Sean Frazier is an idea guy. A former Alabama walk-on, the Northern Illinois athletic director is working overtime trying to find a place for marginalized schools like his to matter.

"There has to be somewhere for those teams to pursue their dreams," Frazier said.

While the College Football Playoff will expand to 12 teams beginning next season -- theoretically providing more access to Group of Five programs via automatic qualifiers for the five highest-ranked conference champions -- it's not enough access for some.

It has dawned on more folks than Frazier this week that the Big Ten is basically guaranteed the ability to celebrate a 2023 national champion. As the Pac-12 withers and dies, Washington is less than six months away from joining the conference. Michigan, a charter member of the 127-year-old league, currently rules the Big Ten.
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“You're always going to have significant bowl games left out of the CFP," Frazier said. "What I'm proposing is, let's look at the P5 and G5 institutions and their bowls and their tie ins. Let's put them in [their own playoff]."
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-solution/

Frazier first proposed something like this back in 2016 ...

https://www.mystateline.com/sports/nius-...l-playoff/

To view comments from back then (2017, go to the thread "Group of Five Playoff Idea not going away" on the main csnbbs College Sports and Conference Realignment board. Or just use this link ...

https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-808978.html

Haven't opined on this board in a while, but what the hey ...

I'm not sure what the "solution" is for any FBS program or conference outside the consolidating "P" conferences, but I have a feeling the result of a CFB-NIT will go the way the men's NIT bball tournament is going.

If you like, read the linked recap of the NIT changes and imagine that happening to a CFB-NIT ... in order to make the bball NIT more profitable, guess who gets the lion's share per the changes?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...-12-spots/

On the other hand, self-proclaimed ESPN expert on all things sports, your and my favorite (please read sarcastically) Kirk Herbstreit says why have bowls when we have the 12-team CFP?

https://sports.yahoo.com/espn-kirk-herbs...26715.html

I believe this recaps the earlier "Kirk Herbsteet being an Ahole again" thread (but with name spelling correct).

Enjoy.

(01-05-2024 05:20 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Sean Frazier is an idea guy. A former Alabama walk-on, the Northern Illinois athletic director is working overtime trying to find a place for marginalized schools like his to matter.

"There has to be somewhere for those teams to pursue their dreams," Frazier said.

While the College Football Playoff will expand to 12 teams beginning next season -- theoretically providing more access to Group of Five programs via automatic qualifiers for the five highest-ranked conference champions -- it's not enough access for some.

It has dawned on more folks than Frazier this week that the Big Ten is basically guaranteed the ability to celebrate a 2023 national champion. As the Pac-12 withers and dies, Washington is less than six months away from joining the conference. Michigan, a charter member of the 127-year-old league, currently rules the Big Ten.
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“You're always going to have significant bowl games left out of the CFP," Frazier said. "What I'm proposing is, let's look at the P5 and G5 institutions and their bowls and their tie ins. Let's put them in [their own playoff]."
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-solution/

"Sean Frazier is an idea guy."
Now that is funny. He is about as clueless as Claudine Gay.

Really hitting the bottom of the barrel when you gotta get Frazier's take. If I wanted to get a quote about Frazier I'd go to one of the 23 pages of FIRE SEAN T. FRAZIER thread right here. https://csnbbs.com/thread-929908.html

(01-06-2024 09:04 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 05:20 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Sean Frazier is an idea guy. A former Alabama walk-on, the Northern Illinois athletic director is working overtime trying to find a place for marginalized schools like his to matter.

"There has to be somewhere for those teams to pursue their dreams," Frazier said.

While the College Football Playoff will expand to 12 teams beginning next season -- theoretically providing more access to Group of Five programs via automatic qualifiers for the five highest-ranked conference champions -- it's not enough access for some.

It has dawned on more folks than Frazier this week that the Big Ten is basically guaranteed the ability to celebrate a 2023 national champion. As the Pac-12 withers and dies, Washington is less than six months away from joining the conference. Michigan, a charter member of the 127-year-old league, currently rules the Big Ten.
———-
“You're always going to have significant bowl games left out of the CFP," Frazier said. "What I'm proposing is, let's look at the P5 and G5 institutions and their bowls and their tie ins. Let's put them in [their own playoff]."
———-

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-solution/

"Sean Frazier is an idea guy."
Now that is funny. He is about as clueless as Claudine Gay.

Really hitting the bottom of the barrel when you gotta get Frazier's take. If I wanted to get a quote about Frazier I'd go to one of the 23 pages of FIRE SEAN T. FRAZIER thread right here. https://csnbbs.com/thread-929908.html

Do you feel better about yourself now?

