(12-30-2023 08:20 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 07:20 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Question for the FSU faithful. We know both schools had a lot of players opt out of this game, but, are You fans ready to go into this brutal hellhole known by most as the SEC. Down 60 to the 2nd place school . Now We all know it wouldn’t be this way every year but the ACC will always be an easier route instead of facing Alabama,Georgia,Texas,LSU, Oklahoma, annually .

Absolutely we're ready. The sooner we get SEC resources and are regularly competing against likeminded regional universities as our conference mates, the sooner we move beyond uncompetitive blowouts like today. I'm glad for the revenue gap as it has finally defeated that old argument about the ACC being a plus due to the easier path to championships....tens of millions of dollars per year have forced the administration to seek a place among the nations best in order to get the $ to compete at that level. Running roughshod over a weak ACC would only lead to more games like today when we meet P2 teams in the playoff, not less.

I'm genuinely sorry - I'm new here and am still learning the ACC posters....

Is this a serious statement or self-deprecating humor?

(12-31-2023 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:11 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 11:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Can't wait for the FSU fanbois realization it ain't easy to get to most B1G schools. Throw in playing outdoors in colder temps than Syracuse gets. Enjoy those trips.

What I'm a bit puzzled over is baseball and softball. FSU loves those sports. They both suffer in the Big 10. I'm not convinced they go there. Nobody can guarantee them AAU status. It doesn't work that way. And nobody can guarantee the Big 10 presidents will vote for them either. The commissioner and AD's may like to have them but have no vote. Their position is far more complicated than they seem to realize. The SEC won't touch them unless the ACC tells them bye! Then they'll have to seek the favor of ESPN to facilitate the move. In other words, they will be depending upon the grace of three parties they've savaged at one time or another. Climbing out on a limb with a saw comes to mind. Even if the Big 10 says yes, scheduling games within the ESPN family may well become an icy project. It will be as if 1977 and 78 have returned and Bobby Bowden is playing everywhere but close to home, only they'll do it without Bobby or his grace.

Maybe not anymore, but I'm sure there was some pent up animosity towards the SEC back in 1990. They want to be in the company of academic elites; this was cited as a reason to choose the ACC in '90. Bowden also wanted to avoid the meat grinder that is the SEC. How much has changed? Did watching the trustees meetings give you the vibe they want to be in the SEC or Big Ten?

100% Big Ten from where I am sitting. They want to be the only FLA school, and they want to be special. But they want to make more money, of course.

FSU is an Independent at heart. They think like an Independent, and they will make their next decision based on this line of thinking.

Cooler and wiser heads will prevail and demur and they will opt for playing where their fans can easily follow. And your view of 1990-2 is a bit revised. ESPN held the total of the SEC offer because at the time ESPN had not yet purchased the ACC rights, though they were thinking about it, and the SEC used them for the valuation. That is how the ACC knew to be there a day early with 2 million more to offer. ESPN realized they couldn't afford the SEC rights if they held both Florida Schools. Bowden wanted the SEC but covered for his president and the trustees decision with his remarks.

Texas and Oklahoma decided on the SEC for the same reasons. ESPN will make it happen because neither the SEC nor ESPN want the Big 10 in Florida, and neither should the ACC. This is why scorched earth awaits the Noles if they choose spite instead of inclusion.

At the end of the day, FSU will have to go hat in hand and plead with the SEC to take them in. Even though the Big Ten has shown that being contiguous to the footprint is not a disqualification for membership, LA is one thing and Tallahassee quite another. Both the B1G and FSU will realize that theirs would not be a match made in heaven. Realistically, what other choice would the Noles have beside the SEC?

Their biggest problem is that they need to get out of the ACC before anybody else's fingerprints (looking at you, ESPN) are on the conference switch. The ACC could help here by declaring they will only "let" them out of the GoR if they go to the SEC, and then formally "ask" ESPN's permission to do that.

(12-31-2023 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:11 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 11:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Can't wait for the FSU fanbois realization it ain't easy to get to most B1G schools. Throw in playing outdoors in colder temps than Syracuse gets. Enjoy those trips.

What I'm a bit puzzled over is baseball and softball. FSU loves those sports. They both suffer in the Big 10. I'm not convinced they go there. Nobody can guarantee them AAU status. It doesn't work that way. And nobody can guarantee the Big 10 presidents will vote for them either. The commissioner and AD's may like to have them but have no vote. Their position is far more complicated than they seem to realize. The SEC won't touch them unless the ACC tells them bye! Then they'll have to seek the favor of ESPN to facilitate the move. In other words, they will be depending upon the grace of three parties they've savaged at one time or another. Climbing out on a limb with a saw comes to mind. Even if the Big 10 says yes, scheduling games within the ESPN family may well become an icy project. It will be as if 1977 and 78 have returned and Bobby Bowden is playing everywhere but close to home, only they'll do it without Bobby or his grace.

Maybe not anymore, but I'm sure there was some pent up animosity towards the SEC back in 1990. They want to be in the company of academic elites; this was cited as a reason to choose the ACC in '90. Bowden also wanted to avoid the meat grinder that is the SEC. How much has changed? Did watching the trustees meetings give you the vibe they want to be in the SEC or Big Ten?

100% Big Ten from where I am sitting. They want to be the only FLA school, and they want to be special. But they want to make more money, of course.

FSU is an Independent at heart. They think like an Independent, and they will make their next decision based on this line of thinking.

