(12-18-2023 07:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Actually, the committee still uses RPI as well, but NET has the most sway.

Complete nonsense.

The NCAA Tournament committee will select and seed teams using a new ranking system after killing the RPI

Quote:The RPI is officially dead in NCAA men's basketball.

NCAA eliminates RPI, develops new metric for tournament selection

Quote:The NCAA announced on Wednesday that they have eliminated the RPI as the primary sorting tool to be used during the NCAA tournament selection process.

College basketball's NET rankings, explained

Quote:The 2023-24 men's basketball season marks the sixth season of the NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET) rankings, which replaced the RPI prior to the 2018-19 season as the primary sorting tool for evaluating teams.

(12-18-2023 07:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 06:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 09:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 07:46 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The Tiger's NET improved by six spots to #34. Clemson remains the highest rated ACC NET school (#15) with the second highest AAC NET school (Virginia at #23) coming to town on Tuesday.

The issue with NET is that, unlike the old RPI, it rewards you for blowing out cupcakes, rather than beating highly ranked teams by close scores.

Example:

Team 1 quads. 0-1. 2-0. 2-0 5-0. Ranked 11
Team 2 quads. 2-2. 4-0. O-0 2-0 Ranked 34

Team 1. Indiana State
Team 2. Memphis

In the RPI, we are currently ranked #7.

I understand, but I present NET only because it "serve(s) as the primary sorting tool for Division I men's basketball, (and) they play an important role in establishing a team's resume. " RPI is dead or at least moribund because NET "replaced the RPI prior to the 2018-19 season".

Actually, the committee still uses RPI as well, but NET has the most sway.

Btw, I was supporting what you have been saying, not questioning it, lol.

I guess Committee members can still consult RPI if they wish, but “there are six metrics most widely used by analysts in order to rank teams in the NCAA tournament. These include the NET, the KPI, the SOR, the BPI, the KPOM and the SAG.” https://blanknews.com/breaking-down-the-...the%20SAG. The Athletic mentions the same metrics.

Unlike the other metrics, I do not think RPI is listed on the team sheets, but my memory may be faulty.

(12-18-2023 08:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 06:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 09:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 07:46 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The Tiger's NET improved by six spots to #34. Clemson remains the highest rated ACC NET school (#15) with the second highest AAC NET school (Virginia at #23) coming to town on Tuesday.

The issue with NET is that, unlike the old RPI, it rewards you for blowing out cupcakes, rather than beating highly ranked teams by close scores.

Example:

Team 1 quads. 0-1. 2-0. 2-0 5-0. Ranked 11
Team 2 quads. 2-2. 4-0. O-0 2-0 Ranked 34

Team 1. Indiana State
Team 2. Memphis

In the RPI, we are currently ranked #7.

I understand, but I present NET only because it "serve(s) as the primary sorting tool for Division I men's basketball, (and) they play an important role in establishing a team's resume. " RPI is dead or at least moribund because NET "replaced the RPI prior to the 2018-19 season".

Actually, the committee still uses RPI as well, but NET has the most sway.

Btw, I was supporting what you have been saying, not questioning it, lol.

I guess Committee members can still consult RPI if they wish, but “there are six metrics most widely used by analysts in order to rank teams in the NCAA tournament. These include the NET, the KPI, the SOR, the BPI, the KPOM and the SAG.” https://blanknews.com/breaking-down-the-...the%20SAG. The Athletic mentions the same metrics.

Unlike the other metrics, I do not think RPI is listed on the team sheets, but my memory may be faulty.

My understanding is they still have access to it if they want it. It's not like they don't calculate it any more. I see it every day.

(12-18-2023 07:35 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Actually, the committee still uses RPI as well, but NET has the most sway.

Complete nonsense.

The NCAA Tournament committee will select and seed teams using a new ranking system after killing the RPI

Quote:The RPI is officially dead in NCAA men's basketball.

NCAA eliminates RPI, develops new metric for tournament selection

Quote:The NCAA announced on Wednesday that they have eliminated the RPI as the primary sorting tool to be used during the NCAA tournament selection process.

College basketball's NET rankings, explained

Quote:The 2023-24 men's basketball season marks the sixth season of the NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET) rankings, which replaced the RPI prior to the 2018-19 season as the primary sorting tool for evaluating teams.

