Okay let's hear it, who are you pulling for?

The cheating twice suspended Blue Harbaugh's... (they don't even have a mascot)

.... or.....

The newest B1G member the continual Underdog Huskies, for old the Pac12's last hurrah?

Personally, no way I could cheer for the cheating Harbaugh's.... so Huskies it is.

Lived in Michigan for 6 years (hated it) but I am going to cheer for Michigan because my wife is from there.

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It's hardly a mythical national championship, now there's a legit national championship because of the playoff.

Then again, 2 undefeateds were left out of the playoff, including a P5 team. So maybe not.

(01-03-2024 01:38 AM)C2__ Wrote:  It's hardly a mythical national championship, now there's a legit national championship because of the playoff.

Then again, 2 undefeateds were left out of the playoff, including a P5 team. So maybe not.

hmm.... I just checked the NCAA site and no mention of a D1-A champion in football.

they seem to list annual champions in all other sports.

A faux playoff does not make it any less mythical, as you said, it's by invitation, not by merit.

it wont' matter much longer anyway with D1-A breaking up into the haves and have nots shortly.

(01-03-2024 01:38 AM)C2__ Wrote:  It's hardly a mythical national championship, now there's a legit national championship because of the playoff.

Then again, 2 undefeateds were left out of the playoff, including a P5 team. So maybe not.

Even the new 12-team format that starts next season doesn't make sense when you walk through it. We're supposed to assume that, every season, only the SEC, Big 10, Big XII, and ACC (who knows what the hell will happen with the PAC-2) will be guaranteed to have champions more worthy of playoff berths than all but one Group of 5 conference champion. No one can tell which Group of 5 conference will produce that one worthy team each season; no, we can't know that. However, we apparently CAN know that, from the very beginning of the season, nearly all Group of 5 conference champions are not going to be worthy of a playoff berth but all of the "power" conference champions will be worthy. Wow, nailed it! Great job, college football!

(01-03-2024 09:45 AM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 01:38 AM)C2__ Wrote:  It's hardly a mythical national championship, now there's a legit national championship because of the playoff.

Then again, 2 undefeateds were left out of the playoff, including a P5 team. So maybe not.

Even the new 12-team format that starts next season doesn't make sense when you walk through it. We're supposed to assume that, every season, only the SEC, Big 10, Big XII, and ACC (who knows what the hell will happen with the PAC-2) will be guaranteed to have champions more worthy of playoff berths than all but one Group of 5 conference champion. No one can tell which Group of 5 conference will produce that one worthy team each season; no, we can't know that. However, we apparently CAN know that, from the very beginning of the season, nearly all Group of 5 conference champions are not going to be worthy of a playoff berth but all of the "power" conference champions will be worthy. Wow, nailed it! Great job, college football!

If the Mountain West joins the Pac12 (two), then will all of the former G5 MW teams automatically be "worthy" of a playoff spot if they can win that conference?

and/or if say, a team like Memphis, for example, were to join a P5 conference, wouldn't they automatically join the "worth" contingent.

(01-03-2024 10:14 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 09:45 AM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 01:38 AM)C2__ Wrote:  It's hardly a mythical national championship, now there's a legit national championship because of the playoff.

Then again, 2 undefeateds were left out of the playoff, including a P5 team. So maybe not.

Even the new 12-team format that starts next season doesn't make sense when you walk through it. We're supposed to assume that, every season, only the SEC, Big 10, Big XII, and ACC (who knows what the hell will happen with the PAC-2) will be guaranteed to have champions more worthy of playoff berths than all but one Group of 5 conference champion. No one can tell which Group of 5 conference will produce that one worthy team each season; no, we can't know that. However, we apparently CAN know that, from the very beginning of the season, nearly all Group of 5 conference champions are not going to be worthy of a playoff berth but all of the "power" conference champions will be worthy. Wow, nailed it! Great job, college football!

If the Mountain West joins the Pac12 (two), then will all of the former G5 MW teams automatically be "worthy" of a playoff spot if they can win that conference?

and/or if say, a team like Memphis, for example, were to join a P5 conference, wouldn't they automatically join the "worth" contingent.

I like your question, so I'll talk about it as long as this doesn't devolve into another pissing match.

I don't see the powers-that-be deciding that the PAC-2 and Mountain West together would be a "power" conference. The American Athletic Conference would certainly object to that since they've sent more teams to major bowls than the other G5 leagues.

This is slightly off-topic, but I recently heard someone refer to UCF's Fiesta Bowl win over Baylor in 2014 as a "G5" win. I don't have a problem with that, but that's a strange thing to say because the main reason we were able to get in to that game was because the American still had an automatic BCS bowl bid at the time, so we didn't have to worry if, say, Fresno State was ranked higher than us or whatever. So I personally consider the 2013-2014 American Athletic Conference to be a "power" conference (UConn won the national title in men's hoops as well that season, by the way, as a member of the American), but after that, seems like nearly everyone called it "G5" even though UCF, Memphis, Houston, and Tulane all made major bowl appearances after that.

I guess my point in bringing this up is that the lines between what is a "power" school or conference and what is not have gotten very blurry. I just don't know what to make of the PAC 2 and Mountain West. It makes my head spin thinking about the mess they have to sort out. So I don't know how Memphis (from your example) would fit into that craziness, LOL. I actually like Memphis and wouldn't wish that on them.

I have not noticed any blurring of the lines between P5 and G5 CONFERENCES.

The terms are well defined, from all of my searches. If anybody knows of some other definitions then I would love to see that.

