Discussing the beginning of the beginning of the next round? Different than the Washington State Oregon State machinations....

https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...ant-rights

Perhaps they angle for immunity through the State?

Report: Path exists for Florida State ACC exit due to omission in Grant of Rights

To go where exactly ?

(12-21-2023 10:42 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  To go where exactly ?

I don't think there's any doubt they're going to challenge the grant of rights in court. Where do they go if they're successful? I would hope they would have thought that far ahead but not being privy to that information doesn't mean there isn't a plan.

(12-21-2023 10:42 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  To go where exactly ?

The SEC, I imagine.

If not, the Big Ten would be quite happy to place a strong beach head in SEC country.

I'll put it this way if Florida State is successful and is able to leave then so does North Carolina, Clemson, and Virginia.

(12-21-2023 10:47 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:42 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  To go where exactly ?

I don't think there's any doubt they're going to challenge the grant of rights in court. Where do they go if they're successful? I would hope they would have thought that far ahead but not being privy to that information doesn't mean there isn't a plan.

One does not make such a move without a solid plan. I'm confident they already have a destination earmarked and merely need to find a way to disengage from the ACC without devastating financial consequences.

(12-21-2023 10:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:42 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  To go where exactly ?

The SEC, I imagine.

If not, the Big Ten would be quite happy to place a strong beach head in SEC country.

Big Ten only option for them to get payout. Why would ESPN agree to pay more for them to be in the SEC than they pay them to be in the ACC? ESPN already has FSU.

(12-21-2023 10:36 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Discussing the beginning of the beginning of the next round? Different than the Washington State Oregon State machinations....

https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...ant-rights

The article states a no one has challenged a GOR, yet. FSU might challenge the GOR to test the waters without leaving the conference and thus triggering the baleful effects of the GOR.

(12-21-2023 10:50 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I'll put it this way if Florida State is successful and is able to leave then so does North Carolina, Clemson, and Virginia.

Which would clear the way for the Eastern "Best of the Rest".....

(12-21-2023 10:50 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I'll put it this way if Florida State is successful and is able to leave then so does North Carolina, Clemson, and Virginia.

UNC gonna abandon the Dookies ?

(12-21-2023 10:55 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

I bet the angle will be, considering FSU is a public school, to handle everything in the Florida courts (per the hole in the GOR) at which point the State grants immunity from liability. Done.

I can't help but think that a state granting a school immunity from liability would give pause to other conferences which might be interested.

Would this allow FSU to enter contracts with the trump card of being able to violate the contract with no liability? Is this essentially setting up contracts with single-party liability?

(12-21-2023 10:52 AM)micman Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:42 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  To go where exactly ?

The SEC, I imagine.

If not, the Big Ten would be quite happy to place a strong beach head in SEC country.

Big Ten only option for them to get payout. Why would ESPN agree to pay more for them to be in the SEC than they pay them to be in the ACC? ESPN already has FSU.

Why would the SEC want them? They already have the flagship university in Florida

(12-21-2023 11:11 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:52 AM)micman Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:42 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  To go where exactly ?

The SEC, I imagine.

If not, the Big Ten would be quite happy to place a strong beach head in SEC country.

Big Ten only option for them to get payout. Why would ESPN agree to pay more for them to be in the SEC than they pay them to be in the ACC? ESPN already has FSU.

Why would the SEC want them? They already have the flagship university in Florida

I think Florida is big enough for 2 flagships. And at the moment FSU's upside looks a good bit better.

It's been used before.

Mike Leach: Maybe Texas Tech will 'deliver the check' he feels he's owed after 2009 firing

Quote:Leach had another lawsuit in 2010 dismissed from court because it was deemed Texas Tech had sovereign immunity that prevented it from having to pay monetary damages for a breach of contract.

(12-21-2023 11:13 AM)msu35 Wrote:  It's been used before.

Mike Leach: Maybe Texas Tech will 'deliver the check' he feels he's owed after 2009 firing

Quote:Leach had another lawsuit in 2010 dismissed from court because it was deemed Texas Tech had sovereign immunity that prevented it from having to pay monetary damages for a breach of contract.

And that's what I mean. Why would I enter into a contract knowing that the other party has no fiscal responsibility to honor their end while I retain full fiscal responsibility?

And frankly, it really is a perversion of justice for a state to exempt one party from fiscal responsibility. Why even have contracts in the first place?

(12-21-2023 11:13 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 11:11 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:52 AM)micman Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:42 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  To go where exactly ?

The SEC, I imagine.

If not, the Big Ten would be quite happy to place a strong beach head in SEC country.

Big Ten only option for them to get payout. Why would ESPN agree to pay more for them to be in the SEC than they pay them to be in the ACC? ESPN already has FSU.

Why would the SEC want them? They already have the flagship university in Florida

I think Florida is big enough for 2 flagships. And at the moment FSU's upside looks a good bit better.

Maybe but I’ll believe it when I see it. I could see the Big ten if they can get over the academic thing

(12-21-2023 11:15 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  And that's what I mean. Why would I enter into a contract knowing that the other party has no fiscal responsibility to honor their end while I retain full fiscal responsibility?

Depends on many factors and the risk is minimal for the "other party." It would be different if a school expected to leave a conference and still get payouts from the conference they left, no?