(01-23-2024 01:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The problem with hiring Penny is you can’t fire Penny… always has been.
If he leaves, it will have to be his decision.

Pastner dug the grave, and Tubby almost had the program covered up with dirt.
Penny brought it back to relevance.
You don't avoid hiring someone to resurrect a program because it might be hard to get rid of them if they are doing the job.
Ain't nobody firing Penny for continuing to bring the program back.

(01-23-2024 12:34 PM)Cletus Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

Memphis was the Conference Champion last season.


Men's Basketball
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Fair point. I was just showing reg season standings. I left out the part where Penny's Tigers have played for the tourney championship the past 2 years, and won last year.

(01-23-2024 04:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

But at least Silverfield wins in the post-season.

lol
Bowl games? You talkin bout bowl games?
Penny's teams have played in the postseason national championship playoffs the past 2 years, and won a game in that. How many CFP games has Ryan been in?
Bowl games are like the NIT - which, BTW, Penny's Tigers won the last time they played. 4 wins in that year alone.

(01-24-2024 05:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 01:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The problem with hiring Penny is you can’t fire Penny… always has been.
If he leaves, it will have to be his decision.

Pastner dug the grave, and Tubby almost had the program covered up with dirt.
Penny brought it back to relevance.
You don't avoid hiring someone to resurrect a program because it might be hard to get rid of them if they are doing the job.
Ain't nobody firing Penny for continuing to bring the program back.

Such a dead program that Bruce Pearl wanted the job…

The idea that Penny is keeping Memphis basketball relevant is a farce. We are in one of our longest Sweet 16 droughts in school history.

We have the 18th highest men’s basketball budget. Tubby was a dud, but Memphis was relevant well before Penny and will continue to be relevant
after he’s gone

How many more years do we give him until he makes it past the first weekend? What are your expectations for Penny?

Also, the idea that Penny needs us more than we need him is suspect

He collects a nice paycheck while keeping his name in the media and helping to revive what was becoming an irrelevant shoe line. Meanwhile, we recruit good players and create high expectations that end up resulting in drama and disappointing endings.

Historically, results in Penny’s tenure are below average for our program in the past 50 years. It’s working out OK for now, but with each season, the shine is wearing off. I’d say he has 3 more seasons to collect a Sweet 16.

Again, we have the 18th highest men’s basketball budget in the country

(01-24-2024 05:47 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 01:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The problem with hiring Penny is you can’t fire Penny… always has been.
If he leaves, it will have to be his decision.

Pastner dug the grave, and Tubby almost had the program covered up with dirt.
Penny brought it back to relevance.
You don't avoid hiring someone to resurrect a program because it might be hard to get rid of them if they are doing the job.
Ain't nobody firing Penny for continuing to bring the program back.

Such a dead program that Bruce Pearl wanted the job…

The idea that Penny is keeping Memphis basketball relevant is a farce. We are in one of our longest Sweet 16 droughts in school history.

We have the 18th highest men’s basketball budget. Tubby was a dud, but Memphis was relevant well before Penny and will continue to be relevant
after he’s gone

How many more years do we give him until he makes it past the first weekend? What are your expectations for Penny?

Bruce didn't want it when we hired Tubby. Bruce wanted it 2 years before we ran off Pastner. By the time Pastner was gone, Bruce was 2 years into Auburn. And Bruce sure didn't want it when Tubby was fired.

Penny brought the program back to relevance. It's really not debatable by any metric - attendance, national coverage, national recruiting, tv ratings, rankings, conference standing, post season play.

The S16 drought is what I'm talking about with Pastner and Tubby. We're closer now than we've been since Cal. 1 close call either of the past 2 years would have gotten us over the hump. The drought is not on Penny.

I'm not saying Penny made us relevant for the first time ever. Of course we were relevant before Penny. Bartow-Kirk-Finch-Cal all got us there. But Pastner and Tubby were setbacks. I'm really talking more about the state he inherited.

My expectations are continual improvement and the post-season will take care of itself. We have seen progress every year Penny has been here. He inherited a program similar to what Cal did, and his progress to date is almost indentical to Cal's. No one is even remotely considering firing Penny, so no need to entertain that question.

