60,875,612
James Madison..........$57,767,541
UNLV..........................$57,517,603
Boise State.................$52,634,912
Rice..........................$51,832,652
Fresno State...............$51,120,332
Hawaii........................$50,588,554
North Texas...............$50,339,520

this is interesting and good news from a North Texas perspective. I knew UNT was set on increasing our athletic budget to match those of the top quarter of the conference, but I didn't foresee the Mean Green reaching the $50million mark for another year or so. A $60 or $65 million athletic budget within the next 5 years is now very possible.

What I also find very interesting is the rate for growth some of these programs are achieving. Here is a ranking of the growth over the last 5 years. (I couldn't find numbers for Temple or Liberty)

1. SDSU +$41million (That is incredible growth over a 5-year span and make them a prime target for any new "best-of-the-rest" conference, the PAC2 might be cooking up)
2. South Florida +$15million (Certainly an investment worthy of an AAU university, and the ACC has to be taking notice)
3. North Texas +$9million (Can this pace of growth continue? Yes, UNT has increased their annual athletic budget by $30million over the last decade)
3. Rice +$9million (Like UNT, Rice has increased their budget by $20million over the last decade)
5. Memphis +$8million (Commitment like this along with the new renovations to the liberty bowl, make the Tigers even more attractive)
6. UNLV +$6million (Solid growth and certainly a target for the PAC2, if they move to rebuild)
7. Colorado State +$5million (See UNLV)

Add Tulane in place of South Florida, and this could be the list WSU & OSU are working from. If those two are serious about rebuilding, we should know something about who they are looking at before next season starts.