What snub???

(12-20-2023 11:56 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 10:51 AM)thrill_house Wrote:  You can't help but to laugh at this situation.

It's like listening to someone complain about their student loan debt.

Enjoy the next decade + change, ACC schools. You all signed up for this.

FSU had a choice back around 2013-14. They were too snooty to consider the Big 12 or SEC. I remember the Virginia Tech president denigrating the SEC as well.

Yeah, I recall both points regarding FSU and VPI. I am not sure how serious FSU's communications with the SEC were back around 2013/14. Certainly, the B12 talk was covered, in a general sense, significantly, though without the mountain of undisclosed details. Some viewed the brief dance with the B12 then was a ploy to garner more from the ACC.
If that fly on the wall could really talk.....

(12-20-2023 11:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 11:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 10:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  The folks at Florida State had better understand that it was ESPN that facilitated the "snub".
It was a "snub" against the FSU "brand" and not against the ACC.
What that means is that Florida State is not worth as much to the broadcast world as FSU thought it was.

I disagree. IMO, the FSU "brand" is a top-15 national brand. Better than all but a handful of SEC schools.

So this was definitely a snub against the ACC, I think. The very fact that the CFP would snub arguably the #1 football brand in the ACC in favor of the SEC champ speaks volumes about how little status the ACC has in the new order.

I mean, if it was say Duke or Georgia Tech that was the 13-0 ACC champ who got snubbed, it would be easy to say "well, that wasn't an ACC snub, it was Alabama over low-brand Duke". That would IMO make perfect sense. But FSU is not low-brand by any means. They are a very high football brand, not quite Alabama but not far below.

So to me, this makes it clear that the issue was ACC vs SEC.

Oh, BS.

Their star quarterback is hurt. They looked sloppy on offense for two weeks in a row. Alabama handled the #1 team in the nation.

Travis doesn't get hurt and they cruise, they're easily #3.

I agree that if Travis doesn't get hurt FSU gets in. But I think him getting hurt created an opening for the CFP to snub the ACC in favor of the SEC that would never have happened the other way.

Put it this way - if the situation was reversed, if Alabama finished 13-0, but lost Milroe the last three games and looked fugly winning them like FSU did without their starting QB, would they have been left out in favor of a 12-1 ACC champ FSU?

Not IMO.

The ex-FSU president said the outcome shows FSU is in a "secondary-level conference". I think he is spot on.

Alabama has won more national championships than anyone, by far, this century. Not really a fair comparison. Alabama would have gotten in over anyone if they were in FSU’s situation. Would Vanderbilt? Would South Carolina? Aha argument failed

(12-20-2023 12:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 12:13 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

“No one is getting an invite from another league until they know media rights are accessible.”

Translation: ESPN is not letting FSU to go to the B10 and is not ready to release FSU to the SEC.

No. Its just that the Big 10 and SEC aren't going to get in the middle.

On the other hand, FSU will know if the two are interested if they get disentangled. They probably already know.

But there is no value in adding a school with no media rights.

And how can FSU get out without ESPN’s blessing?

AD Hale says “NO ONE is leaving soon” and implies the media right is not accessible as of now.

It doesn’t seem to me ESPN is going to help FSU’s move.

(12-20-2023 11:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 11:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 10:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  The folks at Florida State had better understand that it was ESPN that facilitated the "snub".
It was a "snub" against the FSU "brand" and not against the ACC.
What that means is that Florida State is not worth as much to the broadcast world as FSU thought it was.

I disagree. IMO, the FSU "brand" is a top-15 national brand. Better than all but a handful of SEC schools.

So this was definitely a snub against the ACC, I think. The very fact that the CFP would snub arguably the #1 football brand in the ACC in favor of the SEC champ speaks volumes about how little status the ACC has in the new order.

I mean, if it was say Duke or Georgia Tech that was the 13-0 ACC champ who got snubbed, it would be easy to say "well, that wasn't an ACC snub, it was Alabama over low-brand Duke". That would IMO make perfect sense. But FSU is not low-brand by any means. They are a very high football brand, not quite Alabama but not far below.

So to me, this makes it clear that the issue was ACC vs SEC.

Oh, BS.

Their star quarterback is hurt. They looked sloppy on offense for two weeks in a row. Alabama handled the #1 team in the nation.

Travis doesn't get hurt and they cruise, they're easily #3.

I agree that if Travis doesn't get hurt FSU gets in. But I think him getting hurt created an opening for the CFP to snub the ACC in favor of the SEC that would never have happened the other way.

Put it this way - if the situation was reversed, if Alabama finished 13-0, but lost Milroe the last three games and looked fugly winning them like FSU did without their starting QB, would they have been left out in favor of a 12-1 ACC champ FSU?

Not IMO.

The ex-FSU president said the outcome shows FSU is in a "secondary-level conference". I think he is spot on.

