So... Yormark gave away our Tier 3 sports to land this below market Media deal, and now Disney/ESPN turns around and offers the content to a new streaming service that we would need to buy. That tool got worked on our contract. My goodness.

WTH?

Disney, Fox and Warner Bros. Discovery Are Creating a New Sports Streaming Service

The new offering will include games from all four major US sports leagues, including the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB as well as major college conferences.

College conference networks like the ACC Network, Big Ten Network and SEC Network are included, as is ESPN Plus.

There's no name or pricing for the new service, though it's "scheduled to launch in the fall of 2024" and would be available in a new app. A bundle with "Disney Plus, Hulu and/or Max" is also mentioned in the press release announcing the news, though details on what such a bundle would look like are similarly not yet known.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-s...g-service/

"A bundle with "Disney Plus, Hulu and/or Max" is also mentioned in the press release announcing the news, though details on what such a bundle would look like are similarly not yet known."

Does this mean ESPN+ is going to be separated from Disney Plus and Hulu? If that's the case, I'll say bye-bye to Disney Plus and Hulu.

(02-06-2024 06:24 PM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  So... Yormark gave away our Tier 3 sports to land this below market Media deal, and now Disney/ESPN turns around and offers the content to a new streaming service that we would need to buy. That tool got worked on our contract. My goodness.

WTH?

Disney, Fox and Warner Bros. Discovery Are Creating a New Sports Streaming Service

The new offering will include games from all four major US sports leagues, including the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB as well as major college conferences.

College conference networks like the ACC Network, Big Ten Network and SEC Network are included, as is ESPN Plus.

There's no name or pricing for the new service, though it's "scheduled to launch in the fall of 2024" and would be available in a new app. A bundle with "Disney Plus, Hulu and/or Max" is also mentioned in the press release announcing the news, though details on what such a bundle would look like are similarly not yet known.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-s...g-service/

As opposed to holding his ground and saying "no deal" over this? The man thread a needle here. We always could have been greedy like the PAC. I hear that worked out well for the conference.

Reading is fundamental.

Everything ESPN offers will be on the app. This includes ACCN, SECN and the Big Ten Network.

Basically this means if you are paying for cable because you want the sports package you don't have to do it anymore.

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(02-06-2024 06:24 PM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  So... Yormark gave away our Tier 3 sports to land this below market Media deal, and now Disney/ESPN turns around and offers the content to a new streaming service that we would need to buy. That tool got worked on our contract. My goodness.

WTH?

Disney, Fox and Warner Bros. Discovery Are Creating a New Sports Streaming Service

The new offering will include games from all four major US sports leagues, including the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB as well as major college conferences.

College conference networks like the ACC Network, Big Ten Network and SEC Network are included, as is ESPN Plus.

There's no name or pricing for the new service, though it's "scheduled to launch in the fall of 2024" and would be available in a new app. A bundle with "Disney Plus, Hulu and/or Max" is also mentioned in the press release announcing the news, though details on what such a bundle would look like are similarly not yet known.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-s...g-service/

Everyone was talking about B12 getting less than 25 mil a team. He brought in a 31.7 mil deal where in the hell do you get a below market out of that. Add to it the fact that it is fairly short term he did great. Lets not rewrite history. This deal is what killed the PAC.

(02-07-2024 05:36 AM)otown Wrote:  As opposed to holding his ground and saying "no deal" over this? The man thread a needle here. We always could have been greedy like the PAC. I hear that worked out well for the conference.

please compare apples to apples. The Pac12 did not have very good content, and had very poor time slots. They were never going to get a better deal than the B12, no matter what. and "this" was not on the table when Yormark gave away our tier-3 rights.

It should be interesting to see how this shakes out. I don't really have any interest in the Pro sports, so for me this is no different than my Disney/ESPN/HULU bundle.

