It's a corrupted, unrecognizable version of what it once was.

The P2 conferences have a few good/great teams (e.g. Bama, LSU, UGa, OSU, Michigan). The rest are just cashing paychecks and riding coattails. USCjr has been a bottom feeder since they joined the SEC in 1992. And, oh, by the way, being in the SEC hasn't helped them beat Clemson - the Tigers have a significant lead in that series since 1992 and since the beginning of time. That's just one example.

It's asinine that perennially irrelevant schools like Rutgers, Maryland, Northwestern, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, USCjr, Arkansas, Kentucky, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska are included in the P2 while programs who can and have competed nationally (FSU, Clemson) are left to wither and die. It's outrageous and nonsensical.

The TV networks have forced this on us, but the simple fact is that we don't have to give them any money. And I won't. ESPN will not be getting another penny from me. I'm done. A pox on their houses. May they all go bankrupt.

(12-04-2023 03:50 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  It's a corrupted, unrecognizable version of what it once was.

The P2 conferences have a few good/great teams (e.g. Bama, LSU, UGa, OSU, Michigan). The rest are just cashing paychecks and riding coattails. USCjr has been a bottom feeder since they joined the SEC in 1992. And, oh, by the way, being in the SEC hasn't helped them beat Clemson - the Tigers have a significant lead in that series since 1992 and since the beginning of time. That's just one example.

I'm sorry you don't find college football enjoyable any more, but as an actual Gamecock fan I do not share your pessimism about what being in the SEC has done for us. And while the all-time series with Clemson isn't moving in our favor, let's not forget that you've just recently ended the most successful decade in Clemson football history. From 1992 when we joined the SEC through 2013, we were 10-12 vs. Clemson and achieved our longest ever winning streak in the series, 5, from 2009-13. From 2014 to now we're 1-8, which almost certainly would have been 1-9 if not for Covid scrapping the 2020 game. You've also won 2 national titles and played for 6 of them during those years.

Joining the SEC has been nothing but good for Gamecock football. In 32 years we've gone from a school that had never won a bowl game to having won 10 of them. And for comparing old ACC foes, our records as an SEC member vs. North Carolina (4-2) and NC State (3-1) may speak more to our improvement as a program than the one against an opponent (Clemson) who has been at their all-time high point during a third of our SEC years.

Regardless of feelings.

It has shown itself to be pro boxing level corrupt now. No we can all be honest and not pretend anymore. no more faking the heartwarming BS that ESPN tries to peddle while being corrupt behind the scenes.

Lots of fakeness now out in the open. Who is your partner ...who isn't?

You know things are bad when an Act of Congress seems like the best hope.

Don't blame anyone for feeling this way, and maybe it's a good thing this happened because it shows that we need hard rules for playoff qualification. Imagine if the ACC decided to put NCSU in the ACCCG because they thought UL did not look so good the week before while NCSU impressed against UNC. This is exactly what the playoff committee did.

(12-04-2023 04:55 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Don't blame anyone for feeling this way, and maybe it's a good thing this happened because it shows that we need hard rules for playoff qualification. Imagine if the ACC decided to put NCSU in the ACCCG because they thought UL did not look so good the week before while NCSU impressed against UNC. This is exactly what the playoff committee did.

It's a shame we're opening the season in Dublin. I feel like a season kickoff game against NC State is exactly what every red blooded FSU fan wants and needs.

(12-04-2023 05:04 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 04:55 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Don't blame anyone for feeling this way, and maybe it's a good thing this happened because it shows that we need hard rules for playoff qualification. Imagine if the ACC decided to put NCSU in the ACCCG because they thought UL did not look so good the week before while NCSU impressed against UNC. This is exactly what the playoff committee did.

It's a shame we're opening the season in Dublin. I feel like a season kickoff game against NC State is exactly what every red blooded FSU fan wants and needs.

All of our tackling dummies will have Boo's smug face on it.

(12-04-2023 04:22 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 03:50 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  It's a corrupted, unrecognizable version of what it once was.