Quo, I generally agree with aspects of your statement. However, I believe FSU was shafted more so than the ACC in totality. There was enough indication within the ACC, that some hanky panky maneuvering was happening with certain leadership forces within the ACC. Maybe it wasn't a bonfire, but certainly a few pillars of smoke were being generated. It was enough, given FSU's quarterback situation, for the playoff committee with their "interests" input, to deny placing FSU among the selected four. I'm not so sure if a few other ACC schools had FSU's record and scores with the exact same opponents, they would have been denied. Partial Notre Dame, probably North Carolina and Miami, would have made it. If such a diss happened to Clemson with an undefeated record and being the ACC champs, there would have been hissy fits galore, and not just from Senator Graham and other SC politicians. That committee would have been confronted way beyond what has already occurred, and the ACC would have pressed to do some explaining.

(12-20-2023 01:40 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 11:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 11:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 10:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  The folks at Florida State had better understand that it was ESPN that facilitated the "snub".
It was a "snub" against the FSU "brand" and not against the ACC.
What that means is that Florida State is not worth as much to the broadcast world as FSU thought it was.

I disagree. IMO, the FSU "brand" is a top-15 national brand. Better than all but a handful of SEC schools.

So this was definitely a snub against the ACC, I think. The very fact that the CFP would snub arguably the #1 football brand in the ACC in favor of the SEC champ speaks volumes about how little status the ACC has in the new order.

I mean, if it was say Duke or Georgia Tech that was the 13-0 ACC champ who got snubbed, it would be easy to say "well, that wasn't an ACC snub, it was Alabama over low-brand Duke". That would IMO make perfect sense. But FSU is not low-brand by any means. They are a very high football brand, not quite Alabama but not far below.

So to me, this makes it clear that the issue was ACC vs SEC.

Oh, BS.

Their star quarterback is hurt. They looked sloppy on offense for two weeks in a row. Alabama handled the #1 team in the nation.

Travis doesn't get hurt and they cruise, they're easily #3.

I agree that if Travis doesn't get hurt FSU gets in. But I think him getting hurt created an opening for the CFP to snub the ACC in favor of the SEC that would never have happened the other way.

Put it this way - if the situation was reversed, if Alabama finished 13-0, but lost Milroe the last three games and looked fugly winning them like FSU did without their starting QB, would they have been left out in favor of a 12-1 ACC champ FSU?

Not IMO.

The ex-FSU president said the outcome shows FSU is in a "secondary-level conference". I think he is spot on.

Alabama has won more national championships than anyone, by far, this century. Not really a fair comparison. Alabama would have gotten in over anyone if they were in FSU’s situation. Would Vanderbilt? Would South Carolina? Aha argument failed

Top football brands in the SEC will not be left out if they win the SEC. The same isn’t true for the ACC

FSU’s chances were hurt by its conference affiliation. The ACC champion is faces a stacked when competing against the SEC champ for a berth

I understand your need to cope though

(12-20-2023 01:44 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 12:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 12:13 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

“No one is getting an invite from another league until they know media rights are accessible.”

Translation: ESPN is not letting FSU to go to the B10 and is not ready to release FSU to the SEC.

No. Its just that the Big 10 and SEC aren't going to get in the middle.

On the other hand, FSU will know if the two are interested if they get disentangled. They probably already know.

But there is no value in adding a school with no media rights.

And how can FSU get out without ESPN’s blessing?

AD Hale says “NO ONE is leaving soon” and implies the media right is not accessible as of now.

It doesn’t seem to me ESPN is going to help FSU’s move.

Probably not. But it is possible ESPN sees value in it.

(12-20-2023 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  The folks at Florida State had better understand that it was ESPN that facilitated the "snub".
It was a "snub" against the FSU "brand" and not against the ACC.
What that means is that Florida State is not worth as much to the broadcast world as FSU thought it was.

NOBODY is worth so much that they could just happily skip away from the ACC right now without repercussions. It’s no insult to FSU that they couldn’t do, alone, what OUT couldn’t do together. They need allies to join them and buy in from all stakeholders: the ACC office, nearly all or all ACC Presidents, ESPN, Sankey, and the SEC Presudents. The Dallas Cowboys couldn’t sort out this mess, at least not in 5 months. Let’s give FSU a year or 2 of behind the scenes coalition-building and see what they can come up with, and let’s see if they pick up some allies (perhaps from unexpected directions).