Cooler and wiser heads will prevail and demur and they will opt for playing where their fans can easily follow. And your view of 1990-2 is a bit revised. ESPN held the total of the SEC offer because at the time ESPN had not yet purchased the ACC rights, though they were thinking about it, and the SEC used them for the valuation. That is how the ACC knew to be there a day early with 2 million more to offer. ESPN realized they couldn't afford the SEC rights if they held both Florida Schools. Bowden wanted the SEC but covered for his president and the trustees decision with his remarks.

Texas and Oklahoma decided on the SEC for the same reasons. ESPN will make it happen because neither the SEC nor ESPN want the Big 10 in Florida, and neither should the ACC. This is why scorched earth awaits the Noles if they choose spite instead of inclusion.

Nothing about FSU’s actions over the past year suggest that there are “cooler and wiser heads”. FSU is throwing tantrums, on and off the field.

(12-30-2023 07:59 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  It's the ACC's fault that FSU lost.

Yep blame the ACC. Just think Nov 25th GT lost to UGA by 8. 31-23... Clearly there is depth issues at FSU.

(12-31-2023 03:01 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 08:20 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 07:20 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Question for the FSU faithful. We know both schools had a lot of players opt out of this game, but, are You fans ready to go into this brutal hellhole known by most as the SEC. Down 60 to the 2nd place school . Now We all know it wouldn’t be this way every year but the ACC will always be an easier route instead of facing Alabama,Georgia,Texas,LSU, Oklahoma, annually .

Absolutely we're ready. The sooner we get SEC resources and are regularly competing against likeminded regional universities as our conference mates, the sooner we move beyond uncompetitive blowouts like today. I'm glad for the revenue gap as it has finally defeated that old argument about the ACC being a plus due to the easier path to championships....tens of millions of dollars per year have forced the administration to seek a place among the nations best in order to get the $ to compete at that level. Running roughshod over a weak ACC would only lead to more games like today when we meet P2 teams in the playoff, not less.

I'm genuinely sorry - I'm new here and am still learning the ACC posters....

Is this a serious statement or self-deprecating humor?

I believe he was serious, unfortunately. He usually is a much more solid poster, but this issue with FSU and the ACC is causing quite a few posters to respond harshly and emotionally to each other. Its going to be a long 2 or 3 years.

(12-31-2023 09:09 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:11 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 11:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Can't wait for the FSU fanbois realization it ain't easy to get to most B1G schools. Throw in playing outdoors in colder temps than Syracuse gets. Enjoy those trips.

What I'm a bit puzzled over is baseball and softball. FSU loves those sports. They both suffer in the Big 10. I'm not convinced they go there. Nobody can guarantee them AAU status. It doesn't work that way. And nobody can guarantee the Big 10 presidents will vote for them either. The commissioner and AD's may like to have them but have no vote. Their position is far more complicated than they seem to realize. The SEC won't touch them unless the ACC tells them bye! Then they'll have to seek the favor of ESPN to facilitate the move. In other words, they will be depending upon the grace of three parties they've savaged at one time or another. Climbing out on a limb with a saw comes to mind. Even if the Big 10 says yes, scheduling games within the ESPN family may well become an icy project. It will be as if 1977 and 78 have returned and Bobby Bowden is playing everywhere but close to home, only they'll do it without Bobby or his grace.

Maybe not anymore, but I'm sure there was some pent up animosity towards the SEC back in 1990. They want to be in the company of academic elites; this was cited as a reason to choose the ACC in '90. Bowden also wanted to avoid the meat grinder that is the SEC. How much has changed? Did watching the trustees meetings give you the vibe they want to be in the SEC or Big Ten?

100% Big Ten from where I am sitting. They want to be the only FLA school, and they want to be special. But they want to make more money, of course.

FSU is an Independent at heart. They think like an Independent, and they will make their next decision based on this line of thinking.

Cooler and wiser heads will prevail and demur and they will opt for playing where their fans can easily follow. And your view of 1990-2 is a bit revised. ESPN held the total of the SEC offer because at the time ESPN had not yet purchased the ACC rights, though they were thinking about it, and the SEC used them for the valuation. That is how the ACC knew to be there a day early with 2 million more to offer. ESPN realized they couldn't afford the SEC rights if they held both Florida Schools. Bowden wanted the SEC but covered for his president and the trustees decision with his remarks.

Texas and Oklahoma decided on the SEC for the same reasons. ESPN will make it happen because neither the SEC nor ESPN want the Big 10 in Florida, and neither should the ACC. This is why scorched earth awaits the Noles if they choose spite instead of inclusion.

At the end of the day, FSU will have to go hat in hand and plead with the SEC to take them in. Even though the Big Ten has shown that being contiguous to the footprint is not a disqualification for membership, LA is one thing and Tallahassee quite another. Both the B1G and FSU will realize that theirs would not be a match made in heaven. Realistically, what other choice would the Noles have beside the SEC?

Their biggest problem is that they need to get out of the ACC before anybody else's fingerprints (looking at you, ESPN) are on the conference switch. The ACC could help here by declaring they will only "let" them out of the GoR if they go to the SEC, and then formally "ask" ESPN's permission to do that.

The B1G definitely wants FSU. They are at the top of the list. A lot of you are very ignorant thinking it would get this far without FSU having a landing spot

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(12-31-2023 09:44 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 07:59 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  It's the ACC's fault that FSU lost.

Yep blame the ACC. Just think Nov 25th GT lost to UGA by 8. 31-23... Clearly there is depth issues at FSU.