The P2 conferences have a few good/great teams (e.g. Bama, LSU, UGa, OSU, Michigan). The rest are just cashing paychecks and riding coattails. USCjr has been a bottom feeder since they joined the SEC in 1992. And, oh, by the way, being in the SEC hasn't helped them beat Clemson - the Tigers have a significant lead in that series since 1992 and since the beginning of time. That's just one example.

...Joining the SEC has been nothing but good for Gamecock football. In 32 years we've gone from a school that had never won a bowl game to having won 10 of them. And for comparing old ACC foes, our records as an SEC member vs. North Carolina (4-2) and NC State (3-1) may speak more to our improvement as a program than the one against an opponent (Clemson) who has been at their all-time high point during a third of our SEC years.

No one ever questioned whether being in the SEC has been good for the Gamecocks. The question is how has that benefitted the SEC and/or college football in general. The answer: it hasn't. Having the SEC and B1G make so much more TV money than everyone else has only marginalized and regionalized the audience, too. Classic case of killing the chicken goose that lays the golden eggs.

(12-04-2023 04:22 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 03:50 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  It's a corrupted, unrecognizable version of what it once was.

The P2 conferences have a few good/great teams (e.g. Bama, LSU, UGa, OSU, Michigan). The rest are just cashing paychecks and riding coattails. USCjr has been a bottom feeder since they joined the SEC in 1992. And, oh, by the way, being in the SEC hasn't helped them beat Clemson - the Tigers have a significant lead in that series since 1992 and since the beginning of time. That's just one example.

I'm sorry you don't find college football enjoyable any more, but as an actual Gamecock fan I do not share your pessimism about what being in the SEC has done for us. And while the all-time series with Clemson isn't moving in our favor, let's not forget that you've just recently ended the most successful decade in Clemson football history. From 1992 when we joined the SEC through 2013, we were 10-12 vs. Clemson and achieved our longest ever winning streak in the series, 5, from 2009-13. From 2014 to now we're 1-8, which almost certainly would have been 1-9 if not for Covid scrapping the 2020 game. You've also won 2 national titles and played for 6 of them during those years.

Joining the SEC has been nothing but good for Gamecock football. In 32 years we've gone from a school that had never won a bowl game to having won 10 of them. And for comparing old ACC foes, our records as an SEC member vs. North Carolina (4-2) and NC State (3-1) may speak more to our improvement as a program than the one against an opponent (Clemson) who has been at their all-time high point during a third of our SEC years.

The chickens had a heckuva run under Spurrier, but I stand by the assertion that most SEC schools are merely riding the coattails of Bama, LSU, and UGa. I remember an Ole Miss fan crowing about how Cincinnati was going to find out what the SEC is all about when they played Bama in the CFP. I didn't bother to ask the knuckledragger when Ole Miss was going to show someone what the SEC was all about (they went on to lose their bowl game to Baylor). Ole Miss will never sniff a national championship. Ever. Neither will Mississippi State, Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas, or USC. Those schools slobber all over themselves when Bama/UGa/LSU wins it, as if they deserve respect and admiration for being the sacrificial lamb. The middle of the pack isn't anything special, yet they get the same paycheck while the non-P2s starve.

The B1G is woefully top-heavy and overrated in both FB and BB.

At least someone acknowledged the problem is ESPN. It gets old watching people wrongly blame the NCAA, schools, Presidents, Conferences, anybody but the ones who finance, and are ultimately the ones responsible for, what the sport has become.

But look - the ACC, and the P5 as a whole, are absolutely responsible for FSU being left out. They agreed to a FOUR team playoff with FIVE major conferences. *DUH*

As a result, it was only a matter of time until an undefeated P5 conference got left out. It just so happens to be the ACC and FSU this time.

I have sympathy for the FSU players. I don't have sympathy for any conference who agreed to this stupid solution in the first place.

(12-04-2023 05:07 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 05:04 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 04:55 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Don't blame anyone for feeling this way, and maybe it's a good thing this happened because it shows that we need hard rules for playoff qualification. Imagine if the ACC decided to put NCSU in the ACCCG because they thought UL did not look so good the week before while NCSU impressed against UNC. This is exactly what the playoff committee did.

It's a shame we're opening the season in Dublin. I feel like a season kickoff game against NC State is exactly what every red blooded FSU fan wants and needs.