Example: Louisville and NC State realize that their Athletic future is in jeopardy, as do Northwestern, TCU, CU, Vanderbilt, and Purdue. They all decide that it’s in their best interest to move from 4 to 3 conferences sooner rather than later. ESPN and Fox see an opportunity to add a few years to their current P4 contracts, maybe to get them all ending around 2036, so they also buy in. The soon to be left behind (again) schools from the ACC and Big 12 decide that safety in numbers and a 28 team ACCN with nationwide reach will help them better-prepare for the future and remain competitive with the P2. The P2 grab 4-6 schools from the ACC and Big 12, plus ND (non FB), leading to something like this:

SEC 16 + FSU, Clemson, UNC, VT
B1G 18 + Miami, ASU, and ND (non FB)

Big ACC 28, ACCN fully unleashed and keeps paying out for a very long time

ESPN wins by keeping most of the ACC in house, strengthening the ACCN, and extending the Big 12 schools 5 more years. Every single ACC school wins. Every single Big 12 school gets an immediate raise and even greater certainty of long term relevance. The SEC wins by getting 4 of our top 5 targets, while the B1G gets Miami and 5/9 of ND. Fox would need to get paid into the full Big ACC contract, but that’s just a detail that could be worked out with every other stakeholder satisfied.

That’s a mammoth undertaking though, right? It will take up years to sort out all the details, even if everyone ends up on the same page.

(12-20-2023 02:31 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  The folks at Florida State had better understand that it was ESPN that facilitated the "snub".
It was a "snub" against the FSU "brand" and not against the ACC.
What that means is that Florida State is not worth as much to the broadcast world as FSU thought it was.

NOBODY is worth so much that they could just happily skip away from the ACC right now without repercussions. It’s no insult to FSU that they couldn’t do, alone, what OUT couldn’t do together. They need allies to join them and buy in from all stakeholders: the ACC office, nearly all or all ACC Presidents, ESPN, Sankey, and the SEC Presudents. The Dallas Cowboys couldn’t sort out this mess, at least not in 5 months. Let’s give FSU a year or 2 of behind the scenes coalition-building and see what they can come up with, and let’s see if they pick up some allies (perhaps from unexpected directions).

Example: Louisville and NC State realize that their Athletic future is in jeopardy, as do Northwestern, TCU, CU, Vanderbilt, and Purdue. They all decide that it’s in their best interest to move from 4 to 3 conferences sooner rather than later. ESPN and Fox see an opportunity to add a few years to their current P4 contracts, maybe to get them all ending around 2036, so they also buy in. The soon to be left behind (again) schools from the ACC and Big 12 decide that safety in numbers and a 28 team ACCN with nationwide reach will help them better-prepare for the future and remain competitive with the P2. The P2 grab 4-6 schools from the ACC and Big 12, plus ND (non FB), leading to something like this:

SEC 16 + FSU, Clemson, UNC, VT
B1G 18 + Miami, ASU, and ND (non FB)

Big ACC 28, ACCN fully unleashed and keeps paying out for a very long time

ESPN wins by keeping most of the ACC in house, strengthening the ACCN, and extending the Big 12 schools 5 more years. Every single ACC school wins. Every single Big 12 school gets an immediate raise and even greater certainty of long term relevance. The SEC wins by getting 4 of our top 5 targets, while the B1G gets Miami and 5/9 of ND. Fox would need to get paid into the full Big ACC contract, but that’s just a detail that could be worked out with every other stakeholder satisfied.

That’s a mammoth undertaking though, right? It will take up years to sort out all the details, even if everyone ends up on the same page.

"Like rumors and blog conspiracies, so are the survivor claims of the ACC!" Be sure to tune in next week for ESPN's longest contracted Soap Opera. Will the Mag 7 blow, where would Louisville go, would Wake be out of the show, would the former Big East schools even know? Stay tuned! Same time, same East Coast Channel! Each week more Whine and Sleaze from the Wine and Cheese, classy lasses, bogus classes, pride galore, until behind the doors, but always entertaining!

(12-20-2023 02:31 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  The folks at Florida State had better understand that it was ESPN that facilitated the "snub".
It was a "snub" against the FSU "brand" and not against the ACC.
What that means is that Florida State is not worth as much to the broadcast world as FSU thought it was.

NOBODY is worth so much that they could just happily skip away from the ACC right now without repercussions. It’s no insult to FSU that they couldn’t do, alone, what OUT couldn’t do together. They need allies to join them and buy in from all stakeholders: the ACC office, nearly all or all ACC Presidents, ESPN, Sankey, and the SEC Presudents. The Dallas Cowboys couldn’t sort out this mess, at least not in 5 months. Let’s give FSU a year or 2 of behind the scenes coalition-building and see what they can come up with, and let’s see if they pick up some allies (perhaps from unexpected directions).