You are comparing a game of starters vs starters to a meaningless bowl game with many times third stringers against UGA starters ...

Plus uga controlled your rivalry game and gt scored at the end after UGA coasted

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(12-31-2023 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:11 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 11:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Can't wait for the FSU fanbois realization it ain't easy to get to most B1G schools. Throw in playing outdoors in colder temps than Syracuse gets. Enjoy those trips.

What I'm a bit puzzled over is baseball and softball. FSU loves those sports. They both suffer in the Big 10. I'm not convinced they go there. Nobody can guarantee them AAU status. It doesn't work that way. And nobody can guarantee the Big 10 presidents will vote for them either. The commissioner and AD's may like to have them but have no vote. Their position is far more complicated than they seem to realize. The SEC won't touch them unless the ACC tells them bye! Then they'll have to seek the favor of ESPN to facilitate the move. In other words, they will be depending upon the grace of three parties they've savaged at one time or another. Climbing out on a limb with a saw comes to mind. Even if the Big 10 says yes, scheduling games within the ESPN family may well become an icy project. It will be as if 1977 and 78 have returned and Bobby Bowden is playing everywhere but close to home, only they'll do it without Bobby or his grace.

Maybe not anymore, but I'm sure there was some pent up animosity towards the SEC back in 1990. They want to be in the company of academic elites; this was cited as a reason to choose the ACC in '90. Bowden also wanted to avoid the meat grinder that is the SEC. How much has changed? Did watching the trustees meetings give you the vibe they want to be in the SEC or Big Ten?

100% Big Ten from where I am sitting. They want to be the only FLA school, and they want to be special. But they want to make more money, of course.

FSU is an Independent at heart. They think like an Independent, and they will make their next decision based on this line of thinking.

Cooler and wiser heads will prevail and demur and they will opt for playing where their fans can easily follow. And your view of 1990-2 is a bit revised. ESPN held the total of the SEC offer because at the time ESPN had not yet purchased the ACC rights, though they were thinking about it, and the SEC used them for the valuation. That is how the ACC knew to be there a day early with 2 million more to offer. ESPN realized they couldn't afford the SEC rights if they held both Florida Schools. Bowden wanted the SEC but covered for his president and the trustees decision with his remarks.

JR, will all due respect, your story here is the revised one. We have Bowden and FSU's administration giving public statements regarding their reasons for opting for the ACC. Easier schedule and academics. Until I see all this shadow talk somewhere else, I have to believe Bowden doubling down on his remarks years later.

FSU wants the ACC lifestyle with about $20-30m more in the bag. They are not built for SEC competition and will be South Carolina 2.0. But hey, maybe their fans will be okay with that because the school will make more money and share it with them.

(12-31-2023 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:11 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 11:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Can't wait for the FSU fanbois realization it ain't easy to get to most B1G schools. Throw in playing outdoors in colder temps than Syracuse gets. Enjoy those trips.

What I'm a bit puzzled over is baseball and softball. FSU loves those sports. They both suffer in the Big 10. I'm not convinced they go there. Nobody can guarantee them AAU status. It doesn't work that way. And nobody can guarantee the Big 10 presidents will vote for them either. The commissioner and AD's may like to have them but have no vote. Their position is far more complicated than they seem to realize. The SEC won't touch them unless the ACC tells them bye! Then they'll have to seek the favor of ESPN to facilitate the move. In other words, they will be depending upon the grace of three parties they've savaged at one time or another. Climbing out on a limb with a saw comes to mind. Even if the Big 10 says yes, scheduling games within the ESPN family may well become an icy project. It will be as if 1977 and 78 have returned and Bobby Bowden is playing everywhere but close to home, only they'll do it without Bobby or his grace.

Maybe not anymore, but I'm sure there was some pent up animosity towards the SEC back in 1990. They want to be in the company of academic elites; this was cited as a reason to choose the ACC in '90. Bowden also wanted to avoid the meat grinder that is the SEC. How much has changed? Did watching the trustees meetings give you the vibe they want to be in the SEC or Big Ten?

100% Big Ten from where I am sitting. They want to be the only FLA school, and they want to be special. But they want to make more money, of course.

FSU is an Independent at heart. They think like an Independent, and they will make their next decision based on this line of thinking.

Cooler and wiser heads will prevail and demur and they will opt for playing where their fans can easily follow. And your view of 1990-2 is a bit revised. ESPN held the total of the SEC offer because at the time ESPN had not yet purchased the ACC rights, though they were thinking about it, and the SEC used them for the valuation. That is how the ACC knew to be there a day early with 2 million more to offer. ESPN realized they couldn't afford the SEC rights if they held both Florida Schools. Bowden wanted the SEC but covered for his president and the trustees decision with his remarks.

JR, will all due respect, your story here is the revised one. We have Bowden and FSU's administration giving public statements regarding their reasons for opting for the ACC. Easier schedule and academics. Until I see all this shadow talk somewhere else, I have to believe Bowden doubling down on his remarks years later.

FSU wants the ACC lifestyle with about $20-30m more in the bag. They are not built for SEC competition and will be South Carolina 2.0. But hey, maybe their fans will be okay with that because the school will make more money and share it with them.

Actually JR is right and I'm surprised on his tone change as he disputed this with me in the past

The SEC wasn't in on FSU. The acc deal was pretty much done and then the SEC tried to make an appearance of an offer

The sec turned down FSU multiple times throughout the years before that. They've never wanted FSU on even ground with them. The talk of FSU ducking the sec is just fanboys on message boards when trying to hate on FSU.