(01-06-2024 02:45 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 09:04 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 05:20 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Sean Frazier is an idea guy. A former Alabama walk-on, the Northern Illinois athletic director is working overtime trying to find a place for marginalized schools like his to matter.

"There has to be somewhere for those teams to pursue their dreams," Frazier said.

While the College Football Playoff will expand to 12 teams beginning next season -- theoretically providing more access to Group of Five programs via automatic qualifiers for the five highest-ranked conference champions -- it's not enough access for some.

It has dawned on more folks than Frazier this week that the Big Ten is basically guaranteed the ability to celebrate a 2023 national champion. As the Pac-12 withers and dies, Washington is less than six months away from joining the conference. Michigan, a charter member of the 127-year-old league, currently rules the Big Ten.
———-
“You're always going to have significant bowl games left out of the CFP," Frazier said. "What I'm proposing is, let's look at the P5 and G5 institutions and their bowls and their tie ins. Let's put them in [their own playoff]."
———-

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-solution/

"Sean Frazier is an idea guy."
Now that is funny. He is about as clueless as Claudine Gay.

Really hitting the bottom of the barrel when you gotta get Frazier's take. If I wanted to get a quote about Frazier I'd go to one of the 23 pages of FIRE SEAN T. FRAZIER thread right here. https://csnbbs.com/thread-929908.html

Do you feel better about yourself now?

At least I has something to say. You, nothing; but ya babbled anyway.

(01-07-2024 05:50 PM)El Duderino Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 02:45 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 09:04 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 05:20 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Sean Frazier is an idea guy. A former Alabama walk-on, the Northern Illinois athletic director is working overtime trying to find a place for marginalized schools like his to matter.

"There has to be somewhere for those teams to pursue their dreams," Frazier said.

While the College Football Playoff will expand to 12 teams beginning next season -- theoretically providing more access to Group of Five programs via automatic qualifiers for the five highest-ranked conference champions -- it's not enough access for some.

It has dawned on more folks than Frazier this week that the Big Ten is basically guaranteed the ability to celebrate a 2023 national champion. As the Pac-12 withers and dies, Washington is less than six months away from joining the conference. Michigan, a charter member of the 127-year-old league, currently rules the Big Ten.
———-
“You're always going to have significant bowl games left out of the CFP," Frazier said. "What I'm proposing is, let's look at the P5 and G5 institutions and their bowls and their tie ins. Let's put them in [their own playoff]."
———-

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-solution/

"Sean Frazier is an idea guy."
Now that is funny. He is about as clueless as Claudine Gay.

Really hitting the bottom of the barrel when you gotta get Frazier's take. If I wanted to get a quote about Frazier I'd go to one of the 23 pages of FIRE SEAN T. FRAZIER thread right here. https://csnbbs.com/thread-929908.html

Do you feel better about yourself now?

At least I has something to say. You, nothing; but ya babbled anyway.

You quite literally said absolutely nothing at all. But, as is typically the case with your kind, you’re nowhere near smart enough to know it.

I still don't know whether it makes sense to have a G5 playoff, I've always leaned against it as kind of a "we give up" kind of attitude. Another few years of NIL and transfer portal might make the decision for the G5.

(01-09-2024 09:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I still don't know whether it makes sense to have a G5 playoff, I've always leaned against it as kind of a "we give up" kind of attitude. Another few years of NIL and transfer portal might make the decision for the G5.

Simply go to the networks and streamers and see if a deal can be had where the G5's would make more money in that scenario.

I'd rather we keep the status quo and fight for a slightly better G5 seat at the current table though.

(01-09-2024 09:45 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 09:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I still don't know whether it makes sense to have a G5 playoff, I've always leaned against it as kind of a "we give up" kind of attitude. Another few years of NIL and transfer portal might make the decision for the G5.

Simply go to the networks and streamers and see if a deal can be had where the G5's would make more money in that scenario.

I'd rather we keep the status quo and fight for a slightly better G5 seat at the current table though.

It's not that it's even a better situation financially for me(though it has to be to work).....it's about not sitting back and just playing victim. Eventually the G5 will fall out of the FBS IMO....so you can wait for it or be proactive.

But in reality the new 12 team CFP is going to make so much money that no G5 president is going to dare turn it down. The P5 will have bought off the G5 again and we will play patsy to a fake CFP opportunity.

I'm all in favor of a G5 playoffs. It would add to the "meaningless'' bowls a meaningless playoffs but may actually add meaningful money to G5 coffers...

(01-09-2024 12:55 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  I'm all in favor of a G5 playoffs. It would add to the "meaningless'' bowls a meaningless playoffs but may actually add meaningful money to G5 coffers...