(01-24-2024 05:54 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Also, the idea that Penny needs us more than we need him is suspect

He collects a nice paycheck while keeping his name in the media and helping to revive what was becoming an irrelevant shoe line. Meanwhile, we recruit good players and create high expectations that end up resulting in drama and disappointing endings.

Historically, results in Penny’s tenure are below average for our program in the past 50 years. It’s working out OK for now, but with each season, the shine is wearing off. I’d say he has 3 more seasons to collect a Sweet 16.

Again, we have the 18th highest men’s basketball budget in the country

Irrelevant shoe line? Every list ever published has Penny's line in the top 3 all-time of Nike. And those are lists made before he became the Memphis coach.

Results are below average? You're going to have to show us what metrics you are using. Even Nascar's metrics show that Penny wins at a clip above our historic average.

(01-24-2024 06:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:54 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Also, the idea that Penny needs us more than we need him is suspect

He collects a nice paycheck while keeping his name in the media and helping to revive what was becoming an irrelevant shoe line. Meanwhile, we recruit good players and create high expectations that end up resulting in drama and disappointing endings.

Historically, results in Penny’s tenure are below average for our program in the past 50 years. It’s working out OK for now, but with each season, the shine is wearing off. I’d say he has 3 more seasons to collect a Sweet 16.

Again, we have the 18th highest men’s basketball budget in the country

Irrelevant shoe line? Every list ever published has Penny's line in the top 3 all-time of Nike. And those are lists made before he became the Memphis coach.

Results are below average? You're going to have to show us what metrics you are using. Even Nascar's metrics show that Penny wins at a clip above our historic average.

I don't have Nike sales numbers (I'm not sure those are even available), but with so many current stars having their own shoe lines (which wasn't the case in the late 90s and early 2000s), I'd imagine that sales are much more diffuse across lines. The gig at Memphis is sweet because I don't think he would've been a household name over the past 6 years.

I'm not as concerned about winning percentage as I am about tournament performance. We're in our longest Sweet 16 drought since 1970 (split between Pastner, Tubby, and Penny's tenure). Penny's fraction of responsibility trends longer with each season he's here.

I don't know that we're trending upwards-- we seem to run into the same problems year after year. I just want to be able to make it past the first weekend of the tournament in the next 3 years (preferably without drama in the process).

(01-24-2024 06:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:47 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 01:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The problem with hiring Penny is you can’t fire Penny… always has been.
If he leaves, it will have to be his decision.

Pastner dug the grave, and Tubby almost had the program covered up with dirt.
Penny brought it back to relevance.
You don't avoid hiring someone to resurrect a program because it might be hard to get rid of them if they are doing the job.
Ain't nobody firing Penny for continuing to bring the program back.

Such a dead program that Bruce Pearl wanted the job…

The idea that Penny is keeping Memphis basketball relevant is a farce. We are in one of our longest Sweet 16 droughts in school history.

We have the 18th highest men’s basketball budget. Tubby was a dud, but Memphis was relevant well before Penny and will continue to be relevant
after he’s gone

How many more years do we give him until he makes it past the first weekend? What are your expectations for Penny?

Bruce didn't want it when we hired Tubby. Bruce wanted it 2 years before we ran off Pastner. By the time Pastner was gone, Bruce was 2 years into Auburn. And Bruce sure didn't want it when Tubby was fired.

Penny brought the program back to relevance. It's really not debatable by any metric - attendance, national coverage, national recruiting, tv ratings, rankings, conference standing, post season play.

The S16 drought is what I'm talking about with Pastner and Tubby. We're closer now than we've been since Cal. 1 close call either of the past 2 years would have gotten us over the hump. The drought is not on Penny.

I'm not saying Penny made us relevant for the first time ever. Of course we were relevant before Penny. Bartow-Kirk-Finch-Cal all got us there. But Pastner and Tubby were setbacks. I'm really talking more about the state he inherited.

My expectations are continual improvement and the post-season will take care of itself. We have seen progress every year Penny has been here. He inherited a program similar to what Cal did, and his progress to date is almost indentical to Cal's. No one is even remotely considering firing Penny, so no need to entertain that question.