And ask LSU how Fsu would compete with the sec. Again you guys are lashing out because you know Fsu is valuable and they are leaving. Nobody would care if a bottom tier team was leaving the acc

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(12-31-2023 11:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:11 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 11:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  What I'm a bit puzzled over is baseball and softball. FSU loves those sports. They both suffer in the Big 10. I'm not convinced they go there. Nobody can guarantee them AAU status. It doesn't work that way. And nobody can guarantee the Big 10 presidents will vote for them either. The commissioner and AD's may like to have them but have no vote. Their position is far more complicated than they seem to realize. The SEC won't touch them unless the ACC tells them bye! Then they'll have to seek the favor of ESPN to facilitate the move. In other words, they will be depending upon the grace of three parties they've savaged at one time or another. Climbing out on a limb with a saw comes to mind. Even if the Big 10 says yes, scheduling games within the ESPN family may well become an icy project. It will be as if 1977 and 78 have returned and Bobby Bowden is playing everywhere but close to home, only they'll do it without Bobby or his grace.

Maybe not anymore, but I'm sure there was some pent up animosity towards the SEC back in 1990. They want to be in the company of academic elites; this was cited as a reason to choose the ACC in '90. Bowden also wanted to avoid the meat grinder that is the SEC. How much has changed? Did watching the trustees meetings give you the vibe they want to be in the SEC or Big Ten?

100% Big Ten from where I am sitting. They want to be the only FLA school, and they want to be special. But they want to make more money, of course.

FSU is an Independent at heart. They think like an Independent, and they will make their next decision based on this line of thinking.

Cooler and wiser heads will prevail and demur and they will opt for playing where their fans can easily follow. And your view of 1990-2 is a bit revised. ESPN held the total of the SEC offer because at the time ESPN had not yet purchased the ACC rights, though they were thinking about it, and the SEC used them for the valuation. That is how the ACC knew to be there a day early with 2 million more to offer. ESPN realized they couldn't afford the SEC rights if they held both Florida Schools. Bowden wanted the SEC but covered for his president and the trustees decision with his remarks.

JR, will all due respect, your story here is the revised one. We have Bowden and FSU's administration giving public statements regarding their reasons for opting for the ACC. Easier schedule and academics. Until I see all this shadow talk somewhere else, I have to believe Bowden doubling down on his remarks years later.

FSU wants the ACC lifestyle with about $20-30m more in the bag. They are not built for SEC competition and will be South Carolina 2.0. But hey, maybe their fans will be okay with that because the school will make more money and share it with them.

Actually JR is right and I'm surprised on his tone change as he disputed this with me in the past

The SEC wasn't in on FSU. The acc deal was pretty much done and then the SEC tried to make an appearance of an offer

The sec turned down FSU multiple times throughout the years before that. They've never wanted FSU on even ground with them. The talk of FSU ducking the sec is just fanboys on message boards when trying to hate on FSU.

And ask LSU how Fsu would compete with the sec. Again you guys are lashing out because you know Fsu is valuable and they are leaving. Nobody would care if a bottom tier team was leaving the acc

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Yes, you are correct the SEC rejected FSU countless times over the decades. Regarding 1990, the news of the SEC targeting FSU (and five others) came out way before the ACC talk, however. FSU clearly chose the ACC over the SEC. Anything else is revisionist history.

I don't care if FSU wants to leave, leaves, whatever. It doesn't affect me. I just want the conference to get the money FSU owes for their media rights THEY SIGNED AWAY.

Also, was Bowden a fanboy? lol

(12-31-2023 11:15 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:11 AM)esayem Wrote:  Maybe not anymore, but I'm sure there was some pent up animosity towards the SEC back in 1990. They want to be in the company of academic elites; this was cited as a reason to choose the ACC in '90. Bowden also wanted to avoid the meat grinder that is the SEC. How much has changed? Did watching the trustees meetings give you the vibe they want to be in the SEC or Big Ten?

100% Big Ten from where I am sitting. They want to be the only FLA school, and they want to be special. But they want to make more money, of course.

FSU is an Independent at heart. They think like an Independent, and they will make their next decision based on this line of thinking.

Cooler and wiser heads will prevail and demur and they will opt for playing where their fans can easily follow. And your view of 1990-2 is a bit revised. ESPN held the total of the SEC offer because at the time ESPN had not yet purchased the ACC rights, though they were thinking about it, and the SEC used them for the valuation. That is how the ACC knew to be there a day early with 2 million more to offer. ESPN realized they couldn't afford the SEC rights if they held both Florida Schools. Bowden wanted the SEC but covered for his president and the trustees decision with his remarks.

JR, will all due respect, your story here is the revised one. We have Bowden and FSU's administration giving public statements regarding their reasons for opting for the ACC. Easier schedule and academics. Until I see all this shadow talk somewhere else, I have to believe Bowden doubling down on his remarks years later.

FSU wants the ACC lifestyle with about $20-30m more in the bag. They are not built for SEC competition and will be South Carolina 2.0. But hey, maybe their fans will be okay with that because the school will make more money and share it with them.

Actually JR is right and I'm surprised on his tone change as he disputed this with me in the past

The SEC wasn't in on FSU. The acc deal was pretty much done and then the SEC tried to make an appearance of an offer

The sec turned down FSU multiple times throughout the years before that. They've never wanted FSU on even ground with them. The talk of FSU ducking the sec is just fanboys on message boards when trying to hate on FSU.

