(12-31-2023 08:10 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 10:25 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  The ACC is going to survive because it's an ESPN coneference, plain and simple.

If ESPN wanted, FSU, Clemson or whomever would be in either the SEC or B1G but ESPN doesn't want that, at least not for now. The GOR is just a fig-leaf of an excuse. ESPN needs their two best programs to be in this conference and until they decide otherwise they are here.

For good or for bad we are conference-mates now.

100 percent agree! If When FSU leaves, USF can be called up! Not so sure the rest of the ACC wants to leave like FSU as know one has joined the lawsuit. Going to be interesting!

FIFY

BTW, Notre Dame already has a h/h scheduled with USF for 2029/2031.
It's a lot easier to get to Tampa from South Bend than to get to Tallahassee.

(12-29-2023 03:00 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 01:35 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  I think the lawsuit will end with a Buyout number.
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Of course. That's what the lawsuit is designed to do: transform the unprecedented into the quantifiable. From there, decisions can be made by individual schools about when to leave and how to pay.

Many are eager to remark that the ACC benefits from dragging this out. Perhaps. But it's not at all clear that ESPN does, and that could end up making a big difference. We'll see.

In any event, we can forget 2036. An 'early' exit is now 2025 and a 'late' exit is now around 2028.

Lets say the judge says the 2025 Number is $425M and the 2028 is $280M. If FSU stays until 2028 that sill be the funniest thing ever. FSU had the balls to start the lawsuit they better have the balls to buyout for 2025! Or they will become the laughing stock of College Athletics. I wonder if recruiting will/would be hurt be this also???

(12-29-2023 03:00 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 01:35 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  I think the lawsuit will end with a Buyout number.
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Of course. That's what the lawsuit is designed to do: transform the unprecedented into the quantifiable. From there, decisions can be made by individual schools about when to leave and how to pay.

Many are eager to remark that the ACC benefits from dragging this out. Perhaps. But it's not at all clear that ESPN does, and that could end up making a big difference. We'll see.

In any event, we can forget 2036. An 'early' exit is now 2025 and a 'late' exit is now around 2028.

Regarding the bolded…what the collective ACC prefers has little to do with the speed of settling this dispute. IMO, the ACC is a relatively weak confederation compared to the diverse interests of each individual member. The complexity with the GOR is that each member now has veto rights on determining a value for FSU. If Clemson, Miami, UNC, ND, etc. commit to stay in the ACC, then FSU’s exit fee could be relatively lower. Just like FSU claims that the ACC has not served the interests of FSU, the flip side is members who will not allow a settlement to degrade their vision of the ACC. What Phillips, and the ACC, desire (or how the ACC can benefit) is not as relevant as finding an acceptable compromise to all other conference members.

Maybe ESPN will be a white knight that resolves this dispute. Unfortunately, ESPN has not been throwing around money like they did decades ago.

(01-02-2024 08:56 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 03:00 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 01:35 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  I think the lawsuit will end with a Buyout number.
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Of course. That's what the lawsuit is designed to do: transform the unprecedented into the quantifiable. From there, decisions can be made by individual schools about when to leave and how to pay.

Many are eager to remark that the ACC benefits from dragging this out. Perhaps. But it's not at all clear that ESPN does, and that could end up making a big difference. We'll see.

In any event, we can forget 2036. An 'early' exit is now 2025 and a 'late' exit is now around 2028.

Regarding the bolded…what the collective ACC prefers has little to do with the speed of settling this dispute. IMO, the ACC is a relatively weak confederation compared to the diverse interests of each individual member. The problem with the GOR is that each member now has veto rights on determining a value for FSU. If Clemson, Miami, UNC, ND, etc. commit to stay in the ACC, then FSU’s exit fee could be relatively lower. Just like FSU claims that the ACC has not served the interests of FSU, the flip side is members who will not allow a settlement to degrade their vision of the ACC. What Phillips, and the ACC, desire (or how the ACC can benefit) is not as relevant as finding an acceptable compromise to all other conference members.

Maybe ESPN will be a white knight that resolves this dispute. Unfortunately, ESPN has not been throwing around money like they did decades ago.

12 of 16 schools have a veto, as many as 3 do not. Regarding a settlement with FSU it would be what 3/4ths will accept although it might not be out of the realm of possibility that hoops are jumped to attempt to reduce it to a 2/3 rds vote which would be 11 of 16.

I think USF should be brought in and because of the Lawsuit, FSU can’t be a No vote . That prevents the B1G or Big 12 from moving in on them and with a 2026 move in date it could offset an FSU move

(01-04-2024 12:30 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I think USF should be brought in and because of the Lawsuit, FSU can’t be a No vote . That prevents the B1G or Big 12 from moving in on them and with a 2026 move in date it could offset an FSU move

USF has proved to be qualified in P4. Just bring them in. Let B1G take FSU and Kansas. I think ACC will stop bleeding from there.

(01-01-2024 09:49 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 08:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 05:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 01:35 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 11:18 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  This GoR may not end with a buy-out of FSU's media rights... but that might be the best option for the Seminoles.

Check out this post, based on info from USA Today (kudos to my FSU reader who pointed this out!)

https://csnbbs.com/thread-983642-post-19...id19386869

I think the lawsuit will end with a Buyout number. However the number may or may not be to FSU liking. It will be interesting. How FSU can stay in the ACC after this will be interesting.

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FSU probable can't stay in the ACC, but on the other hand they couldn't afford to leave.
It would be ironic if the only solution would be for the ACC and SEC to swap schools, with each conference keeping the rights of the leaving school.
FSU moves to the SEC while a SEC schools transfers to the ACC.
If ESPN is making a "Magnolia" out of the ACC then it would be Vanderbilt. If it is for fit and football....South Carolina? At least that wouldn't disrupt the SEC football dynamic.

I'd accept South Carolina - though I don't think they'd be willing to come back.
Vanderbilt is unacceptable.

Why?

You want to replace the #5 team in the country with a team that never wins 5 games?

And we wonder why the ACC is so fractured between football schools and non-football schools?

Adding Vandy would be a disaster to our football branding. Of course you also want to add Tulane. Heck let's add Rice and Davidson too.


Nuts

How's the Sun Dome doing? South Florida would be the only major b-ball game in town. Bring Seth Greenberg back to the conference?

USF On Campus Stadium Update:

The sooner FSU leaves the better for the ACC long term.

I’m excited for USF, they look near ready for the big time.