Example: Louisville and NC State realize that their Athletic future is in jeopardy, as do Northwestern, TCU, CU, Vanderbilt, and Purdue. They all decide that it’s in their best interest to move from 4 to 3 conferences sooner rather than later. ESPN and Fox see an opportunity to add a few years to their current P4 contracts, maybe to get them all ending around 2036, so they also buy in. The soon to be left behind (again) schools from the ACC and Big 12 decide that safety in numbers and a 28 team ACCN with nationwide reach will help them better-prepare for the future and remain competitive with the P2. The P2 grab 4-6 schools from the ACC and Big 12, plus ND (non FB), leading to something like this:

SEC 16 + FSU, Clemson, UNC, VT
B1G 18 + Miami, ASU, and ND (non FB)

Big ACC 28, ACCN fully unleashed and keeps paying out for a very long time

ESPN wins by keeping most of the ACC in house, strengthening the ACCN, and extending the Big 12 schools 5 more years. Every single ACC school wins. Every single Big 12 school gets an immediate raise and even greater certainty of long term relevance. The SEC wins by getting 4 of our top 5 targets, while the B1G gets Miami and 5/9 of ND. Fox would need to get paid into the full Big ACC contract, but that’s just a detail that could be worked out with every other stakeholder satisfied.

That’s a mammoth undertaking though, right? It will take up years to sort out all the details, even if everyone ends up on the same page.

I think your SEC additions are right. I believe the B1G would take Miami but with Virginia. Notre Dame remains ACC/Independent.

If the ACC (now at 11/12) grows to 20/21 to keep up with the B1G and SEC (and create a geographical bridge) and its able to target XII schools, I'd see the ACC target: Arizona, Arizona St, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma St, Utah, and West Virginia. I could see Houston, South Florida, and TCU maybe getting in over other schools on the list.

The remaining 7 XII schools (Baylor, BYU, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas St, TCU, Texas Tech) add Memphis, Oregon St, San Diego St, Tulane, and Washington St for 12.

(12-20-2023 02:02 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 01:40 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 11:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 11:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 10:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I disagree. IMO, the FSU "brand" is a top-15 national brand. Better than all but a handful of SEC schools.

So this was definitely a snub against the ACC, I think. The very fact that the CFP would snub arguably the #1 football brand in the ACC in favor of the SEC champ speaks volumes about how little status the ACC has in the new order.

I mean, if it was say Duke or Georgia Tech that was the 13-0 ACC champ who got snubbed, it would be easy to say "well, that wasn't an ACC snub, it was Alabama over low-brand Duke". That would IMO make perfect sense. But FSU is not low-brand by any means. They are a very high football brand, not quite Alabama but not far below.

So to me, this makes it clear that the issue was ACC vs SEC.

Oh, BS.

Their star quarterback is hurt. They looked sloppy on offense for two weeks in a row. Alabama handled the #1 team in the nation.

Travis doesn't get hurt and they cruise, they're easily #3.

I agree that if Travis doesn't get hurt FSU gets in. But I think him getting hurt created an opening for the CFP to snub the ACC in favor of the SEC that would never have happened the other way.

Put it this way - if the situation was reversed, if Alabama finished 13-0, but lost Milroe the last three games and looked fugly winning them like FSU did without their starting QB, would they have been left out in favor of a 12-1 ACC champ FSU?

Not IMO.

The ex-FSU president said the outcome shows FSU is in a "secondary-level conference". I think he is spot on.

Alabama has won more national championships than anyone, by far, this century. Not really a fair comparison. Alabama would have gotten in over anyone if they were in FSU’s situation. Would Vanderbilt? Would South Carolina? Aha argument failed

Top football brands in the SEC will not be left out if they win the SEC. The same isn’t true for the ACC

FSU’s chances were hurt by its conference affiliation. The ACC champion is faces a stacked when competing against the SEC champ for a berth

I understand your need to cope though

Alabama and Texas > FSU

Face it. It’s the truth

I understand your need to fire shots because you have a weird obsession with denigrating the ACC

(12-20-2023 02:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 02:31 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  The folks at Florida State had better understand that it was ESPN that facilitated the "snub".
It was a "snub" against the FSU "brand" and not against the ACC.
What that means is that Florida State is not worth as much to the broadcast world as FSU thought it was.

NOBODY is worth so much that they could just happily skip away from the ACC right now without repercussions. It’s no insult to FSU that they couldn’t do, alone, what OUT couldn’t do together. They need allies to join them and buy in from all stakeholders: the ACC office, nearly all or all ACC Presidents, ESPN, Sankey, and the SEC Presudents. The Dallas Cowboys couldn’t sort out this mess, at least not in 5 months. Let’s give FSU a year or 2 of behind the scenes coalition-building and see what they can come up with, and let’s see if they pick up some allies (perhaps from unexpected directions).

Example: Louisville and NC State realize that their Athletic future is in jeopardy, as do Northwestern, TCU, CU, Vanderbilt, and Purdue. They all decide that it’s in their best interest to move from 4 to 3 conferences sooner rather than later. ESPN and Fox see an opportunity to add a few years to their current P4 contracts, maybe to get them all ending around 2036, so they also buy in. The soon to be left behind (again) schools from the ACC and Big 12 decide that safety in numbers and a 28 team ACCN with nationwide reach will help them better-prepare for the future and remain competitive with the P2. The P2 grab 4-6 schools from the ACC and Big 12, plus ND (non FB), leading to something like this:

SEC 16 + FSU, Clemson, UNC, VT
B1G 18 + Miami, ASU, and ND (non FB)

Big ACC 28, ACCN fully unleashed and keeps paying out for a very long time

ESPN wins by keeping most of the ACC in house, strengthening the ACCN, and extending the Big 12 schools 5 more years. Every single ACC school wins. Every single Big 12 school gets an immediate raise and even greater certainty of long term relevance. The SEC wins by getting 4 of our top 5 targets, while the B1G gets Miami and 5/9 of ND. Fox would need to get paid into the full Big ACC contract, but that’s just a detail that could be worked out with every other stakeholder satisfied.