And ask LSU how Fsu would compete with the sec. Again you guys are lashing out because you know Fsu is valuable and they are leaving. Nobody would care if a bottom tier team was leaving the acc

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Yes, you are correct the SEC rejected FSU countless times over the decades. Regarding 1990, the news of the SEC targeting FSU (and five others) came out way before the ACC talk, however. FSU clearly chose the ACC over the SEC. Anything else is revisionist history.

I don't care if FSU wants to leave, leaves, whatever. It doesn't affect me. I just want the conference to get the money FSU owes for their media rights THEY SIGNED AWAY.

Also, was Bowden a fanboy? lol

Bowden was covering for administrative people as JR said. The SEC never made a serious offer to FSU. They monitored the process and were p footing around but tried to make an appearance offer at the end.

The acc will get some money from FSU. Wont be near what you guys think though . And that deal isn't through 36 either.

UNC will be in the next wave to leave too despite you guys wanting to rule over a lesser conference when the P2 takes teams .

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(12-31-2023 11:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:11 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 11:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  What I'm a bit puzzled over is baseball and softball. FSU loves those sports. They both suffer in the Big 10. I'm not convinced they go there. Nobody can guarantee them AAU status. It doesn't work that way. And nobody can guarantee the Big 10 presidents will vote for them either. The commissioner and AD's may like to have them but have no vote. Their position is far more complicated than they seem to realize. The SEC won't touch them unless the ACC tells them bye! Then they'll have to seek the favor of ESPN to facilitate the move. In other words, they will be depending upon the grace of three parties they've savaged at one time or another. Climbing out on a limb with a saw comes to mind. Even if the Big 10 says yes, scheduling games within the ESPN family may well become an icy project. It will be as if 1977 and 78 have returned and Bobby Bowden is playing everywhere but close to home, only they'll do it without Bobby or his grace.

Maybe not anymore, but I'm sure there was some pent up animosity towards the SEC back in 1990. They want to be in the company of academic elites; this was cited as a reason to choose the ACC in '90. Bowden also wanted to avoid the meat grinder that is the SEC. How much has changed? Did watching the trustees meetings give you the vibe they want to be in the SEC or Big Ten?

100% Big Ten from where I am sitting. They want to be the only FLA school, and they want to be special. But they want to make more money, of course.

FSU is an Independent at heart. They think like an Independent, and they will make their next decision based on this line of thinking.

Cooler and wiser heads will prevail and demur and they will opt for playing where their fans can easily follow. And your view of 1990-2 is a bit revised. ESPN held the total of the SEC offer because at the time ESPN had not yet purchased the ACC rights, though they were thinking about it, and the SEC used them for the valuation. That is how the ACC knew to be there a day early with 2 million more to offer. ESPN realized they couldn't afford the SEC rights if they held both Florida Schools. Bowden wanted the SEC but covered for his president and the trustees decision with his remarks.

JR, will all due respect, your story here is the revised one. We have Bowden and FSU's administration giving public statements regarding their reasons for opting for the ACC. Easier schedule and academics. Until I see all this shadow talk somewhere else, I have to believe Bowden doubling down on his remarks years later.

FSU wants the ACC lifestyle with about $20-30m more in the bag. They are not built for SEC competition and will be South Carolina 2.0. But hey, maybe their fans will be okay with that because the school will make more money and share it with them.

Actually JR is right and I'm surprised on his tone change as he disputed this with me in the past

The SEC wasn't in on FSU. The acc deal was pretty much done and then the SEC tried to make an appearance of an offer

The sec turned down FSU multiple times throughout the years before that. They've never wanted FSU on even ground with them. The talk of FSU ducking the sec is just fanboys on message boards when trying to hate on FSU.

And ask LSU how Fsu would compete with the sec. Again you guys are lashing out because you know Fsu is valuable and they are leaving. Nobody would care if a bottom tier team was leaving the acc

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Exactly, they're just mad because FSU is daring to challenge their big bad GoR and they know in the end we're out, one way or another. The shiniest and most seaworthy part of the Titanic is working to break away from the mothership, and if Clemson follows the jig is up for them. No longer will UNC, UVA & Duke be able to run their own little fiefdom AND pretend that they are competing at the highest level of college football. The old core ACC has lost all control, and their future is dependent on the whims of a demented leprechaun whose raison d'etre is not to join their club. We'd be angry and lash out too, but fortunately we're not ACC fans and can look forward to a brighter future once the current nasty business is tended.

(12-31-2023 11:33 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:11 AM)esayem Wrote:  Maybe not anymore, but I'm sure there was some pent up animosity towards the SEC back in 1990. They want to be in the company of academic elites; this was cited as a reason to choose the ACC in '90. Bowden also wanted to avoid the meat grinder that is the SEC. How much has changed? Did watching the trustees meetings give you the vibe they want to be in the SEC or Big Ten?

100% Big Ten from where I am sitting. They want to be the only FLA school, and they want to be special. But they want to make more money, of course.

FSU is an Independent at heart. They think like an Independent, and they will make their next decision based on this line of thinking.

Cooler and wiser heads will prevail and demur and they will opt for playing where their fans can easily follow. And your view of 1990-2 is a bit revised. ESPN held the total of the SEC offer because at the time ESPN had not yet purchased the ACC rights, though they were thinking about it, and the SEC used them for the valuation. That is how the ACC knew to be there a day early with 2 million more to offer. ESPN realized they couldn't afford the SEC rights if they held both Florida Schools. Bowden wanted the SEC but covered for his president and the trustees decision with his remarks.