Penny's excitement is starting to wear off, though. He's going to have to deliver sooner or later, or we'll continue to lose season ticket holders and donations. I think where I disagree with you is the continual improvement-- I see the same broken offense, lack of continuity with assistant coaches, and internecine feuds over the past 5 years. If anything, I'm more worried that this team is worse than last year's because our defense has regressed so much.

(01-25-2024 05:28 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 06:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:47 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 01:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The problem with hiring Penny is you can’t fire Penny… always has been.
If he leaves, it will have to be his decision.

Pastner dug the grave, and Tubby almost had the program covered up with dirt.
Penny brought it back to relevance.
You don't avoid hiring someone to resurrect a program because it might be hard to get rid of them if they are doing the job.
Ain't nobody firing Penny for continuing to bring the program back.

Such a dead program that Bruce Pearl wanted the job…

The idea that Penny is keeping Memphis basketball relevant is a farce. We are in one of our longest Sweet 16 droughts in school history.

We have the 18th highest men’s basketball budget. Tubby was a dud, but Memphis was relevant well before Penny and will continue to be relevant
after he’s gone

How many more years do we give him until he makes it past the first weekend? What are your expectations for Penny?

Bruce didn't want it when we hired Tubby. Bruce wanted it 2 years before we ran off Pastner. By the time Pastner was gone, Bruce was 2 years into Auburn. And Bruce sure didn't want it when Tubby was fired.

Penny brought the program back to relevance. It's really not debatable by any metric - attendance, national coverage, national recruiting, tv ratings, rankings, conference standing, post season play.

The S16 drought is what I'm talking about with Pastner and Tubby. We're closer now than we've been since Cal. 1 close call either of the past 2 years would have gotten us over the hump. The drought is not on Penny.

I'm not saying Penny made us relevant for the first time ever. Of course we were relevant before Penny. Bartow-Kirk-Finch-Cal all got us there. But Pastner and Tubby were setbacks. I'm really talking more about the state he inherited.

My expectations are continual improvement and the post-season will take care of itself. We have seen progress every year Penny has been here. He inherited a program similar to what Cal did, and his progress to date is almost indentical to Cal's. No one is even remotely considering firing Penny, so no need to entertain that question.

Penny's excitement is starting to wear off, though. He's going to have to deliver sooner or later, or we'll continue to lose season ticket holders and donations. I think where I disagree with you is the continual improvement-- I see the same broken offense, lack of continuity with assistant coaches, and internecine feuds over the past 5 years. If anything, I'm more worried that this team is worse than last year's because our defense has regressed so much.

KD would drop 30 on this years team and mostly with layups..

(01-25-2024 05:23 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 06:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:54 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Also, the idea that Penny needs us more than we need him is suspect

He collects a nice paycheck while keeping his name in the media and helping to revive what was becoming an irrelevant shoe line. Meanwhile, we recruit good players and create high expectations that end up resulting in drama and disappointing endings.

Historically, results in Penny’s tenure are below average for our program in the past 50 years. It’s working out OK for now, but with each season, the shine is wearing off. I’d say he has 3 more seasons to collect a Sweet 16.

Again, we have the 18th highest men’s basketball budget in the country

Irrelevant shoe line? Every list ever published has Penny's line in the top 3 all-time of Nike. And those are lists made before he became the Memphis coach.

Results are below average? You're going to have to show us what metrics you are using. Even Nascar's metrics show that Penny wins at a clip above our historic average.

I don't have Nike sales numbers (I'm not sure those are even available), but with so many current stars having their own shoe lines (which wasn't the case in the late 90s and early 2000s), I'd imagine that sales are much more diffuse across lines. The gig at Memphis is sweet because I don't think he would've been a household name over the past 6 years.

I'm not as concerned about winning percentage as I am about tournament performance. We're in our longest Sweet 16 drought since 1970 (split between Pastner, Tubby, and Penny's tenure). Penny's fraction of responsibility trends longer with each season he's here.

