It seems like a good move at this point in time.
(1) creates a bridge deeper in the south
(2) new markets
(3) increases basketball
(4) reunites old rivals with UMd
(5) more cannon fodder for the football establishment.
(6) makes it easy to to have 3 divisions of 7.


What it means for the rest of the ACC.
(1) shed football lightweights
(2) instant OOC rivalry games
(3) an infusion of extra cash with the exit fees
(4) an easy 3-5-5 schedule
(5) FSU and Clemson might actually stick around.

OK, so now we have 14 schools.
2 divisions of 7

BC, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, SMU, Stanford, Cal
VT, NCST, Wake, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami

B1G is at an even number now.
It's safe to assume they'll be at an even number after expansion.
So who is #22?
And if they go to 22 why not 24?

We aren't going anywhere.

(12-30-2023 02:41 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  OK, so now we have 14 schools.
2 divisions of 7

BC, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, SMU, Stanford, Cal
VT, NCST, Wake, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami

B1G is at an even number now.
It's safe to assume they'll be at an even number after expansion.
So who is #22?
And if they go to 22 why not 24?

I don’t think even numbers are important any more. The BigTen divisions could be the following:

-UNC, Duke, UVA, RU, UMd, PSU, Purdue
-OSU, UM, MSU, IU, NW, Ill, Iowa
-UW, Minn, Neb, USC, UCLA, UO, UW


As far as ACC divisions go, I’m all for it if there are more games that drive ratings and fan attendance. Cal and Stan are the elephant in the room, I have an idea to marginalize them without kicking them out, just have to think about it for a little bit.

No

(12-30-2023 02:20 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  It seems like a good move at this point in time.
(1) creates a bridge deeper in the south
(2) new markets
(3) increases basketball
(4) reunites old rivals with UMd
(5) more cannon fodder for the football establishment.
(6) makes it easy to to have 3 divisions of 7.


What it means for the rest of the ACC.
(1) shed football lightweights
(2) instant OOC rivalry games
(3) an infusion of extra cash with the exit fees
(4) an easy 3-5-5 schedule
(5) FSU and Clemson might actually stick around.

This is the most plausible way to save the ACC -- sacrifice the football virgins!
(The dude with the knife even looks a little like a Seminole... with a football in his left hand!)

^ Leave San Diego State for Yormark and his mystical white board

(12-30-2023 05:01 PM)esayem Wrote:  No

Why? You will be with your friends making a lot more money. UNC can play traditional ACC rivals OOC.

(12-30-2023 06:54 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 05:01 PM)esayem Wrote:  No

Why? You will be with your friends making a lot more money. UNC can play traditional ACC rivals OOC.

Our friends are here, and Maryland is no friend.

I don't know how many times I have to paint the same picture. The ACC is unequivocally the best home for Carolina. We can put out a top-25 football program with the current deal. The university isn't going to invest overhead into the football program. Not going to happen. We would be another Indiana in the Big Ten. I want to be Carolina of the ACC.

(12-30-2023 02:41 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  OK, so now we have 14 schools.
2 divisions of 7

BC, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, SMU, Stanford, Cal
VT, NCST, Wake, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami

B1G is at an even number now.
It's safe to assume they'll be at an even number after expansion.
So who is #22?
And if they go to 22 why not 24?

Dear lord that division for us is absolutely gross gross gross and so unbalanced...

(12-30-2023 09:44 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 06:54 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 05:01 PM)esayem Wrote:  No

Why? You will be with your friends making a lot more money. UNC can play traditional ACC rivals OOC.

Our friends are here, and Maryland is no friend.

I don't know how many times I have to paint the same picture. The ACC is unequivocally the best home for Carolina. We can put out a top-25 football program with the current deal. The university isn't going to invest overhead into the football program. Not going to happen. We would be another Indiana in the Big Ten. I want to be Carolina of the ACC.

Clemson is our friend, NCSU is your enemy, send Wake a Christmas card every year.

(12-30-2023 02:20 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  It seems like a good move at this point in time.
(1) creates a bridge deeper in the south
(2) new markets
(3) increases basketball
(4) reunites old rivals with UMd
(5) more cannon fodder for the football establishment.
(6) makes it easy to to have 3 divisions of 7.