Explain the revenue stream to me. Right now NIU get CFP money allocated to it from the Playoff coffers. You step out of that and you want the Networks to spend more money after committing Billions to the P4 for games with a limited audience and no National appeal? Your G5 playoff would need a net of $65m to replace the $1m each school gets today. No media group will come close to paying that annually for the Second tier playoffs. If it was financially viable, it would have traction already.

(01-09-2024 01:14 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 12:55 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  I'm all in favor of a G5 playoffs. It would add to the "meaningless'' bowls a meaningless playoffs but may actually add meaningful money to G5 coffers...

Explain the revenue stream to me. Right now NIU get CFP money allocated to it from the Playoff coffers. You step out of that and you want the Networks to spend more money after committing Billions to the P4 for games with a limited audience and no National appeal? Your G5 playoff would need a net of $65m to replace the $1m each school gets today. No media group will come close to paying that annually for the Second tier playoffs. If it was financially viable, it would have traction already.

Obviously it would be on top of the CFP money. It would not work if the G5 cut itself off from the NCAA agreement. It would be on top of that. It'd be moronic to cut yourself off from what you already have. Also to think that things happen quickly in the playoffs is ignorant. How long did it take to set up +1, and a 4-team playoff? And how long for a 12-team playoff? Just because it will make money doesn't mean it happens quickly in the NCAA. In a few years it'll be a 16-team playoff and hopefully a G-5 playoff in addition to a CFP.

(01-09-2024 01:28 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 01:14 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 12:55 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  I'm all in favor of a G5 playoffs. It would add to the "meaningless'' bowls a meaningless playoffs but may actually add meaningful money to G5 coffers...

Explain the revenue stream to me. Right now NIU get CFP money allocated to it from the Playoff coffers. You step out of that and you want the Networks to spend more money after committing Billions to the P4 for games with a limited audience and no National appeal? Your G5 playoff would need a net of $65m to replace the $1m each school gets today. No media group will come close to paying that annually for the Second tier playoffs. If it was financially viable, it would have traction already.

Obviously it would be on top of the CFP money. It would not work if the G5 cut itself off from the NCAA agreement. It would be on top of that. It'd be moronic to cut yourself off from what you already have. Also to think that things happen quickly in the playoffs is ignorant. How long did it take to set up +1, and a 4-team playoff? And how long for a 12-team playoff? Just because it will make money doesn't mean it happens quickly in the NCAA. In a few years it'll be a 16-team playoff and hopefully a G-5 playoff in addition to a CFP.

It is NOT "obviously .... on top of the CFP money." It would be moronic for the NCAA to in essence pay the G5 twice. The number one priority for the NCAA will always be money and that's the number one priority for the P4. It is ignorant to think either of them are interested in taking less from the money that is available. If that were the case why didn't the old P5 and G5 take a smaller cut to help the FCS tourney grow in stature and interest?

(01-09-2024 01:50 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 01:28 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 01:14 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 12:55 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  I'm all in favor of a G5 playoffs. It would add to the "meaningless'' bowls a meaningless playoffs but may actually add meaningful money to G5 coffers...

Explain the revenue stream to me. Right now NIU get CFP money allocated to it from the Playoff coffers. You step out of that and you want the Networks to spend more money after committing Billions to the P4 for games with a limited audience and no National appeal? Your G5 playoff would need a net of $65m to replace the $1m each school gets today. No media group will come close to paying that annually for the Second tier playoffs. If it was financially viable, it would have traction already.

Obviously it would be on top of the CFP money. It would not work if the G5 cut itself off from the NCAA agreement. It would be on top of that. It'd be moronic to cut yourself off from what you already have. Also to think that things happen quickly in the playoffs is ignorant. How long did it take to set up +1, and a 4-team playoff? And how long for a 12-team playoff? Just because it will make money doesn't mean it happens quickly in the NCAA. In a few years it'll be a 16-team playoff and hopefully a G-5 playoff in addition to a CFP.

It is NOT "obviously .... on top of the CFP money." It would be moronic for the NCAA to in essence pay the G5 twice. The number one priority for the NCAA will always be money and that's the number one priority for the P4. It is ignorant to think either of them are interested in taking less from the money that is available. If that were the case why didn't the old P5 and G5 take a smaller cut to help the FCS tourney grow in stature and interest?

I’m not sure why the NCAA would care about a second playoff. As long as the top rated G5 still goes to the CFP I think all the current conditions could stay in place. The NCAA wouldn’t be paying the G5 twice as the G5 playoff would in all likely good be an entirely different group of sponsors.