This is the phrase that I read to mean the NET became the primary sorting tool, i.e. the RPI could still be referenced, it just was no longer the main tool, of which there are still several others, with the NET being primary, as I said. And the RPI is not one.

However, I also recall back when the NET first took over, hearing an interview with the committee chair who was asked specifically about the RPI, and I'm pretty sure his answer was that it was still available to committee members if they so chose to reference it.

And of course, the RPI is still calculated today, so there is no reason why they couldn't look at it if they wanted. They just can't base their final decision and sorting on it primarily. That's the NET.

But they obviously did not kill the calculation, and nowhere does it say the RPI is banned from the committee's eyes, afaik.

And maybe my memory is faulty, and maybe nobody looks at it at all. Fine, I could be wrong. But how would anybody know that for sure? If they didn't still calculate it, then sure. But they do, so it's being done for some purpose. What else?

At any rate, nobody but the usual suspect is getting all hot and bothered about it.

(12-18-2023 08:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 08:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 06:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 09:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The issue with NET is that, unlike the old RPI, it rewards you for blowing out cupcakes, rather than beating highly ranked teams by close scores.

Example:

Team 1 quads. 0-1. 2-0. 2-0 5-0. Ranked 11
Team 2 quads. 2-2. 4-0. O-0 2-0 Ranked 34

Team 1. Indiana State
Team 2. Memphis

In the RPI, we are currently ranked #7.

I understand, but I present NET only because it "serve(s) as the primary sorting tool for Division I men's basketball, (and) they play an important role in establishing a team's resume. " RPI is dead or at least moribund because NET "replaced the RPI prior to the 2018-19 season".

Actually, the committee still uses RPI as well, but NET has the most sway.

Btw, I was supporting what you have been saying, not questioning it, lol.

I guess Committee members can still consult RPI if they wish, but “there are six metrics most widely used by analysts in order to rank teams in the NCAA tournament. These include the NET, the KPI, the SOR, the BPI, the KPOM and the SAG.” https://blanknews.com/breaking-down-the-...the%20SAG. The Athletic mentions the same metrics.

Unlike the other metrics, I do not think RPI is listed on the team sheets, but my memory may be faulty.

My understanding is they still have access to it if they want it. It's not like they don't calculate it any more. I see it every day.

The Selection process is clocked in secrecy like the Manhattan Project. They could heed astrologers for all I know.

(12-18-2023 08:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:35 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

Quote:The 2023-24 men's basketball season marks the sixth season of the NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET) rankings, which replaced the RPI prior to the 2018-19 season as the primary sorting tool for evaluating teams.

This is the phrase that I read to mean the NET became the primary sorting tool, i.e. the RPI could still be referenced, it just was no longer the main tool, of which there are still several others, with the NET being primary, as I said. And the RPI is not one.

That's why the first link I supplied, published by CBS, specifically says the RPI is officially dead?

(12-18-2023 08:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  But they obviously did not kill the calculation, and nowhere does it say the RPI is banned from the committee's eyes, afaik.

Link? How about I share another link? The calculation was published so it's available for people to run it if they choose. Notice that the NCAA doesn't even provide an RPI ranking list on their site anymore? What third parties do have nothing to do with the NCAA, and the existence of third-party sites publishing their own RPI-based lists does not mean the NCAA uses it for selection which is the point.

Rating Percentage Index

Quote:This system was in use from 1981 through 2018 to aid in the selecting and seeding of teams appearing in the NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament as well as in the women's tournament from its inception in 1982 through 2020.

Quote:During the 2018 offseason, the NCAA announced that the RPI would no longer be used in the selection process for the Division I men's basketball tournament. Effective immediately, it was replaced with the NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET).

(12-18-2023 08:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  At any rate, nobody but the usual suspect is getting all hot and bothered about it.

Don't even try to go there. Few on this board have the hair trigger snark and defense mechanism that you and your buddies employ. Next time you want to play expert, at least try to be correct.

(12-18-2023 09:36 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 08:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:35 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

Quote:The 2023-24 men's basketball season marks the sixth season of the NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET) rankings, which replaced the RPI prior to the 2018-19 season as the primary sorting tool for evaluating teams.

This is the phrase that I read to mean the NET became the primary sorting tool, i.e. the RPI could still be referenced, it just was no longer the main tool, of which there are still several others, with the NET being primary, as I said. And the RPI is not one.

That's why the first link I supplied, published by CBS, specifically says the RPI is officially dead?