That’s a mammoth undertaking though, right? It will take up years to sort out all the details, even if everyone ends up on the same page.

"Like rumors and blog conspiracies, so are the survivor claims of the ACC!" Be sure to tune in next week for ESPN's longest contracted Soap Opera. Will the Mag 7 blow, where would Louisville go, would Wake be out of the show, would the former Big East schools even know? Stay tuned! Same time, same East Coast Channel! Each week more Whine and Sleaze from the Wine and Cheese, classy lasses, bogus classes, pride galore, until behind the doors, but always entertaining!

Wow, you sound defeated

(12-20-2023 03:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 02:02 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 01:40 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 11:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 11:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  Oh, BS.

Their star quarterback is hurt. They looked sloppy on offense for two weeks in a row. Alabama handled the #1 team in the nation.

Travis doesn't get hurt and they cruise, they're easily #3.

I agree that if Travis doesn't get hurt FSU gets in. But I think him getting hurt created an opening for the CFP to snub the ACC in favor of the SEC that would never have happened the other way.

Put it this way - if the situation was reversed, if Alabama finished 13-0, but lost Milroe the last three games and looked fugly winning them like FSU did without their starting QB, would they have been left out in favor of a 12-1 ACC champ FSU?

Not IMO.

The ex-FSU president said the outcome shows FSU is in a "secondary-level conference". I think he is spot on.

Alabama has won more national championships than anyone, by far, this century. Not really a fair comparison. Alabama would have gotten in over anyone if they were in FSU’s situation. Would Vanderbilt? Would South Carolina? Aha argument failed

Top football brands in the SEC will not be left out if they win the SEC. The same isn’t true for the ACC

FSU’s chances were hurt by its conference affiliation. The ACC champion is faces a stacked when competing against the SEC champ for a berth

I understand your need to cope though

Alabama and Texas > FSU

Face it. It’s the truth

I understand your need to fire shots because you have a weird obsession with denigrating the ACC

Truth = SEC champ > ACC champ

FSU isn’t being left out if an undefeated SEC champion. Just the way it is.


Don’t be insecure. This is a realignment forum- in the era of consolidation, the ACC is fodder. It’s not personal, it’s just that the conference isn’t good enough and on borrowed time

(12-20-2023 03:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 02:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 02:31 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  The folks at Florida State had better understand that it was ESPN that facilitated the "snub".
It was a "snub" against the FSU "brand" and not against the ACC.
What that means is that Florida State is not worth as much to the broadcast world as FSU thought it was.

NOBODY is worth so much that they could just happily skip away from the ACC right now without repercussions. It’s no insult to FSU that they couldn’t do, alone, what OUT couldn’t do together. They need allies to join them and buy in from all stakeholders: the ACC office, nearly all or all ACC Presidents, ESPN, Sankey, and the SEC Presudents. The Dallas Cowboys couldn’t sort out this mess, at least not in 5 months. Let’s give FSU a year or 2 of behind the scenes coalition-building and see what they can come up with, and let’s see if they pick up some allies (perhaps from unexpected directions).

Example: Louisville and NC State realize that their Athletic future is in jeopardy, as do Northwestern, TCU, CU, Vanderbilt, and Purdue. They all decide that it’s in their best interest to move from 4 to 3 conferences sooner rather than later. ESPN and Fox see an opportunity to add a few years to their current P4 contracts, maybe to get them all ending around 2036, so they also buy in. The soon to be left behind (again) schools from the ACC and Big 12 decide that safety in numbers and a 28 team ACCN with nationwide reach will help them better-prepare for the future and remain competitive with the P2. The P2 grab 4-6 schools from the ACC and Big 12, plus ND (non FB), leading to something like this:

SEC 16 + FSU, Clemson, UNC, VT
B1G 18 + Miami, ASU, and ND (non FB)

Big ACC 28, ACCN fully unleashed and keeps paying out for a very long time

ESPN wins by keeping most of the ACC in house, strengthening the ACCN, and extending the Big 12 schools 5 more years. Every single ACC school wins. Every single Big 12 school gets an immediate raise and even greater certainty of long term relevance. The SEC wins by getting 4 of our top 5 targets, while the B1G gets Miami and 5/9 of ND. Fox would need to get paid into the full Big ACC contract, but that’s just a detail that could be worked out with every other stakeholder satisfied.