Oh, and I hope you and Yormark enjoy the KU/Houston BB game next year... IN MEXICO. SMH

I don't understand the complaint here. This is just another YouTubeTV type deal. We'll see what the price is when it comes out, but likely I'll be dropping YouTubeTV and picking this up and I'll probably save some money in the process.

Haha at being concerned about tier 3 rights.

The PAC-12 was greedy and wanted $50M/team. They had a similar deal as the B12 on the table and they rejected it so the ESPN told them to pound sand.

(02-06-2024 06:24 PM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  So... Yormark gave away our Tier 3 sports to land this below market Media deal, and now Disney/ESPN turns around and offers the content to a new streaming service that we would need to buy. That tool got worked on our contract. My goodness.

WTH?

Disney, Fox and Warner Bros. Discovery Are Creating a New Sports Streaming Service

The new offering will include games from all four major US sports leagues, including the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB as well as major college conferences.

College conference networks like the ACC Network, Big Ten Network and SEC Network are included, as is ESPN Plus.

There's no name or pricing for the new service, though it's "scheduled to launch in the fall of 2024" and would be available in a new app. A bundle with "Disney Plus, Hulu and/or Max" is also mentioned in the press release announcing the news, though details on what such a bundle would look like are similarly not yet known.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-s...g-service/

Did you actually read the article?

(02-07-2024 09:01 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 06:24 PM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  So... Yormark gave away our Tier 3 sports to land this below market Media deal, and now Disney/ESPN turns around and offers the content to a new streaming service that we would need to buy. That tool got worked on our contract. My goodness.

WTH?

Disney, Fox and Warner Bros. Discovery Are Creating a New Sports Streaming Service

The new offering will include games from all four major US sports leagues, including the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB as well as major college conferences.

College conference networks like the ACC Network, Big Ten Network and SEC Network are included, as is ESPN Plus.

There's no name or pricing for the new service, though it's "scheduled to launch in the fall of 2024" and would be available in a new app. A bundle with "Disney Plus, Hulu and/or Max" is also mentioned in the press release announcing the news, though details on what such a bundle would look like are similarly not yet known.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-s...g-service/

Everyone was talking about B12 getting less than 25 mil a team. He brought in a 31.7 mil deal where in the hell do you get a below market out of that. Add to it the fact that it is fairly short term he did great. Lets not rewrite history. This deal is what killed the PAC.

Exactly, he got the Big 12 a raise at a time that it was predicted to be a pay cut, and he bundled the Tier 3 rights, something that the Big 12 would likely not get huge value for yet, and guaranteed a rock solid relationship with ESPN and in exchange they gave the Big 12 a pro rata agreement.

(02-07-2024 11:03 AM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 09:01 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 06:24 PM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  So... Yormark gave away our Tier 3 sports to land this below market Media deal, and now Disney/ESPN turns around and offers the content to a new streaming service that we would need to buy. That tool got worked on our contract. My goodness.

WTH?

Disney, Fox and Warner Bros. Discovery Are Creating a New Sports Streaming Service

The new offering will include games from all four major US sports leagues, including the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB as well as major college conferences.

College conference networks like the ACC Network, Big Ten Network and SEC Network are included, as is ESPN Plus.

There's no name or pricing for the new service, though it's "scheduled to launch in the fall of 2024" and would be available in a new app. A bundle with "Disney Plus, Hulu and/or Max" is also mentioned in the press release announcing the news, though details on what such a bundle would look like are similarly not yet known.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-s...g-service/

Everyone was talking about B12 getting less than 25 mil a team. He brought in a 31.7 mil deal where in the hell do you get a below market out of that. Add to it the fact that it is fairly short term he did great. Lets not rewrite history. This deal is what killed the PAC.

Exactly, he got the Big 12 a raise at a time that it was predicted to be a pay cut, and he bundled the Tier 3 rights, something that the Big 12 would likely not get huge value for yet, and guaranteed a rock solid relationship with ESPN and in exchange they gave the Big 12 a pro rata agreement.

