(12-24-2023 08:28 PM)green Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 08:03 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Compromise: FSU gets their football rights back, pays $100m and get's a ND deal to stay in the ACC. The ACC members get a nice boost in revenue, the ACC saves face and acts like they can be reasonable, the GoRs are not tested, dirty laundry stays in house, the ACC stabilizes. FSU get's greater control of their schedule, distances itself from a tarnished football reputation (thanks ESPN) of the ACC, FSU finds a tv deal that makes them closer to what they want.

https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/1738409999796183206

y'all nothing special ...

'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE XMAS

Greg Swaim, the non-source source. Might as well quote a B12 fanboy ACC hater. They're just as reliable. Probably more so in this case.

(12-23-2023 01:54 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Hopefully not. I don't know even if after emotions simmer down that there can be a salvage of the relationship between the ACC and FSU, one that would keep FSU (and any others tempted to join FSU) in the ACC at the very least until 2036.

What FSU wants is more money, for whatever the reason, it is what it is. You can bet there are others that feel they deserve more too, so if FSU get's concessions then they are going to want it also, so you have to make those who have a landing spot in the BigTen and SEC happy too.

What the ACC could do is make a separate football subdivision, one that would guarantee sellouts (more money), a larger media payout and a larger piece of the success initiative. I'd propose this new division to include: FSU, GT, UM, Clem, UNC, NCSU, UL, VT, Pitt. The ball park figure I'm throwing out is $65m per in media payout starting in 2025 through 2036 with the usual increases. Teams in this subdivision are not obligated to play teams in the other sub-division, but are encouraged to do so.

The other sub-division members will receive approximately what Cal and Stan were expected to receive.

I feel this is preferrable than opening up the floodgates that could see the ACC picked apart by the BigTen, SEC and Big12. After the ESPN contract is up in 2036, maybe we can all make the same afterward.

The Seminoles are gone. P2-ready schools can't afford to stay in the ACC. That's a ton of potential revenues lost every year. New expenses are on the way while those revenue losses add up.

Forget the year 2036. We just learned ESPN hasn't committed to this partnership past 2027.

What can and will be settled in the current dispute are the particulars of exit.

I’m looking for a Hail Mary play. I do not want to be in a separate conference from great members like UM, GT, VT, Clem, UL, NCSU, SU. The fat lady is about to come on stage, but she has not sung yet.

(12-23-2023 03:53 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 03:40 PM)green Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 03:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  Does anyone else think it's strange the conference filed a suit before FSU?

first to file awarded home court advantage ...

TIPPED OFF

The ACC Office or more particularly someone with direct ties to WF, GT, FSU, or Clemson will have kept the Office or the Chancellor/President in the loop every step of FSU's way. Since they have to perform in public, they have to telegraph everything they do. They likely equate silence with passivity.

You will also probably find a great deal of "projection" on FSU's part that telegraphs all they do.


There is no fix for this because the old core ACC is not socially or culturally amenable to public behavior like this. In the long run, the ACC will be better off without them even taking into account a potential reduction in TV money.

Public or private the "Magnificent 7" have the same goals. The "old core ACC" just gets to appear like the good guys.... Carolina Way and all.

(12-23-2023 05:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  When FSU leaves another team will be the Big Dog. Look at Cincy in the AAC. FSU will either finish 8-5 or 9-4 in the SEC most years or head off to games among the cornfields and find out they are still Beta Boy to OSU/Michigan and probably Penn State. USC and Oregon will be in the same spot.

It took Clemson about 20 years after Florida State came into the league to reclaim their "Big Dog" status of ACC football.
Florida State didn't give it up easily and battled to take it back.
The problem is that "the national media" has found Clemson's shtick to be more marketable than Florida State's.
A good "story" can outsell a good record every time.

(12-29-2023 06:18 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 05:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  When FSU leaves another team will be the Big Dog. Look at Cincy in the AAC. FSU will either finish 8-5 or 9-4 in the SEC most years or head off to games among the cornfields and find out they are still Beta Boy to OSU/Michigan and probably Penn State. USC and Oregon will be in the same spot.