JR, will all due respect, your story here is the revised one. We have Bowden and FSU's administration giving public statements regarding their reasons for opting for the ACC. Easier schedule and academics. Until I see all this shadow talk somewhere else, I have to believe Bowden doubling down on his remarks years later.

FSU wants the ACC lifestyle with about $20-30m more in the bag. They are not built for SEC competition and will be South Carolina 2.0. But hey, maybe their fans will be okay with that because the school will make more money and share it with them.

Actually JR is right and I'm surprised on his tone change as he disputed this with me in the past

The SEC wasn't in on FSU. The acc deal was pretty much done and then the SEC tried to make an appearance of an offer

The sec turned down FSU multiple times throughout the years before that. They've never wanted FSU on even ground with them. The talk of FSU ducking the sec is just fanboys on message boards when trying to hate on FSU.

And ask LSU how Fsu would compete with the sec. Again you guys are lashing out because you know Fsu is valuable and they are leaving. Nobody would care if a bottom tier team was leaving the acc

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Exactly, they're just mad because FSU is daring to challenge their big bad GoR and they know in the end we're out, one way or another. The shiniest and most seaworthy part of the Titanic is working to break away from the mothership, and if Clemson follows the jig is up for them. No longer will UNC, UVA & Duke be able to run their own little fiefdom AND pretend that they are competing at the highest level of college football. The old core ACC has lost all control, and their future is dependent on the whims of a demented leprechaun whose raison d'etre is not to join their club. We'd be angry and lash out too, but fortunately we're not ACC fans and can look forward to a brighter future once the current nasty business is tended.

Great summary. They are in fact mad that they are losing control and one of the most valuable properties from the acc is leaving.

They know they'll be another Indiana or Mississippi State type if any of them join the P2 . Their other choice will be a depleted acc of schools left behind but not being offered P2 spots.

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(12-31-2023 11:33 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:11 AM)esayem Wrote:  Maybe not anymore, but I'm sure there was some pent up animosity towards the SEC back in 1990. They want to be in the company of academic elites; this was cited as a reason to choose the ACC in '90. Bowden also wanted to avoid the meat grinder that is the SEC. How much has changed? Did watching the trustees meetings give you the vibe they want to be in the SEC or Big Ten?

100% Big Ten from where I am sitting. They want to be the only FLA school, and they want to be special. But they want to make more money, of course.

FSU is an Independent at heart. They think like an Independent, and they will make their next decision based on this line of thinking.

Cooler and wiser heads will prevail and demur and they will opt for playing where their fans can easily follow. And your view of 1990-2 is a bit revised. ESPN held the total of the SEC offer because at the time ESPN had not yet purchased the ACC rights, though they were thinking about it, and the SEC used them for the valuation. That is how the ACC knew to be there a day early with 2 million more to offer. ESPN realized they couldn't afford the SEC rights if they held both Florida Schools. Bowden wanted the SEC but covered for his president and the trustees decision with his remarks.

JR, will all due respect, your story here is the revised one. We have Bowden and FSU's administration giving public statements regarding their reasons for opting for the ACC. Easier schedule and academics. Until I see all this shadow talk somewhere else, I have to believe Bowden doubling down on his remarks years later.

FSU wants the ACC lifestyle with about $20-30m more in the bag. They are not built for SEC competition and will be South Carolina 2.0. But hey, maybe their fans will be okay with that because the school will make more money and share it with them.

Actually JR is right and I'm surprised on his tone change as he disputed this with me in the past

The SEC wasn't in on FSU. The acc deal was pretty much done and then the SEC tried to make an appearance of an offer

The sec turned down FSU multiple times throughout the years before that. They've never wanted FSU on even ground with them. The talk of FSU ducking the sec is just fanboys on message boards when trying to hate on FSU.

And ask LSU how Fsu would compete with the sec. Again you guys are lashing out because you know Fsu is valuable and they are leaving. Nobody would care if a bottom tier team was leaving the acc

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Exactly, they're just mad because FSU is daring to challenge their big bad GoR and they know in the end we're out, one way or another. The shiniest and most seaworthy part of the Titanic is working to break away from the mothership, and if Clemson follows the jig is up for them. No longer will UNC, UVA & Duke be able to run their own little fiefdom AND pretend that they are competing at the highest level of college football. The old core ACC has lost all control, and their future is dependent on the whims of a demented leprechaun whose raison d'etre is not to join their club. We'd be angry and lash out too, but fortunately we're not ACC fans and can look forward to a brighter future once the current nasty business is tended.

Again, nobody is lashing out. That is just your fanbases megalomaniac egos pretending you all are that important. Sorry FSU regrets a deal they signed. Pay us the proper amount and be on your merry way.

(12-31-2023 11:53 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:33 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Cooler and wiser heads will prevail and demur and they will opt for playing where their fans can easily follow. And your view of 1990-2 is a bit revised. ESPN held the total of the SEC offer because at the time ESPN had not yet purchased the ACC rights, though they were thinking about it, and the SEC used them for the valuation. That is how the ACC knew to be there a day early with 2 million more to offer. ESPN realized they couldn't afford the SEC rights if they held both Florida Schools. Bowden wanted the SEC but covered for his president and the trustees decision with his remarks.