I don't know that we're trending upwards-- we seem to run into the same problems year after year. I just want to be able to make it past the first weekend of the tournament in the next 3 years (preferably without drama in the process).

So nothing to back up your statements. Fine - if framed as an opinion. But when you make statements about irrelevancy and results below historic average, then you need to have some facts behind you.

(01-25-2024 05:28 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 06:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:47 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 01:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The problem with hiring Penny is you can’t fire Penny… always has been.
If he leaves, it will have to be his decision.

Pastner dug the grave, and Tubby almost had the program covered up with dirt.
Penny brought it back to relevance.
You don't avoid hiring someone to resurrect a program because it might be hard to get rid of them if they are doing the job.
Ain't nobody firing Penny for continuing to bring the program back.

Such a dead program that Bruce Pearl wanted the job…

The idea that Penny is keeping Memphis basketball relevant is a farce. We are in one of our longest Sweet 16 droughts in school history.

We have the 18th highest men’s basketball budget. Tubby was a dud, but Memphis was relevant well before Penny and will continue to be relevant
after he’s gone

How many more years do we give him until he makes it past the first weekend? What are your expectations for Penny?

Bruce didn't want it when we hired Tubby. Bruce wanted it 2 years before we ran off Pastner. By the time Pastner was gone, Bruce was 2 years into Auburn. And Bruce sure didn't want it when Tubby was fired.

Penny brought the program back to relevance. It's really not debatable by any metric - attendance, national coverage, national recruiting, tv ratings, rankings, conference standing, post season play.

The S16 drought is what I'm talking about with Pastner and Tubby. We're closer now than we've been since Cal. 1 close call either of the past 2 years would have gotten us over the hump. The drought is not on Penny.

I'm not saying Penny made us relevant for the first time ever. Of course we were relevant before Penny. Bartow-Kirk-Finch-Cal all got us there. But Pastner and Tubby were setbacks. I'm really talking more about the state he inherited.

My expectations are continual improvement and the post-season will take care of itself. We have seen progress every year Penny has been here. He inherited a program similar to what Cal did, and his progress to date is almost indentical to Cal's. No one is even remotely considering firing Penny, so no need to entertain that question.

Penny's excitement is starting to wear off, though. He's going to have to deliver sooner or later, or we'll continue to lose season ticket holders and donations. I think where I disagree with you is the continual improvement-- I see the same broken offense, lack of continuity with assistant coaches, and internecine feuds over the past 5 years. If anything, I'm more worried that this team is worse than last year's because our defense has regressed so much.

You're looking at it through broken, predispositioned glasses. As I said, every metric shows the continual improvement. This year's team is a work in progress. As much as it seems like you'd like to evaluate them at their worst moment of the year, you can't fairly evaluate them until the season is over.

(01-25-2024 05:46 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(01-25-2024 05:28 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Penny's excitement is starting to wear off, though. He's going to have to deliver sooner or later, or we'll continue to lose season ticket holders and donations. I think where I disagree with you is the continual improvement-- I see the same broken offense, lack of continuity with assistant coaches, and internecine feuds over the past 5 years. If anything, I'm more worried that this team is worse than last year's because our defense has regressed so much.

KD would drop 30 on this years team and mostly with layups..

Funny you say that now. I don't recall you singing his praises last year. I recall the same old complaints - out of control, no offense, blah, blah.

(01-24-2024 05:26 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 04:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

But at least Silverfield wins in the post-season.

lol
Bowl games? You talkin bout bowl games?
Penny's teams have played in the postseason national championship playoffs the past 2 years, and won a game in that. How many CFP games has Ryan been in?
Bowl games are like the NIT - which, BTW, Penny's Tigers won the last time they played. 4 wins in that year alone.

The CFP is much more difficult to make than the NCAA.

Making the NCAA should almost be a given say 7 years out of 10.

To me, making a bowl game is the same as making the NCAA.

Winning a bowl game would be equivalent to winning your 1st round game, maybe the 2nd round depending on the level of team we face in the bowl.

A bowl win against Akron would be on par with a 1st round tourney win.

A bowl win against Iowa St would be similar to a 2nd round tourney win.

