Awesome article. B12 has been crazy good. Only complaint would be the horrific officiating. I thought the AAC refs were bad, holy moly was I wrong.

(02-10-2024 06:54 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Awesome article. B12 has been crazy good. Only complaint would be the horrific officiating. I thought the AAC refs were bad, holy moly was I wrong.

Just exactly WHO are "the Big12 refs"?

(02-11-2024 10:27 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 06:54 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Awesome article. B12 has been crazy good. Only complaint would be the horrific officiating. I thought the AAC refs were bad, holy moly was I wrong.

Just exactly are "the Big12 refs"?

What are you even trying to say?

(02-13-2024 09:08 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 10:27 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 06:54 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Awesome article. B12 has been crazy good. Only complaint would be the horrific officiating. I thought the AAC refs were bad, holy moly was I wrong.

Just exactly WHO are "the Big12 refs"?

What are you even trying to say?

I'm not sure I know what you mean...

(02-14-2024 09:32 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 09:08 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 10:27 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 06:54 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Awesome article. B12 has been crazy good. Only complaint would be the horrific officiating. I thought the AAC refs were bad, holy moly was I wrong.

Just exactly WHO are "the Big12 refs"?

What are you even trying to say?

I'm not sure I know what you mean...

The refs that are employed by the B12? What are you not understanding?

(02-14-2024 12:41 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 09:32 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 09:08 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 10:27 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 06:54 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Awesome article. B12 has been crazy good. Only complaint would be the horrific officiating. I thought the AAC refs were bad, holy moly was I wrong.

Just exactly WHO are "the Big12 refs"?

What are you even trying to say?

I'm not sure I know what you mean...

The refs that are employed by the B12? What are you not understanding?

Apparently I understand that you cannot name any refs employed by the B12 - because there aren't any.

That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works.

The Big 12 Conference will partner with Conference USA and the Ohio Valley and Southland Conferences to create a newly-formed consortium to manage its basketball officiating programs, as announced by the four conference commissioners.

Curtis Shaw, a veteran men’s college basketball referee for more than 20 years, will handle duties as Coordinator of Officials for the four leagues. He will be responsible for the recruiting, training, assigning and evaluating of men’s basketball officials for each conference within the consortium. Shaw was named Big 12 Coordinator of Officials in September and spent the 2009-10 season working with outgoing coordinator Dale Kelley in ensuring a smooth transition for the Conference.

The officials are contract employees and can only be "disciplined" by having assignments to our league reduced.

(02-14-2024 04:43 PM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 12:41 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 09:32 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 09:08 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 10:27 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  Just exactly WHO are "the Big12 refs"?

What are you even trying to say?

I'm not sure I know what you mean...

The refs that are employed by the B12? What are you not understanding?

Apparently I understand that you cannot name any refs employed by the B12 - because there aren't any.

That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works.

The Big 12 Conference will partner with Conference USA and the Ohio Valley and Southland Conferences to create a newly-formed consortium to manage its basketball officiating programs, as announced by the four conference commissioners.

Curtis Shaw, a veteran men’s college basketball referee for more than 20 years, will handle duties as Coordinator of Officials for the four leagues. He will be responsible for the recruiting, training, assigning and evaluating of men’s basketball officials for each conference within the consortium. Shaw was named Big 12 Coordinator of Officials in September and spent the 2009-10 season working with outgoing coordinator Dale Kelley in ensuring a smooth transition for the Conference.

The officials are contract employees and can only be "disciplined" by having assignments to our league reduced.

The Big 12 does have refs dude. Why do you think Scott Drew was talking about the LEAGUE OFFICIATING.

(02-15-2024 09:17 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  The Big 12 does have refs dude. Why do you think Scott Drew was talking about the LEAGUE OFFICIATING.

OMG.... I posted how the refs are hired and who hires them, and IT IS NOT THE Big12.

The conference does have some say-so on how they want the league officiated, but they cannot do anything because the refs are not "conference refs". They are contractors for the consortium.

The B12 does have some influence on how the consortium refs are trained, and can refuse to allow certain refs to officiate B12 games, but that's it.

The B12 uses refs that do not officiate B1G games (for example), so in that extreme context the B12 "has refs", but none of them are B12 employees.

(02-15-2024 09:31 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 09:17 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  The Big 12 does have refs dude. Why do you think Scott Drew was talking about the LEAGUE OFFICIATING.

OMG.... I posted how the refs are hired and who hires them, and IT IS NOT THE Big12.

The conference does have some say-so on how they want the league officiated, but they cannot do anything because the refs are not "conference refs". They are contractors for the consortium.

The B12 does have some influence on how the consortium refs are trained, and can refuse to allow certain refs to officiate B12 games, but that's it.

The B12 uses refs that do not officiate B1G games (for example), so in that extreme context the B12 "has refs", but none of them are B12 employees.

this is just a move by the B12 to try and shift blame or distance yourself from a problem. these refs are ours just done in a way to provide some distance.

(02-15-2024 09:31 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 09:17 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  The Big 12 does have refs dude. Why do you think Scott Drew was talking about the LEAGUE OFFICIATING.

OMG.... I posted how the refs are hired and who hires them, and IT IS NOT THE Big12.

The conference does have some say-so on how they want the league officiated, but they cannot do anything because the refs are not "conference refs". They are contractors for the consortium.

The B12 does have some influence on how the consortium refs are trained, and can refuse to allow certain refs to officiate B12 games, but that's it.

The B12 uses refs that do not officiate B1G games (for example), so in that extreme context the B12 "has refs", but none of them are B12 employees.

They’re B12 refs dude, no one considers them as “non B12 officials”

(02-15-2024 11:50 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  They’re B12 refs dude, no one considers them as “non B12 officials”

but that was not the comments that were being made. (about employees, etc.)

and yes EVERYONE considers them to be consortium refs, they are refs of FOUR conferences. Do those conferences complain about the "Big 12 refs"? Of course not, because they are their refs.

Every big league has a consortium with other conferences.

These refs officiate multiple games from multiple conferences in the same week. Are they Big12 refs then, or are they the refs from that conference they're officiating?

Answer: they are refs from the consortium that we belong to, and are contracted to officiate games from multiple conferences.