It took Clemson about 20 years after Florida State came into the league to reclaim their "Big Dog" status of ACC football.
Florida State didn't give it up easily and battled to take it back.
The problem is that "the national media" has found Clemson's shtick to be more marketable than Florida State's.
A good "story" can outsell a good record every time.

Perhaps the Noles need to embrace the villain role a little more enthusiastically?

(12-29-2023 08:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 06:18 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 05:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  When FSU leaves another team will be the Big Dog. Look at Cincy in the AAC. FSU will either finish 8-5 or 9-4 in the SEC most years or head off to games among the cornfields and find out they are still Beta Boy to OSU/Michigan and probably Penn State. USC and Oregon will be in the same spot.

It took Clemson about 20 years after Florida State came into the league to reclaim their "Big Dog" status of ACC football.
Florida State didn't give it up easily and battled to take it back.
The problem is that "the national media" has found Clemson's shtick to be more marketable than Florida State's.
A good "story" can outsell a good record every time.

Perhaps the Noles need to embrace the villain role a little more enthusiastically?

Maybe it will be the role they play when they have to move to the Big 12.

Hopefully ACC HOLDS ONTO ALL THE TEAMS!!!

(12-29-2023 02:49 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  This conference sucks. Embarrassed for this entire board. Don’t you guys get it - there will only be 40 teams in 2 divisions when it’s all done. The FSU lock- out was just part of the plan to accelerate the desired outcome. I’m convinced everyone on this board is very naive

Did you read that in a bathroom stall underneath the Denver Airport? Lemme guess, aliens broke their QB's leg via telepathy?

(12-23-2023 01:54 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Hopefully not. I don't know even if after emotions simmer down that there can be a salvage of the relationship between the ACC and FSU, one that would keep FSU (and any others tempted to join FSU) in the ACC at the very least until 2036.

What FSU wants is more money, for whatever the reason, it is what it is. You can bet there are others that feel they deserve more too, so if FSU get's concessions then they are going to want it also, so you have to make those who have a landing spot in the BigTen and SEC happy too.

What the ACC could do is make a separate football subdivision, one that would guarantee sellouts (more money), a larger media payout and a larger piece of the success initiative. I'd propose this new division to include: FSU, GT, UM, Clem, UNC, NCSU, UL, VT, Pitt. The ball park figure I'm throwing out is $65m per in media payout starting in 2025 through 2036 with the usual increases. Teams in this subdivision are not obligated to play teams in the other sub-division, but are encouraged to do so.

The other sub-division members will receive approximately what Cal and Stan were expected to receive.

I feel this is preferrable than opening up the floodgates that could see the ACC picked apart by the BigTen, SEC and Big12. After the ESPN contract is up in 2036, maybe we can all make the same afterward.

With regards to FSU’s need for money…

The ACC has implemented the success initiative and is redirecting new members’ media payouts to help FSU, and legacy members. FSU keeps tearing down ACC, while the ACC keeps making overtures.

The CFP expansion will create the next explosion and opportunity with revenue. Phillips needs to align with Yormark to prevent the SEC &/or B1G from skewing CFP payouts to their conferences. FSU then needs to collaborate with the Mag7 to expand the success initiative funding.

FSU is pursuing one of the most complex two-track strategies for getting more money.

(12-29-2023 01:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 08:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 06:18 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 05:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  When FSU leaves another team will be the Big Dog. Look at Cincy in the AAC. FSU will either finish 8-5 or 9-4 in the SEC most years or head off to games among the cornfields and find out they are still Beta Boy to OSU/Michigan and probably Penn State. USC and Oregon will be in the same spot.

It took Clemson about 20 years after Florida State came into the league to reclaim their "Big Dog" status of ACC football.
Florida State didn't give it up easily and battled to take it back.
The problem is that "the national media" has found Clemson's shtick to be more marketable than Florida State's.
A good "story" can outsell a good record every time.

Perhaps the Noles need to embrace the villain role a little more enthusiastically?

Maybe it will be the role they play when they have to move to the Big 12.

Obviously you are either trolling or are truly this stupid.