That’s a mammoth undertaking though, right? It will take up years to sort out all the details, even if everyone ends up on the same page.

"Like rumors and blog conspiracies, so are the survivor claims of the ACC!" Be sure to tune in next week for ESPN's longest contracted Soap Opera. Will the Mag 7 blow, where would Louisville go, would Wake be out of the show, would the former Big East schools even know? Stay tuned! Same time, same East Coast Channel! Each week more Whine and Sleaze from the Wine and Cheese, classy lasses, bogus classes, pride galore, until behind the doors, but always entertaining!

Wow, you sound defeated

Hardly. Just waiting on the Big One and it's coming.

Every conference with the exception of the Big Ten and SEC are on borrowed time / forced marriage.

Except the MAC of course, the most based conference in college football.

(12-20-2023 04:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 03:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 02:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 02:31 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  The folks at Florida State had better understand that it was ESPN that facilitated the "snub".
It was a "snub" against the FSU "brand" and not against the ACC.
What that means is that Florida State is not worth as much to the broadcast world as FSU thought it was.

NOBODY is worth so much that they could just happily skip away from the ACC right now without repercussions. It’s no insult to FSU that they couldn’t do, alone, what OUT couldn’t do together. They need allies to join them and buy in from all stakeholders: the ACC office, nearly all or all ACC Presidents, ESPN, Sankey, and the SEC Presudents. The Dallas Cowboys couldn’t sort out this mess, at least not in 5 months. Let’s give FSU a year or 2 of behind the scenes coalition-building and see what they can come up with, and let’s see if they pick up some allies (perhaps from unexpected directions).

Example: Louisville and NC State realize that their Athletic future is in jeopardy, as do Northwestern, TCU, CU, Vanderbilt, and Purdue. They all decide that it’s in their best interest to move from 4 to 3 conferences sooner rather than later. ESPN and Fox see an opportunity to add a few years to their current P4 contracts, maybe to get them all ending around 2036, so they also buy in. The soon to be left behind (again) schools from the ACC and Big 12 decide that safety in numbers and a 28 team ACCN with nationwide reach will help them better-prepare for the future and remain competitive with the P2. The P2 grab 4-6 schools from the ACC and Big 12, plus ND (non FB), leading to something like this:

SEC 16 + FSU, Clemson, UNC, VT
B1G 18 + Miami, ASU, and ND (non FB)

Big ACC 28, ACCN fully unleashed and keeps paying out for a very long time

ESPN wins by keeping most of the ACC in house, strengthening the ACCN, and extending the Big 12 schools 5 more years. Every single ACC school wins. Every single Big 12 school gets an immediate raise and even greater certainty of long term relevance. The SEC wins by getting 4 of our top 5 targets, while the B1G gets Miami and 5/9 of ND. Fox would need to get paid into the full Big ACC contract, but that’s just a detail that could be worked out with every other stakeholder satisfied.

That’s a mammoth undertaking though, right? It will take up years to sort out all the details, even if everyone ends up on the same page.

"Like rumors and blog conspiracies, so are the survivor claims of the ACC!" Be sure to tune in next week for ESPN's longest contracted Soap Opera. Will the Mag 7 blow, where would Louisville go, would Wake be out of the show, would the former Big East schools even know? Stay tuned! Same time, same East Coast Channel! Each week more Whine and Sleaze from the Wine and Cheese, classy lasses, bogus classes, pride galore, until behind the doors, but always entertaining!

Wow, you sound defeated

Hardly. Just waiting on the Big One and it's coming.

To which "Big One" are you referring?

There are many that have been waiting for the "Big One" when California drops off into the Pacific. And they have been waiting for a very long time!

(12-20-2023 02:57 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 02:31 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  The folks at Florida State had better understand that it was ESPN that facilitated the "snub".
It was a "snub" against the FSU "brand" and not against the ACC.
What that means is that Florida State is not worth as much to the broadcast world as FSU thought it was.

NOBODY is worth so much that they could just happily skip away from the ACC right now without repercussions. It’s no insult to FSU that they couldn’t do, alone, what OUT couldn’t do together. They need allies to join them and buy in from all stakeholders: the ACC office, nearly all or all ACC Presidents, ESPN, Sankey, and the SEC Presudents. The Dallas Cowboys couldn’t sort out this mess, at least not in 5 months. Let’s give FSU a year or 2 of behind the scenes coalition-building and see what they can come up with, and let’s see if they pick up some allies (perhaps from unexpected directions).