Here is a decent article that talks about the 2024 playoff format (6 + 6), and the possible change to (5 + 7).
https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/...982879007/

P5 typically refers to the value of the media contracts and amount of money that those CONFERENCES bring in annually.

Basketball is different and does not use the P5 nomenclature. Basketball instead uses Mid-major and High-major. Mid-major is a term used in American college sports at the NCAA Division I level, particularly men's basketball, to refer to athletic conferences that are not among the ACC, AAC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12, and SEC, which are alternatively referred to as "high majors".

I'm not interested in a pissing match either, but the terms do have defined meanings already.

I’m good with either outcome. Like both teams play style. UWs the underdog so I probably lean towards them. But Michigan would be fun too to see everyone get pissy about their cheating lol

College football's Astros. And just like the Astros, they weren't the only ones cheating!

(01-04-2024 10:15 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  I have not noticed any blurring of the lines between P5 and G5 CONFERENCES.

The terms are well defined, from all of my searches. If anybody knows of some other definitions then I would love to see that.

Here is a decent article that talks about the 2024 playoff format (6 + 6), and the possible change to (5 + 7).
https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/...982879007/

P5 typically refers to the value of the media contracts and amount of money that those CONFERENCES bring in annually.

Basketball is different and does not use the P5 nomenclature. Basketball instead uses Mid-major and High-major. Mid-major is a term used in American college sports at the NCAA Division I level, particularly men's basketball, to refer to athletic conferences that are not among the ACC, AAC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12, and SEC, which are alternatively referred to as "high majors".

I'm not interested in a pissing match either, but the terms do have defined meanings already.

How much money a conference makes is, I think, is often considered in the distinction between "power," "group of," "mid-major," etc. I agree with that. But there's some what I would call "blurriness" in what you stated, and here's what I mean by that. Yes, the AAC is considered a "high major" by some in men's basketball, but is pretty much universally called "Group of 5" in football (Mike Aresco seems to have stepped back from his "P6" campaigning . . . I would rather he continue). The Big East is "high major" in men's basketball; however, some schools in it such as Villanova play FCS football. South Carolina and Kentucky play men's soccer in the Sun Belt Conference. UCF was ranked #1 in Sun Belt men's soccer at one point this season. So what do we make of the Sun Belt in men's soccer? I also think Liberty's trip to a New Year's Six bowl and the Final Four trips by Florida Atlantic and San Diego State last year blur the lines a lot. Does anyone look at Gonzaga and think with any degree of certainty that they're "mid-major" even though they play in the West Coast Conference? These are some of the things I think of when I think of blurry distinctions about how we categorize conferences.

(01-06-2024 01:23 PM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 10:15 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  I have not noticed any blurring of the lines between P5 and G5 CONFERENCES.

The terms are well defined, from all of my searches. If anybody knows of some other definitions then I would love to see that.

Here is a decent article that talks about the 2024 playoff format (6 + 6), and the possible change to (5 + 7).
https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/...982879007/

P5 typically refers to the value of the media contracts and amount of money that those CONFERENCES bring in annually.

Basketball is different and does not use the P5 nomenclature. Basketball instead uses Mid-major and High-major. Mid-major is a term used in American college sports at the NCAA Division I level, particularly men's basketball, to refer to athletic conferences that are not among the ACC, AAC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12, and SEC, which are alternatively referred to as "high majors".

I'm not interested in a pissing match either, but the terms do have defined meanings already.

How much money a conference makes is, I think, is often considered in the distinction between "power," "group of," "mid-major," etc. I agree with that. But there's some what I would call "blurriness" in what you stated, and here's what I mean by that. Yes, the AAC is considered a "high major" by some in men's basketball, but is pretty much universally called "Group of 5" in football (Mike Aresco seems to have stepped back from his "P6" campaigning . . . I would rather he continue). The Big East is "high major" in men's basketball; however, some schools in it such as Villanova play FCS football. South Carolina and Kentucky play men's soccer in the Sun Belt Conference. UCF was ranked #1 in Sun Belt men's soccer at one point this season. So what do we make of the Sun Belt in men's soccer? I also think Liberty's trip to a New Year's Six bowl and the Final Four trips by Florida Atlantic and San Diego State last year blur the lines a lot. Does anyone look at Gonzaga and think with any degree of certainty that they're "mid-major" even though they play in the West Coast Conference? These are some of the things I think of when I think of blurry distinctions about how we categorize conferences.

P5 and High Major are DEFINED TERMS.....

Look, here is the 2023 B12 Wrestling Championship final standings. It makes no difference that a SEC team won the conference, or that Cal Baptist was actually in the B12 last year. It does not change the meaning of the terms for D1-A football or Div1 basketball.

Final Team Standings
1. Missouri 148.0
2. Oklahoma State 134.0
3. Iowa State 131.0
4. Oklahoma 97.5
5. North Dakota St. 89.0
6. South Dakota St. 86.5
7. Northern Iowa 73.0
8. Air Force 64.5
9. Northern Colorado 50.0
10. Wyoming 41.0
11. Utah Valley 37.5
12. West Virginia 34.5
13. California Baptist 1.0

2023 Big 12 Rowing Championship Team Results
1. Texas – 98
2. Tennessee – 76
3. Alabama – 73
4. Oklahoma – 48
5. K-State – 40
6. Kansas – 35
7. West Virginia - 21

etc., etc...

Gonna root for Washington tonight. I don't really have much stake in this game either way, but I'll pick the Huskies because it's the "old" PAC-12's last chance to win a national championship in football.

It is hard to root for Dirt Bag Harbaugh, so I guess I will root for WA.