What it means for the rest of the ACC.
(1) shed football lightweights
(2) instant OOC rivalry games
(3) an infusion of extra cash with the exit fees
(4) an easy 3-5-5 schedule
(5) FSU and Clemson might actually stick around.

When Texas and Oklahoma announced that they were moving to the SEC, the chances of UNC/Duke/UVa ever moving to the B1G plummeted. The SEC already had the strongest football conference, and was adding two additional football blue bloods. That move cornered the B1G; they have no choice but to refocus on strengthening their cash-cow product…football. The B1G will do whatever it takes to get additional football brands…ND, FSU, Miami and Clemson.

UNC, Duke and UVa are much better off in the ACC. If the ACC is imploding or they are being kicked-out, and the trio tries to stay together, the SEC is the more likely destination. The SEC accesses new markets and strengthens basketball/Olympic sports.

(12-31-2023 09:30 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 09:44 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 06:54 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 05:01 PM)esayem Wrote:  No

Why? You will be with your friends making a lot more money. UNC can play traditional ACC rivals OOC.

Our friends are here, and Maryland is no friend.

I don't know how many times I have to paint the same picture. The ACC is unequivocally the best home for Carolina. We can put out a top-25 football program with the current deal. The university isn't going to invest overhead into the football program. Not going to happen. We would be another Indiana in the Big Ten. I want to be Carolina of the ACC.

Clemson is our friend, NCSU is your enemy, send Wake a Christmas card every year.

Clemson is not your friend. You have no friends. You are an Independent SEC reject. NC State is our sister.

(12-30-2023 02:20 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  It seems like a good move at this point in time.
(1) creates a bridge deeper in the south
(2) new markets
(3) increases basketball
(4) reunites old rivals with UMd
(5) more cannon fodder for the football establishment.
(6) makes it easy to to have 3 divisions of 7.


What it means for the rest of the ACC.
(1) shed football lightweights
(2) instant OOC rivalry games
(3) an infusion of extra cash with the exit fees
(4) an easy 3-5-5 schedule
(5) FSU and Clemson might actually stick around.

ACC is UNC's baby. UNC will stick around until the last minute. Duke is UNC's little brother. They will do whatever UNC told them to do. Virginia is also very close to UNC. The three are core of ACC. They won't leave unless ACC is not savable. To demolish ACC, B1G has to start with FSU and Miami. Probably two schools each time. Next pair is Georgia Tech and Clemson.

Georgia Tech is a money loser at this stage. Not sure why people keep throwing them out there

(12-31-2023 01:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  Georgia Tech is a money loser at this stage. Not sure why people keep throwing them out there

B1G cares more on footprint. Otherwise they won't take Rutgers.

(12-31-2023 03:50 PM)Blust3 Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 01:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  Georgia Tech is a money loser at this stage. Not sure why people keep throwing them out there

B1G cares more on footprint. Otherwise they won't take Rutgers.

They wouldn’t be added today. They got in under the old paradigm of conference network money based on large markets. If the Big Ten cared that much about markets they’d bring in a couple of other Rutgers-types in larger markets that are readily available: South Florida and Rice.

(12-31-2023 01:19 PM)Blust3 Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 02:20 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  It seems like a good move at this point in time.
(1) creates a bridge deeper in the south
(2) new markets
(3) increases basketball
(4) reunites old rivals with UMd
(5) more cannon fodder for the football establishment.
(6) makes it easy to to have 3 divisions of 7.


What it means for the rest of the ACC.
(1) shed football lightweights
(2) instant OOC rivalry games
(3) an infusion of extra cash with the exit fees
(4) an easy 3-5-5 schedule
(5) FSU and Clemson might actually stick around.

ACC is UNC's baby. UNC will stick around until the last minute. Duke is UNC's little brother. They will do whatever UNC told them to do. Virginia is also very close to UNC. The three are core of ACC. They won't leave unless ACC is not savable. To demolish ACC, B1G has to start with FSU and Miami. Probably two schools each time. Next pair is Georgia Tech and Clemson.

As in many family situations, those on the outside are often not aware of who really runs the show and how thev prevail on the others to do their bidding. Duke is not UNC's "little brother". If anything Duke is UNC's half brother, causing NC State to be de facto little brother to both.