Getting to the Final Four would be equivalent to making the CFP. Using this, neither coach has been involved in a possible national championship.

Unless the Tigers make a deep run this year (and I hope we do), Silverfield might make the CFP before Hardaway sees Elite 8. Again, let's hope Penny gets it done this year, then everything will be right with the world again.

(01-26-2024 01:40 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:26 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 04:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

But at least Silverfield wins in the post-season.

lol
Bowl games? You talkin bout bowl games?
Penny's teams have played in the postseason national championship playoffs the past 2 years, and won a game in that. How many CFP games has Ryan been in?
Bowl games are like the NIT - which, BTW, Penny's Tigers won the last time they played. 4 wins in that year alone.

The CFP is much more difficult to make than the NCAA.

Making the NCAA should almost be a given say 7 years out of 10.

To me, making a bowl game is the same as making the NCAA.

Winning a bowl game would be equivalent to winning your 1st round game, maybe the 2nd round depending on the level of team we face in the bowl.

A bowl win against Akron would be on par with a 1st round tourney win.

A bowl win against Iowa St would be similar to a 2nd round tourney win.

Getting to the Final Four would be equivalent to making the CFP. Using this, neither coach has been involved in a possible national championship.

Unless the Tigers make a deep run this year (and I hope we do), Silverfield might make the CFP before Hardaway sees Elite 8. Again, let's hope Penny gets it done this year, then everything will be right with the world again.

I’d say sweet 16 is equal to making the CFP

(01-24-2024 05:26 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 04:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

But at least Silverfield wins in the post-season.

lol
Bowl games? You talkin bout bowl games?
Penny's teams have played in the postseason national championship playoffs the past 2 years, and won a game in that. How many CFP games has Ryan been in?
Bowl games are like the NIT - which, BTW, Penny's Tigers won the last time they played. 4 wins in that year alone.

You have to have the lowest IQ of any person for which I have read a comment.

Penny has won one game in NCAA tournament which has 68 team in five years
Penny has unbelievable recruiting classes

He has the the single most under performing coach who has a Top 20 Basketball Budget and NIL budget to match for basketball and each season is a disaster until we "make a run at the end" to get a below average seed.

He is the definition of under performer.

Every season its an excuse, not on him but everyone else.

Penny has brought both attention & recruits but has only managed to turn them into 1 NCAA tournament win in 5 years.

Memphis is a program measured by postseason results.

He has the talent on this team to make it to the 2nd weekend of the tournament & its on him to make it happen.

(01-24-2024 05:26 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 04:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

But at least Silverfield wins in the post-season.

lol
Bowl games? You talkin bout bowl games?
Penny's teams have played in the postseason national championship playoffs the past 2 years, and won a game in that. How many CFP games has Ryan been in?
Bowl games are like the NIT - which, BTW, Penny's Tigers won the last time they played. 4 wins in that year alone.

Since CFP has been just 4 teams up till now, then it is equivalent to the final four in basketball.

We haven't made final 4 in over 15 years.

Bowl games are equivalent to making the field of 68.

(01-27-2024 12:31 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:26 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 04:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

But at least Silverfield wins in the post-season.

lol
Bowl games? You talkin bout bowl games?
Penny's teams have played in the postseason national championship playoffs the past 2 years, and won a game in that. How many CFP games has Ryan been in?
Bowl games are like the NIT - which, BTW, Penny's Tigers won the last time they played. 4 wins in that year alone.

Since CFP has been just 4 teams up till now, then it is equivalent to the final four in basketball.

We haven't made final 4 in over 15 years.

Bowl games are equivalent to making the field of 68.

Not even close. I’d say making an NIT on some of them since you can go 6-6 and make one. Go 15-15 in hoops and you are not going anywhere

There are only 130 FbS college football programs & 43 bowl games… so 86 or 2/3rds of the 130 teams qualify for a bowl game.

There are 353 division 1 schools playing D1 college basketball competing for 64 spots…. Less than 20% of college basketball teams make the NCAA tournament.

Making a bowl game is far easier than qualifying for the NCAA tournament. The Bowl games have become participation trophies.