All of our tackling dummies will have Boo's smug face on it.

Who did Corrigan vote for to be in the CFP?

(12-09-2023 09:54 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 05:07 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 05:04 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 04:55 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Don't blame anyone for feeling this way, and maybe it's a good thing this happened because it shows that we need hard rules for playoff qualification. Imagine if the ACC decided to put NCSU in the ACCCG because they thought UL did not look so good the week before while NCSU impressed against UNC. This is exactly what the playoff committee did.

It's a shame we're opening the season in Dublin. I feel like a season kickoff game against NC State is exactly what every red blooded FSU fan wants and needs.

All of our tackling dummies will have Boo's smug face on it.

Who did Corrigan vote for to be in the CFP?

The rumor - Michigan, Oregon, FSU, Bama

If you proceed with undefeated conference champions Michigan, Oregon, and FSU go in. Then you look at the 4th spot. Texas has a win over Bama and loss under OU. Bama has a win over Georgia, LSU, and a loss only to Texas.

The timing of the B12 Championship hurt FSU and I think the real battle over the fouth spot was between Texas and FSU, not FSU and Bama.

(12-09-2023 12:55 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 09:54 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 05:07 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 05:04 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 04:55 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Don't blame anyone for feeling this way, and maybe it's a good thing this happened because it shows that we need hard rules for playoff qualification. Imagine if the ACC decided to put NCSU in the ACCCG because they thought UL did not look so good the week before while NCSU impressed against UNC. This is exactly what the playoff committee did.

It's a shame we're opening the season in Dublin. I feel like a season kickoff game against NC State is exactly what every red blooded FSU fan wants and needs.

All of our tackling dummies will have Boo's smug face on it.

Who did Corrigan vote for to be in the CFP?

The rumor - Michigan, Oregon, FSU, Bama

If you proceed with undefeated conference champions Michigan, Oregon, and FSU go in. Then you look at the 4th spot. Texas has a win over Bama and loss under OU. Bama has a win over Georgia, LSU, and a loss only to Texas.

The timing of the B12 Championship hurt FSU and I think the real battle over the fouth spot was between Texas and FSU, not FSU and Bama.

I assume you meant Washington instead of Oregon?

I watched so little CFB this year that it's almost unbelievable to me. You're all absolutely right - it's barely recognizable to what it once was. I just could care less. I have better things to do with my Saturday.

(12-10-2023 12:58 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  I watched so little CFB this year that it's almost unbelievable to me. You're all absolutely right - it's barely recognizable to what it once was. I just could care less. I have better things to do with my Saturday.

I'm not far behind, tbh. Still hopeful the powers that be will realize what they are doing to the sport and reverse course - but also realistic. They want to build NFL light - at which point I'll just watch the NFL.

(12-10-2023 05:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-10-2023 12:58 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  I watched so little CFB this year that it's almost unbelievable to me. You're all absolutely right - it's barely recognizable to what it once was. I just could care less. I have better things to do with my Saturday.

I'm not far behind, tbh. Still hopeful the powers that be will realize what they are doing to the sport and reverse course - but also realistic. They want to build NFL light - at which point I'll just watch the NFL.

I'm pretty much feeling the same way. Both of my teams will never have a realistic shot to make the CFP for various reasons. One, UVA, is so inept with their football program that I just don't see them being consistently good any time in the near future. The other, Western Kentucky, is never going to be in the top tier conferences and will be a school that is scheduled for bodybag games by those bigger schools and will always be in a bottom of the barrel bowl game if they make it.

(12-04-2023 03:50 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  It's a corrupted, unrecognizable version of what it once was.
....

Narrator: 'And at day's end, the pro game turned out to be the purest form of the sport.'

Plot twist!

(12-12-2023 10:41 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 03:50 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  It's a corrupted, unrecognizable version of what it once was.
....

Narrator: 'And at day's end, the pro game turned out to be the purest form of the sport.'

Plot twist!

(12-12-2023 10:41 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 03:50 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  It's a corrupted, unrecognizable version of what it once was.
....

Narrator: 'And at day's end, the pro game turned out to be the purest form of the sport.'

Plot twist!

accurate.