The B12 could easily have been making 20 to 25 mil per school right now, Pac pulled off the same and still be alive with 8 to 12 teams depending on adds. Yomark has been dead on all the time for the B12.

with RSN's going the way of the dodo bird, who exactly were individual big 12 schools going to sell their tier 3 rights for big money to anyway?

(02-07-2024 11:03 AM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  Exactly, he got the Big 12 a raise at a time that it was predicted to be a pay cut, and he bundled the Tier 3 rights, something that the Big 12 would likely not get huge value for yet, and guaranteed a rock solid relationship with ESPN and in exchange they gave the Big 12 a pro rata agreement.

we ALREADY had a deal with ESPN for the Tier-3 rights, OU and Texas were set to join in that package when their existing deals with ESPN ended (but they bolted first)

We could have gotten so much more, because ESPN and Fox were desparate for product, and we were the only conference with any product at decent time slots.

think what you want of him, the conference likely won't exist but a couple of more years.

Tier 3 is not big money, so don't know how much more you are talking about.

(02-07-2024 04:59 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  Tier 3 is not big money, so don't know how much more you are talking about.

Well.... SEC network is Tier 3, BET is tier 3, ACC network, etc., etc., and that's not including Yormark's big vision of making the B12 BB a separate product from football media deal. I guess the jury is out until that time, but our current media deal if for 6 freaking years.

(02-07-2024 06:27 PM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 04:59 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  Tier 3 is not big money, so don't know how much more you are talking about.

Well.... SEC network is Tier 3, BET is tier 3, ACC network, etc., etc., and that's not including Yormark's big vision of making the B12 BB a separate product from football media deal. I guess the jury is out until that time, but our current media deal if for 6 freaking years.

We won't know if splitting BB and FB will work until next TV go round. I still have my doubts but time will tell. This current deal was not about long term vision, it was about stability in the present. B12 added 4 new P5 schools, and could do 2 more tomorrow if it wished. None of that happens without the TV deal.

I don't know what's happening with the Big XII in 6 years or 10 years or whatever, but I'm going to enjoy the ride in this conference until I find a reason not to enjoy it. So far, I haven't seen a reason speaking simply from the perspective of one UCF fan. I don't agree with Yormark on some of his choices of musical "talent" for Roc Nation, but putting that unrelated topic aside, I think he's played the hand he was dealt as well as he could with this conference. Let's go out there and win; get as many teams as we can deep into the postseason tournaments of as many sports as possible, win as many national championships as we can, and control the things that can be controlled.

I personally don't get the Yormark bashing. I get that the person in charge is always going to be blamed for <insert reason here>, whether or not it is actually fair. The college sports/TV fight for money is certainly not a calm sea so riding out the waves rather than being upset the ride isn't smooth feels like a better way to go for me at least.

One part of that article that I found interesting is this:
Last year, a Yankees fan living in New York, for example, needed to subscribe to a variety of services to be able to catch all their games: the YES Network (for the bulk of local games), Apple TV Plus (for Friday Night Baseball), Peacock (for Sunday exclusive games), Amazon's Prime Video (for some exclusive games) as well as still keeping a cable package that gets ESPN (for Sunday Night Baseball), TBS, Fox and FS1.

Are there really fans who sit around watching all 162 Yankees games and subscribe to 5 different TV services to do it? I guess I'm in a completely different place in life as that super-fan. I rarely watch TV--and when I do, it is on demand as I can usually find what we want to watch somewhere (even if I rent/buy something on occasion it is cheaper than subscriptions I don't use most of the time). I subscribe to YouTubeTV during football season to pick up the live games and during the holidays when family visits (I love being able to turn it on/off month to month) and have ESPN+ through a promo with my phone provider. Even then, I found I missed about 3 football games due to other things going on and had to just catch scores, watch standings, etc. around life happenings. Even things like local news broadcasts rarely are watched in my house--you can get info anytime you want on your phone through the TV channel's app. Why wait until 5 or 6 o'clock and sit down to watch it on their schedule?