JR, will all due respect, your story here is the revised one. We have Bowden and FSU's administration giving public statements regarding their reasons for opting for the ACC. Easier schedule and academics. Until I see all this shadow talk somewhere else, I have to believe Bowden doubling down on his remarks years later.

FSU wants the ACC lifestyle with about $20-30m more in the bag. They are not built for SEC competition and will be South Carolina 2.0. But hey, maybe their fans will be okay with that because the school will make more money and share it with them.

Actually JR is right and I'm surprised on his tone change as he disputed this with me in the past

The SEC wasn't in on FSU. The acc deal was pretty much done and then the SEC tried to make an appearance of an offer

The sec turned down FSU multiple times throughout the years before that. They've never wanted FSU on even ground with them. The talk of FSU ducking the sec is just fanboys on message boards when trying to hate on FSU.

And ask LSU how Fsu would compete with the sec. Again you guys are lashing out because you know Fsu is valuable and they are leaving. Nobody would care if a bottom tier team was leaving the acc

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Exactly, they're just mad because FSU is daring to challenge their big bad GoR and they know in the end we're out, one way or another. The shiniest and most seaworthy part of the Titanic is working to break away from the mothership, and if Clemson follows the jig is up for them. No longer will UNC, UVA & Duke be able to run their own little fiefdom AND pretend that they are competing at the highest level of college football. The old core ACC has lost all control, and their future is dependent on the whims of a demented leprechaun whose raison d'etre is not to join their club. We'd be angry and lash out too, but fortunately we're not ACC fans and can look forward to a brighter future once the current nasty business is tended.

Great summary. They are in fact mad that they are losing control and one of the most valuable properties from the acc is leaving.

They know they'll be another Indiana or Mississippi State type if any of them join the P2 . Their other choice will be a depleted acc of schools left behind but not being offered P2 spots.

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Having FSU in the conference does not make Carolina better lol. We beat South Carolina this season. That’s your future in the SEC, so I imagine you’ll enjoy those trips to Indiana instead!

(12-31-2023 11:25 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:15 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Cooler and wiser heads will prevail and demur and they will opt for playing where their fans can easily follow. And your view of 1990-2 is a bit revised. ESPN held the total of the SEC offer because at the time ESPN had not yet purchased the ACC rights, though they were thinking about it, and the SEC used them for the valuation. That is how the ACC knew to be there a day early with 2 million more to offer. ESPN realized they couldn't afford the SEC rights if they held both Florida Schools. Bowden wanted the SEC but covered for his president and the trustees decision with his remarks.

JR, will all due respect, your story here is the revised one. We have Bowden and FSU's administration giving public statements regarding their reasons for opting for the ACC. Easier schedule and academics. Until I see all this shadow talk somewhere else, I have to believe Bowden doubling down on his remarks years later.

FSU wants the ACC lifestyle with about $20-30m more in the bag. They are not built for SEC competition and will be South Carolina 2.0. But hey, maybe their fans will be okay with that because the school will make more money and share it with them.

Actually JR is right and I'm surprised on his tone change as he disputed this with me in the past

The SEC wasn't in on FSU. The acc deal was pretty much done and then the SEC tried to make an appearance of an offer

The sec turned down FSU multiple times throughout the years before that. They've never wanted FSU on even ground with them. The talk of FSU ducking the sec is just fanboys on message boards when trying to hate on FSU.

And ask LSU how Fsu would compete with the sec. Again you guys are lashing out because you know Fsu is valuable and they are leaving. Nobody would care if a bottom tier team was leaving the acc

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Yes, you are correct the SEC rejected FSU countless times over the decades. Regarding 1990, the news of the SEC targeting FSU (and five others) came out way before the ACC talk, however. FSU clearly chose the ACC over the SEC. Anything else is revisionist history.

I don't care if FSU wants to leave, leaves, whatever. It doesn't affect me. I just want the conference to get the money FSU owes for their media rights THEY SIGNED AWAY.

Also, was Bowden a fanboy? lol

Bowden was covering for administrative people as JR said. The SEC never made a serious offer to FSU. They monitored the process and were p footing around but tried to make an appearance offer at the end.

The acc will get some money from FSU. Wont be near what you guys think though . And that deal isn't through 36 either.

UNC will be in the next wave to leave too despite you guys wanting to rule over a lesser conference when the P2 takes teams .

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So Bowden lied multiple times about wanting to avoid the meat grinder SEC? lol you guys really are nuts

(12-31-2023 01:15 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:53 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:33 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  JR, will all due respect, your story here is the revised one. We have Bowden and FSU's administration giving public statements regarding their reasons for opting for the ACC. Easier schedule and academics. Until I see all this shadow talk somewhere else, I have to believe Bowden doubling down on his remarks years later.

FSU wants the ACC lifestyle with about $20-30m more in the bag. They are not built for SEC competition and will be South Carolina 2.0. But hey, maybe their fans will be okay with that because the school will make more money and share it with them.

Actually JR is right and I'm surprised on his tone change as he disputed this with me in the past

The SEC wasn't in on FSU. The acc deal was pretty much done and then the SEC tried to make an appearance of an offer

The sec turned down FSU multiple times throughout the years before that. They've never wanted FSU on even ground with them. The talk of FSU ducking the sec is just fanboys on message boards when trying to hate on FSU.