Example: Louisville and NC State realize that their Athletic future is in jeopardy, as do Northwestern, TCU, CU, Vanderbilt, and Purdue. They all decide that it’s in their best interest to move from 4 to 3 conferences sooner rather than later. ESPN and Fox see an opportunity to add a few years to their current P4 contracts, maybe to get them all ending around 2036, so they also buy in. The soon to be left behind (again) schools from the ACC and Big 12 decide that safety in numbers and a 28 team ACCN with nationwide reach will help them better-prepare for the future and remain competitive with the P2. The P2 grab 4-6 schools from the ACC and Big 12, plus ND (non FB), leading to something like this:

SEC 16 + FSU, Clemson, UNC, VT
B1G 18 + Miami, ASU, and ND (non FB)

Big ACC 28, ACCN fully unleashed and keeps paying out for a very long time

ESPN wins by keeping most of the ACC in house, strengthening the ACCN, and extending the Big 12 schools 5 more years. Every single ACC school wins. Every single Big 12 school gets an immediate raise and even greater certainty of long term relevance. The SEC wins by getting 4 of our top 5 targets, while the B1G gets Miami and 5/9 of ND. Fox would need to get paid into the full Big ACC contract, but that’s just a detail that could be worked out with every other stakeholder satisfied.

That’s a mammoth undertaking though, right? It will take up years to sort out all the details, even if everyone ends up on the same page.

I think your SEC additions are right. I believe the B1G would take Miami but with Virginia. Notre Dame remains ACC/Independent.

If the ACC (now at 11/12) grows to 20/21 to keep up with the B1G and SEC (and create a geographical bridge) and its able to target XII schools, I'd see the ACC target: Arizona, Arizona St, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma St, Utah, and West Virginia. I could see Houston, South Florida, and TCU maybe getting in over other schools on the list.

The remaining 7 XII schools (Baylor, BYU, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas St, TCU, Texas Tech) add Memphis, Oregon St, San Diego St, Tulane, and Washington St for 12.

You think that the ACC could their top 6 then backfill from the Big 12?

(12-20-2023 04:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 03:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 02:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 02:31 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  The folks at Florida State had better understand that it was ESPN that facilitated the "snub".
It was a "snub" against the FSU "brand" and not against the ACC.
What that means is that Florida State is not worth as much to the broadcast world as FSU thought it was.

NOBODY is worth so much that they could just happily skip away from the ACC right now without repercussions. It’s no insult to FSU that they couldn’t do, alone, what OUT couldn’t do together. They need allies to join them and buy in from all stakeholders: the ACC office, nearly all or all ACC Presidents, ESPN, Sankey, and the SEC Presudents. The Dallas Cowboys couldn’t sort out this mess, at least not in 5 months. Let’s give FSU a year or 2 of behind the scenes coalition-building and see what they can come up with, and let’s see if they pick up some allies (perhaps from unexpected directions).

Example: Louisville and NC State realize that their Athletic future is in jeopardy, as do Northwestern, TCU, CU, Vanderbilt, and Purdue. They all decide that it’s in their best interest to move from 4 to 3 conferences sooner rather than later. ESPN and Fox see an opportunity to add a few years to their current P4 contracts, maybe to get them all ending around 2036, so they also buy in. The soon to be left behind (again) schools from the ACC and Big 12 decide that safety in numbers and a 28 team ACCN with nationwide reach will help them better-prepare for the future and remain competitive with the P2. The P2 grab 4-6 schools from the ACC and Big 12, plus ND (non FB), leading to something like this:

SEC 16 + FSU, Clemson, UNC, VT
B1G 18 + Miami, ASU, and ND (non FB)

Big ACC 28, ACCN fully unleashed and keeps paying out for a very long time

ESPN wins by keeping most of the ACC in house, strengthening the ACCN, and extending the Big 12 schools 5 more years. Every single ACC school wins. Every single Big 12 school gets an immediate raise and even greater certainty of long term relevance. The SEC wins by getting 4 of our top 5 targets, while the B1G gets Miami and 5/9 of ND. Fox would need to get paid into the full Big ACC contract, but that’s just a detail that could be worked out with every other stakeholder satisfied.

That’s a mammoth undertaking though, right? It will take up years to sort out all the details, even if everyone ends up on the same page.

"Like rumors and blog conspiracies, so are the survivor claims of the ACC!" Be sure to tune in next week for ESPN's longest contracted Soap Opera. Will the Mag 7 blow, where would Louisville go, would Wake be out of the show, would the former Big East schools even know? Stay tuned! Same time, same East Coast Channel! Each week more Whine and Sleaze from the Wine and Cheese, classy lasses, bogus classes, pride galore, until behind the doors, but always entertaining!

Wow, you sound defeated

Hardly. Just waiting on the Big One and it's coming.

I wonder what it’s worth to ESPN to milk this drama for all it’s worth? At some level, the talking heads just want constant chaos and drama bc that boosts ratings. Maybe Magnus “accidentally” leaves the door open so Scott Van Pelt can hear him talking to FSU and/or the SEC office…

(12-20-2023 06:07 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 04:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 03:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 02:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 02:31 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  NOBODY is worth so much that they could just happily skip away from the ACC right now without repercussions. It’s no insult to FSU that they couldn’t do, alone, what OUT couldn’t do together. They need allies to join them and buy in from all stakeholders: the ACC office, nearly all or all ACC Presidents, ESPN, Sankey, and the SEC Presudents. The Dallas Cowboys couldn’t sort out this mess, at least not in 5 months. Let’s give FSU a year or 2 of behind the scenes coalition-building and see what they can come up with, and let’s see if they pick up some allies (perhaps from unexpected directions).