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(12-29-2023 07:06 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 01:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 08:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 06:18 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 05:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  When FSU leaves another team will be the Big Dog. Look at Cincy in the AAC. FSU will either finish 8-5 or 9-4 in the SEC most years or head off to games among the cornfields and find out they are still Beta Boy to OSU/Michigan and probably Penn State. USC and Oregon will be in the same spot.

It took Clemson about 20 years after Florida State came into the league to reclaim their "Big Dog" status of ACC football.
Florida State didn't give it up easily and battled to take it back.
The problem is that "the national media" has found Clemson's shtick to be more marketable than Florida State's.
A good "story" can outsell a good record every time.

Perhaps the Noles need to embrace the villain role a little more enthusiastically?

Maybe it will be the role they play when they have to move to the Big 12.

Obviously you are either trolling or are truly this stupid.

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These next 2 to 3 years are going to be difficult for all us ACC fans until the FSU issue is settled, but you guys better learn to debate and disagree without throwing out personal insults.

(12-29-2023 07:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 01:54 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Hopefully not. I don't know even if after emotions simmer down that there can be a salvage of the relationship between the ACC and FSU, one that would keep FSU (and any others tempted to join FSU) in the ACC at the very least until 2036.

What FSU wants is more money, for whatever the reason, it is what it is. You can bet there are others that feel they deserve more too, so if FSU get's concessions then they are going to want it also, so you have to make those who have a landing spot in the BigTen and SEC happy too.

What the ACC could do is make a separate football subdivision, one that would guarantee sellouts (more money), a larger media payout and a larger piece of the success initiative. I'd propose this new division to include: FSU, GT, UM, Clem, UNC, NCSU, UL, VT, Pitt. The ball park figure I'm throwing out is $65m per in media payout starting in 2025 through 2036 with the usual increases. Teams in this subdivision are not obligated to play teams in the other sub-division, but are encouraged to do so.

The other sub-division members will receive approximately what Cal and Stan were expected to receive.

I feel this is preferrable than opening up the floodgates that could see the ACC picked apart by the BigTen, SEC and Big12. After the ESPN contract is up in 2036, maybe we can all make the same afterward.

With regards to FSU’s need for money…

The ACC has implemented the success initiative and is redirecting new members’ media payouts to help FSU, and legacy members. FSU keeps tearing down ACC, while the ACC keeps making overtures.

The CFP expansion will create the next explosion and opportunity with revenue. Phillips needs to align with Yormark to prevent the SEC &/or B1G from skewing CFP payouts to their conferences. FSU then needs to collaborate with the Mag7 to expand the success initiative funding.

FSU is pursuing one of the most complex two-track strategies for getting more money.

Clemson also feels that it needs more $$$ in order to continue to compete at the highest levels of college football. In that respect, they have identical desires as FSU. Our method to achieve this has certainly been different than FSU's but we are definitely on the same path as FSU.

I think that Clemson is more conflicted than FSU about leaving the ACC but will leave if given a chance. We are a charter member of the ACC and I think that is valued by Clemson. The ACC has been a good home for us through the years (the extra year of probation doled out by the ACC in the early 80's not withstanding!). The one sport other than football that Clemson has consistently excelled at is soccer (4 NCAA Men's championships) and of course the SEC does not sponsor that sport - I think this is viewed as one of the biggest negatives to Clemson possibly leaving the ACC for the SEC. Having said all of that, football is still king (by a long shot) at Clemson and they will do whatever they feel is necessary to remain competitive at the highest level. The $$$ disparity between the ACC and SEC/BIG is ultimately too big for Clemson to ignore. If given the option to move to either of these conferences (SEC/BIG), Clemson's administration and athletic department have made it fairly clear that they would exercise that option. I think the SEC would be the preferred option (if available).

Clemson nor FSU expect that the ACC will ever be able to materially close the revenue gap between the ACC and SEC/BIG. The "initiatives" that the ACC has undertaken to close this gap are helpful and welcome but they do not make a substantial dent in the gap. To expect the ACC/Phillips to actually use the upcoming CFP expansion to bridge this gap is wishful thinking as the next time the ACC/Phillips outmaneuvers the SEC/BIG in anything related to football will be the very first time!