And ask LSU how Fsu would compete with the sec. Again you guys are lashing out because you know Fsu is valuable and they are leaving. Nobody would care if a bottom tier team was leaving the acc

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Exactly, they're just mad because FSU is daring to challenge their big bad GoR and they know in the end we're out, one way or another. The shiniest and most seaworthy part of the Titanic is working to break away from the mothership, and if Clemson follows the jig is up for them. No longer will UNC, UVA & Duke be able to run their own little fiefdom AND pretend that they are competing at the highest level of college football. The old core ACC has lost all control, and their future is dependent on the whims of a demented leprechaun whose raison d'etre is not to join their club. We'd be angry and lash out too, but fortunately we're not ACC fans and can look forward to a brighter future once the current nasty business is tended.

Great summary. They are in fact mad that they are losing control and one of the most valuable properties from the acc is leaving.

They know they'll be another Indiana or Mississippi State type if any of them join the P2 . Their other choice will be a depleted acc of schools left behind but not being offered P2 spots.

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Having FSU in the conference does not make Carolina better lol. We beat South Carolina this season. That’s your future in the SEC, so I imagine you’ll enjoy those trips to Indiana instead!

Think you're looking in the mirror on your South Carolina comments...FSU holds their own against the sec and has a dominant all time record against current B1G schools

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(12-31-2023 01:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:25 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:15 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  JR, will all due respect, your story here is the revised one. We have Bowden and FSU's administration giving public statements regarding their reasons for opting for the ACC. Easier schedule and academics. Until I see all this shadow talk somewhere else, I have to believe Bowden doubling down on his remarks years later.

FSU wants the ACC lifestyle with about $20-30m more in the bag. They are not built for SEC competition and will be South Carolina 2.0. But hey, maybe their fans will be okay with that because the school will make more money and share it with them.

Actually JR is right and I'm surprised on his tone change as he disputed this with me in the past

The SEC wasn't in on FSU. The acc deal was pretty much done and then the SEC tried to make an appearance of an offer

The sec turned down FSU multiple times throughout the years before that. They've never wanted FSU on even ground with them. The talk of FSU ducking the sec is just fanboys on message boards when trying to hate on FSU.

And ask LSU how Fsu would compete with the sec. Again you guys are lashing out because you know Fsu is valuable and they are leaving. Nobody would care if a bottom tier team was leaving the acc

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Yes, you are correct the SEC rejected FSU countless times over the decades. Regarding 1990, the news of the SEC targeting FSU (and five others) came out way before the ACC talk, however. FSU clearly chose the ACC over the SEC. Anything else is revisionist history.

I don't care if FSU wants to leave, leaves, whatever. It doesn't affect me. I just want the conference to get the money FSU owes for their media rights THEY SIGNED AWAY.

Also, was Bowden a fanboy? lol

Bowden was covering for administrative people as JR said. The SEC never made a serious offer to FSU. They monitored the process and were p footing around but tried to make an appearance offer at the end.

The acc will get some money from FSU. Wont be near what you guys think though . And that deal isn't through 36 either.

UNC will be in the next wave to leave too despite you guys wanting to rule over a lesser conference when the P2 takes teams .

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So Bowden lied multiple times about wanting to avoid the meat grinder SEC? lol you guys really are nuts

You guys just don't know how it went down. Just like you're in denial on UNC either leaving for the p2 and being an also ran or ruling over a depleted acc of those left behind ...

I know it hurts that your power is going away. Suck it up buttercup

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(12-31-2023 01:22 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 01:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:25 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:15 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 11:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Actually JR is right and I'm surprised on his tone change as he disputed this with me in the past

The SEC wasn't in on FSU. The acc deal was pretty much done and then the SEC tried to make an appearance of an offer

The sec turned down FSU multiple times throughout the years before that. They've never wanted FSU on even ground with them. The talk of FSU ducking the sec is just fanboys on message boards when trying to hate on FSU.

And ask LSU how Fsu would compete with the sec. Again you guys are lashing out because you know Fsu is valuable and they are leaving. Nobody would care if a bottom tier team was leaving the acc

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Yes, you are correct the SEC rejected FSU countless times over the decades. Regarding 1990, the news of the SEC targeting FSU (and five others) came out way before the ACC talk, however. FSU clearly chose the ACC over the SEC. Anything else is revisionist history.

I don't care if FSU wants to leave, leaves, whatever. It doesn't affect me. I just want the conference to get the money FSU owes for their media rights THEY SIGNED AWAY.

Also, was Bowden a fanboy? lol

Bowden was covering for administrative people as JR said. The SEC never made a serious offer to FSU. They monitored the process and were p footing around but tried to make an appearance offer at the end.

The acc will get some money from FSU. Wont be near what you guys think though . And that deal isn't through 36 either.

UNC will be in the next wave to leave too despite you guys wanting to rule over a lesser conference when the P2 takes teams .

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So Bowden lied multiple times about wanting to avoid the meat grinder SEC? lol you guys really are nuts

You guys just don't know how it went down. Just like you're in denial on UNC either leaving for the p2 and being an also ran or ruling over a depleted acc of those left behind ...

I know it hurts that your power is going away. Suck it up buttercup

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Once again. I don’t care if FSU leaves. Thanks for being a great football program. I have no interest in watching Big Ten or SEC sports. It’s okay for me to be fine with that. I know that might be hard for some people to comprehend

63 to 3 ....


Dayum.


Norvell is still digging out the cleat that Kirby planted deep in his arse.

Mikey's got A LOT of work to do, because the backups showed the world just how outmatched they were last night.