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So NIU is alone in last place in the MAC! They cannot play or coach defense so it’s really not surprising. I will say it again they struggled at that crappy tournament in Georgia and the collapse at Monmouth told you who they were. A good MAC team easily wins in Georgia and at Monmouth. Huskies have 1 decent win on the season and that was against APP ST. They have a week off so maybe they’ll comeback and not be such a soft team.
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(01-16-2024 10:12 PM)ChicagoHuskie Wrote:  
(01-16-2024 10:05 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  This team is now 1-5 at home vs. D1 opponents. We just lost at home to a team with a 1-4 conference record and also dealing with injuries.

This team is very bad.
It does not really matter but Kent State was 1-3 in the MAC coming into the game tonight, now 2-3.

Yeah...the tv graphic was wrong all game. Said KSU was 1-4 (they were 1-3) and said NIU was 0-3 (they were 0-4).
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Credit Kent for making key shots every time we got some momentum.

Bummer, would have been a good game to grab a W with some students in the house.
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(01-17-2024 07:30 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Credit Kent for making key shots every time we got some momentum.

Bummer, would have been a good game to grab a W with some students in the house.

We sure didn't help ourselves last night but man...every time we tied it or took a small lead, they'd hit 2 big shots and get out in front again.

Btw, listened to Burno's press conference last night. It's not really worth a listen. Same sh!t different day. Plus, it's like 3 1/2 minutes long and he checks his phone like twice during it.

Anyway, he did mention that Konan Niederhauser should be back "this week". But we don't play this weekend so I'm assuming he meant practicing full and ready for the Toledo game on Tuesday.

Also of note, Russell was dressed and appeared ready to play, was sitting right next to the coaches and never touched the floor last night.

How bad or incompetent do you have to be to not get any playing time on a team that hasn't won since Thanksgiving?
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(01-16-2024 10:30 PM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  So NIU is alone in last place in the MAC! They cannot play or coach defense so it’s really not surprising. I will say it again they struggled at that crappy tournament in Georgia and the collapse at Monmouth told you who they were. A good MAC team easily wins in Georgia and at Monmouth. Huskies have 1 decent win on the season and that was against APP ST. They have a week off so maybe they’ll comeback and not be such a soft team.

I give you great credit, CollegeMan, for providing the service that demonstrated to me what Burno is all about. That Burno stood like a deer in headlights for the 10-15 seconds while you kindly but loudly advised him from 5 rows up about basketball wisdom for which he immediately took your advice, told me much about Burno.
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(01-17-2024 08:58 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  
(01-16-2024 10:30 PM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  So NIU is alone in last place in the MAC! They cannot play or coach defense so it’s really not surprising. I will say it again they struggled at that crappy tournament in Georgia and the collapse at Monmouth told you who they were. A good MAC team easily wins in Georgia and at Monmouth. Huskies have 1 decent win on the season and that was against APP ST. They have a week off so maybe they’ll comeback and not be such a soft team.

I give you great credit, CollegeMan, for providing the service that demonstrated to me what Burno is all about. That Burno stood like a deer in headlights for the 10-15 seconds while you kindly but loudly advised him from 5 rows up about basketball wisdom for which he immediately took your advice, told me much about Burno.

1) You think Burno took his advice? No, I'm sorry. He didn't. And..

2) You also think Burno should have responded or argued with a lunatic screaming from the 5th row? Again...no. Burno looked at him like he was deranged. And he wasn't wrong.
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(01-17-2024 08:56 AM)Big Red Wrote:  How bad or incompetent do you have to be to not get any playing time on a team that hasn't won since Thanksgiving?

Well, looking at his stats from his most recent games he is a net negative when he is playing. Do you ever wonder what goes on in practise! Surrounded by assistant coaches does anyone work individually with players to improve their game? Maybe go over some film from the years Russell was good! How does a player regress? Why didn't he transfer and we keep Thornton, Crump, Cochran? Yeah, that ain't got nothing to do with coaching.
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I am not a basketball expert at all, but it seems to be what the team is missing badly is a true point guard who is creative and distributes the ball to teammates in a spot they want to be and in rhythm. Coit is tremendous, but not one that makes everyone on the floor better. Love to see him at a shooting guard. We are even awkward when we get breakouts with a low conversion rate. We need someone who can throw some sweet dishes.
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(01-17-2024 09:42 AM)ChicagoHuskie Wrote:  I am not a basketball expert at all, but it seems to be what the team is missing badly is a true point guard who is creative and distributes the ball to teammates in a spot they want to be and in rhythm. Coit is tremendous, but not one that makes everyone on the floor better. Love to see him at a shooting guard. We are even awkward when we get breakouts with a low conversion rate. We need someone who can throw some sweet dishes.