(12-18-2023 08:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  But they obviously did not kill the calculation, and nowhere does it say the RPI is banned from the committee's eyes, afaik.

Link? How about I share another link? The calculation was published so it's available for people to run it if they choose. Notice that the NCAA doesn't even provide an RPI ranking list on their site anymore? What third parties do have nothing to do with the NCAA, and the existence of third-party sites publishing their own RPI-based lists does not mean the NCAA uses it for selection which is the point.

Rating Percentage Index

Quote:This system was in use from 1981 through 2018 to aid in the selecting and seeding of teams appearing in the NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament as well as in the women's tournament from its inception in 1982 through 2020.

Quote:During the 2018 offseason, the NCAA announced that the RPI would no longer be used in the selection process for the Division I men's basketball tournament. Effective immediately, it was replaced with the NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET).

(12-18-2023 08:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  At any rate, nobody but the usual suspect is getting all hot and bothered about it.

Don't even try to go there. Few on this board have the hair trigger snark and defense mechanism that you and your buddies employ. Next time you want to play expert, at least try to be correct.

I have no idea what this is even about, but I know whose side I'm on.

(12-18-2023 09:36 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 08:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 07:35 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

Quote:The 2023-24 men's basketball season marks the sixth season of the NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET) rankings, which replaced the RPI prior to the 2018-19 season as the primary sorting tool for evaluating teams.

This is the phrase that I read to mean the NET became the primary sorting tool, i.e. the RPI could still be referenced, it just was no longer the main tool, of which there are still several others, with the NET being primary, as I said. And the RPI is not one.

That's why the first link I supplied, published by CBS, specifically says the RPI is officially dead?

(12-18-2023 08:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  But they obviously did not kill the calculation, and nowhere does it say the RPI is banned from the committee's eyes, afaik.

Link? How about I share another link? The calculation was published so it's available for people to run it if they choose. Notice that the NCAA doesn't even provide an RPI ranking list on their site anymore? What third parties do have nothing to do with the NCAA, and the existence of third-party sites publishing their own RPI-based lists does not mean the NCAA uses it for selection which is the point.

Rating Percentage Index

Quote:This system was in use from 1981 through 2018 to aid in the selecting and seeding of teams appearing in the NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament as well as in the women's tournament from its inception in 1982 through 2020.

Quote:During the 2018 offseason, the NCAA announced that the RPI would no longer be used in the selection process for the Division I men's basketball tournament. Effective immediately, it was replaced with the NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET).

(12-18-2023 08:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  At any rate, nobody but the usual suspect is getting all hot and bothered about it.

Don't even try to go there. Few on this board have the hair trigger snark and defense mechanism that you and your buddies employ. Next time you want to play expert, at least try to be correct.

I can go wherever I like, thanks. I try to be polite to you, and it doesn't work. So you get what you give out.

I explained exactly what I think, and nothing you said changed my mind, or anybody else's. I never said NET wasn't the main evaluation tool. I simply said they still calculate RPI, and I'm pretty sure it's available to anyone who wants to look at it. In fact, I recall the chairman saying that, long ago.

Could I be wrong? Sure. Who cares?

Not sure why that makes you crazy, other than you try to parse what everybody posts to show how smart you are.

(12-18-2023 11:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I try to be polite to you, and it doesn't work. So you get what you give out.

You're rarely polite, outside of banter with your cronies. As soon as anyone disagrees with you, the snark and bristling defensiveness comes out in full force.

(12-18-2023 11:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I explained exactly what I think, and nothing you said changed my mind, or anybody else's.

Doesn't matter what you believe. They don't use RPI and no amount of obtuse posturing will change that.

(12-18-2023 11:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I simply said they still calculate RPI, and I'm pretty sure it's available to anyone who wants to look at it. In fact, I recall the chairman saying that, long ago.

No, they don't. They don't even publish it on their official website. Odd that they publish the NET, AP Top 25, Coach's poll, and Top 16 Committee ranking; but they don't publish the RPI anywhere.

(12-18-2023 11:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Could I be wrong? Sure. Who cares?

You are wrong. It really is that simple. Strange for you to keep coming back to plead your case when you claim to not care.

(12-18-2023 11:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Not sure why that makes you crazy, other than you try to parse what everybody posts to show how smart you are.

Makes me crazy? You lack so much self-awareness and ability to read other people that it's comical. Thanks for the guffaws.