Example: Louisville and NC State realize that their Athletic future is in jeopardy, as do Northwestern, TCU, CU, Vanderbilt, and Purdue. They all decide that it’s in their best interest to move from 4 to 3 conferences sooner rather than later. ESPN and Fox see an opportunity to add a few years to their current P4 contracts, maybe to get them all ending around 2036, so they also buy in. The soon to be left behind (again) schools from the ACC and Big 12 decide that safety in numbers and a 28 team ACCN with nationwide reach will help them better-prepare for the future and remain competitive with the P2. The P2 grab 4-6 schools from the ACC and Big 12, plus ND (non FB), leading to something like this:

SEC 16 + FSU, Clemson, UNC, VT
B1G 18 + Miami, ASU, and ND (non FB)

Big ACC 28, ACCN fully unleashed and keeps paying out for a very long time

ESPN wins by keeping most of the ACC in house, strengthening the ACCN, and extending the Big 12 schools 5 more years. Every single ACC school wins. Every single Big 12 school gets an immediate raise and even greater certainty of long term relevance. The SEC wins by getting 4 of our top 5 targets, while the B1G gets Miami and 5/9 of ND. Fox would need to get paid into the full Big ACC contract, but that’s just a detail that could be worked out with every other stakeholder satisfied.

That’s a mammoth undertaking though, right? It will take up years to sort out all the details, even if everyone ends up on the same page.

"Like rumors and blog conspiracies, so are the survivor claims of the ACC!" Be sure to tune in next week for ESPN's longest contracted Soap Opera. Will the Mag 7 blow, where would Louisville go, would Wake be out of the show, would the former Big East schools even know? Stay tuned! Same time, same East Coast Channel! Each week more Whine and Sleaze from the Wine and Cheese, classy lasses, bogus classes, pride galore, until behind the doors, but always entertaining!

Wow, you sound defeated

Hardly. Just waiting on the Big One and it's coming.

I wonder what it’s worth to ESPN to milk this drama for all it’s worth? At some level, the talking heads just want constant chaos and drama bc that boosts ratings. Maybe Magnus “accidentally” leaves the door open so Scott Van Pelt can hear him talking to FSU and/or the SEC office…

Maybe. But what I think they are waiting on now is the hard numbers from the completion of the law cases. How much in damages will each institution have to pay. Will the NCAA survive the damages which will be in the billions. They have endowments but only about 2 billion dollars worth of them. They could be facing sums a lot larger than that. Is there an opt in or opt out breakaway? If so, who opts out. Several opt outs in a single conference could open windows in the GORs or require contracts be renegotiated and/or rewritten which means windows in which schools could leave. Why kick cuss and discuss to work out a solution if one may be coming as the natural consequence of the court rulings? It's a lot cheaper to wait to find out all of these factors than it is to jump to a resolution which may not be needed. What if Boston College and Wake Forest were a hard no on pay for play? What if Cal, Stanford, Virginia, Duke and UNC, possibly with Pitt and Syracuse simply opted to concentrate on basketball and opt to play football, if they play football, at a less costly tier? It's cheap and easy to say, "Oh all of the P5's will stay" when you don't know the cost. Sure that will be the sentiment now. But if a few hundred million per school is expected in damages, and you have a large overhead increase to institute pay for play, I promise you there will be some private universities and some smaller state universities which are going to have to make some hard calls.

When we know for sure how many opt to stay in at the highest tier, then we will know how the new conferences need to be shaped, and who it is that fits the respective requirements of the Big 10 and SEC which remain available. There is not going to be one mindset on big time college sports which is inclusive of football costs. Look at the revenue totals now and those making more than 90 million gross revenue. That will likely be the new Mendoza line for participation, and note, it could be higher depending upon those damages which will deplete existing funds.

This year’s snub demonstrated 2 things:

ESPN is always going to favor the SEC over the ACC

The ACC brass won’t lift a finger to advocate for Florida St (and likely Clemson or anyone else perceived as disloyal)

ESPN had a chance this year, under a lame duck playoff system, to take a stance that would run contrary to the deeply held belief by many that ESPN has a blatant pro-SEC bias. All they had to do was let things run its course and accept that this was a down year for the SEC and their champ was the 5th best team in the nation. Instead, they meddled and heaped another log on the fire for those who find the playoff system rigged and not a true meritocracy.

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In regards to Florida St’s conference affiliation, the parties involved need to sit down together and broker a common sense deal to let Florida St move on without a bunch of insane penalties.