I think this is key - didn't expect the transfer of Thornton to be as significant as it was. I think he was a huge factor in why the team last year was able to win 9 conference games. Russell was probably expected to take on more of those minutes but he got the yips as soon as the season started. Seems like they wanted to redshirt Muhammed but not sure that's the case anymore.
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(01-17-2024 09:01 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(01-17-2024 08:58 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  
(01-16-2024 10:30 PM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  So NIU is alone in last place in the MAC! They cannot play or coach defense so it’s really not surprising. I will say it again they struggled at that crappy tournament in Georgia and the collapse at Monmouth told you who they were. A good MAC team easily wins in Georgia and at Monmouth. Huskies have 1 decent win on the season and that was against APP ST. They have a week off so maybe they’ll comeback and not be such a soft team.

I give you great credit, CollegeMan, for providing the service that demonstrated to me what Burno is all about. That Burno stood like a deer in headlights for the 10-15 seconds while you kindly but loudly advised him from 5 rows up about basketball wisdom for which he immediately took your advice, told me much about Burno.

1) You think Burno took his advice? No, I'm sorry. He didn't. And..

2) You also think Burno should have responded or argued with a lunatic screaming from the 5th row? Again...no. Burno looked at him like he was deranged. And he wasn't wrong.

"1) You think Burno took his advice? No, I'm sorry. He didn't. And.."
Proof is in the pudding. Burno immediately did what "lunatic screaming" suggested. Burno did not do it previously with ample time prior - hence "lunatic screaming".
"2) You also think Burno should have responded or argued with a lunatic screaming"
No, I NEVER said, suggested, implied, hinted any such response - what is with you NIU people? An intelligent coach does NOT engage with hecklers AT ALL. Burno DID engage the heckler by stopping and staring at him for 10-15 seconds. AND Burno DID NOT look at him like he was deranged. I was 6 feet away - Burno's face was blank - like a deer caught in headlights. I appreciate CollegeMan's for doing what you didn't have the courage to do - telling Burno what he needs to hear.
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(01-17-2024 11:13 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  
(01-17-2024 09:01 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(01-17-2024 08:58 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  
(01-16-2024 10:30 PM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  So NIU is alone in last place in the MAC! They cannot play or coach defense so it’s really not surprising. I will say it again they struggled at that crappy tournament in Georgia and the collapse at Monmouth told you who they were. A good MAC team easily wins in Georgia and at Monmouth. Huskies have 1 decent win on the season and that was against APP ST. They have a week off so maybe they’ll comeback and not be such a soft team.

I give you great credit, CollegeMan, for providing the service that demonstrated to me what Burno is all about. That Burno stood like a deer in headlights for the 10-15 seconds while you kindly but loudly advised him from 5 rows up about basketball wisdom for which he immediately took your advice, told me much about Burno.

1) You think Burno took his advice? No, I'm sorry. He didn't. And..

2) You also think Burno should have responded or argued with a lunatic screaming from the 5th row? Again...no. Burno looked at him like he was deranged. And he wasn't wrong.

"1) You think Burno took his advice? No, I'm sorry. He didn't. And.."
Proof is in the pudding. Burno immediately did what "lunatic screaming" suggested. Burno did not do it previously with ample time prior - hence "lunatic screaming".
"2) You also think Burno should have responded or argued with a lunatic screaming"
No, I NEVER said, suggested, implied, hinted any such response - what is with you NIU people? An intelligent coach does NOT engage with hecklers AT ALL. Burno DID engage the heckler by stopping and staring at him for 10-15 seconds. AND Burno DID NOT look at him like he was deranged. I was 6 feet away - Burno's face was blank - like a deer caught in headlights. I appreciate CollegeMan's for doing what you didn't have the courage to do - telling Burno what he needs to hear.
What are you all talking about?
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(01-17-2024 10:45 AM)McG Wrote:  
(01-17-2024 09:42 AM)ChicagoHuskie Wrote:  I am not a basketball expert at all, but it seems to be what the team is missing badly is a true point guard who is creative and distributes the ball to teammates in a spot they want to be and in rhythm. Coit is tremendous, but not one that makes everyone on the floor better. Love to see him at a shooting guard. We are even awkward when we get breakouts with a low conversion rate. We need someone who can throw some sweet dishes.

I think this is key - didn't expect the transfer of Thornton to be as significant as it was. I think he was a huge factor in why the team last year was able to win 9 conference games. Russell was probably expected to take on more of those minutes but he got the yips as soon as the season started. Seems like they wanted to redshirt Muhammed but not sure that's the case anymore.

I think this is pretty spot on. The main problem is, if Williams is healthy, they have to fit both he and Coit into the lineup with Nutter, Amos and YKN. There isn't going to be a true PG, but I agree that Russell was supposed to fill that role but he's just completely fallen off the radar.

To be fair, I'd see Thornton do similar things too but he was much better at being a PG than Russell but that doesn't mean Russell couldn't/shouldn't be able to fill that role.

And I think you're right. This is why we see Muhammad playing a lot more now. Russell has relegated himself to the bench so have to develop Muhammad, especially if Williams is going to miss the rest of this year (or most of the rest of the year). Williams, at this point, is unreliable due to health issues. I don't think what is wrong with him is unsurmountable but he's missed a lot of time. When he did get back in there, he basically looked like his old self, so that is encouraging. And I'm not certain how he actually got hurt his time but it seemed like kind of a freak thing.

But if they can get Muhammad up to speed, and I've liked what I've seen so far, then they have a guy who can run the point and free up Coit to do other things. I guess, at this point, the most ideal starting lineup would be Muhammad, Coit, Nutter, Amos and YKN, right? If Muhammad can fully get up to speed.

Gebrewhit actually looked good and motivated coming off the bench last night. Maybe he's just a 6th man who needs a chip on his shoulder because he was not good or helpful as a starter.

Also of note, Butler played down the stretch last night as the big with Ibarguen sitting on the bench. I found that interesting. And I don't completely have an issue with it but, and I actually kind of admire him for it, Butler will shoot if left open. He's not afraid to be aggressive. But...he's not our 5th best option in that scenario, let alone our best option.

Getting YKN back will be big. I'm just really surprised Butler was in and Ibarguen was on the bench. Neither are difference makers but, imo, I'd rather have Ibarguen in the game if YKN isn't available.

One other question...why does Lovings-Watts start? He barely plays and when he does, he barely shoots and is eager to pass as soon as he gets the ball. I suppose, once Gebrewhit got hot he was going to get the minutes over WLW, but 5 minutes?

If he's not ready (and I'm not sure he is), then don't start him. But I can't figure out who should be starting right now anyway. Obviously, Coit, Nutter and Amos and then YKN if healthy, if not, Ibarguen but I'm not even sure Burno prefers him over Butler anymore. As for that 2 guard spot...I'm kind of over Gebrewhit starting and feel he's better off the bench. McPherson is also a bench guy. Maybe Muhammad which would slide Coit to the 2 guard and keep Nutter as the 3. It's probably a better fit for all involved anyway.

Obviously, the starting lineup isn't the end all be all and minutes matter much more than who's on the court to start the game, but I think you all know what I'm getting at here.
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(01-17-2024 11:17 AM)chihuskie Wrote:  
(01-17-2024 11:13 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  
(01-17-2024 09:01 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(01-17-2024 08:58 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  
(01-16-2024 10:30 PM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  So NIU is alone in last place in the MAC! They cannot play or coach defense so it’s really not surprising. I will say it again they struggled at that crappy tournament in Georgia and the collapse at Monmouth told you who they were. A good MAC team easily wins in Georgia and at Monmouth. Huskies have 1 decent win on the season and that was against APP ST. They have a week off so maybe they’ll comeback and not be such a soft team.

I give you great credit, CollegeMan, for providing the service that demonstrated to me what Burno is all about. That Burno stood like a deer in headlights for the 10-15 seconds while you kindly but loudly advised him from 5 rows up about basketball wisdom for which he immediately took your advice, told me much about Burno.

1) You think Burno took his advice? No, I'm sorry. He didn't. And..

2) You also think Burno should have responded or argued with a lunatic screaming from the 5th row? Again...no. Burno looked at him like he was deranged. And he wasn't wrong.

"1) You think Burno took his advice? No, I'm sorry. He didn't. And.."
Proof is in the pudding. Burno immediately did what "lunatic screaming" suggested. Burno did not do it previously with ample time prior - hence "lunatic screaming".
"2) You also think Burno should have responded or argued with a lunatic screaming"
No, I NEVER said, suggested, implied, hinted any such response - what is with you NIU people? An intelligent coach does NOT engage with hecklers AT ALL. Burno DID engage the heckler by stopping and staring at him for 10-15 seconds. AND Burno DID NOT look at him like he was deranged. I was 6 feet away - Burno's face was blank - like a deer caught in headlights. I appreciate CollegeMan's for doing what you didn't have the courage to do - telling Burno what he needs to hear.
What are you all talking about?

He's talking about the end of the Calumet game where there were about 30 people in the arena and CollegeMan screamed at Burno about having starters in the game as if Burno was terrified of him and then did exactly what CollegeMan demanded he do.

It's fantasy.
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Burno was looking at me because we have no one at the game and he could hear me. He didn’t do anything because I was yelling to do it. Burno I’m sure is surprised that currently his team is in last place all alone. They can’t defend it’s that simple! Coit and Amos can score but they get torched every time trying to defend their guy. Konan is the only guy that can defend but he will get to many fouls quickly blocking shots. I’ve been called much worse than lunatic and deranged so I’ll be fine. I’m sure Burno could careless and I’m sure he will turn things around after all he is the coach and not a stupid loud mouthed fan!
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(01-17-2024 06:27 PM)CollegeMan33 Wrote:  Burno was looking at me because we have no one at the game and he could hear me. He didn’t do anything because I was yelling to do it. Burno I’m sure is surprised that currently his team is in last place all alone. They can’t defend it’s that simple! Coit and Amos can score but they get torched every time trying to defend their guy. Konan is the only guy that can defend but he will get to many fouls quickly blocking shots. I’ve been called much worse than lunatic and deranged so I’ll be fine. I’m sure Burno could careless and I’m sure he will turn things around after all he is the coach and not a stupid loud mouthed fan!

Yeah, I mean, I don't dislike you, I just often disagree with a fair amount of things you say but also I think you're spot on about a fair amount of things you say.

And yes, Burno could hear you and looked at you because the Convo, especially during that game at that time in the game, was a morgue and any noise is going to be heard.

I also agree that he is flummoxed about the standings and can't figure it out. And he's not alone. Defensive warts aside, this team should be winning a fair amount of games. Not having a third reliable scorer has hurt them down this stretch. Whether its Niederhäuser or Nutter or Williams...they need one of those three to be a reliable presence. And they need Amos to kick ass every single game and sometimes he does and sometimes he doesn't.

Right now, it's Coit and then Amos and then someone different every game. There's not flow because there's no consistency and, on top of that, they make a lot of errors (typically all bunched together) which sets them off and gets them frustrated and desperate and too many guys trying to be the hero. Except Lovings-Watts. He seems terrified of the ball right now and that is concerning.

If YKN is back on Tuesday, he'll have his hands full so hopefully he can defend and not get into foul trouble but the experienced bigs in the league will try to take advantage of him. Nutter looked like he was getting back into game shape last night. Even though he logged 37 minutes, he didn't seem his usual self until some time in the 2nd half.

There's still 13 conference games left on the schedule so the season is far from lost and there's enough sh!tty teams in the bottom half of the conference that can be overcome to get into the MACT. But they need to start to right the ship pronto.

I'm not certain they can beat Toledo...but the way things go in college athletics...it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

But more realistically, they have a string of all winnable games after Toledo in Ball State, CMU, EMU, Miami, Buffalo, KSU, Ball State, Ohio. Ideally they run that slate but that's hard to do. So, I'd say they have to, at a minimum, go 6-2 over that stretch.

Factor in a loss to Toledo on Tuesday, if they go 6-2 there, the'll be 6-8 with 4 games to play...2 of which are really winnable. Does 8-10 get into the MACT? I think so.
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