(12-03-2023 08:52 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:28 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 04:23 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 11:37 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 02:04 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  he is a smart guy and knows how the game is played

I think part of the reason he turned down Tech is because they were pushing out a guy that was 5-3 at the time (and the team finished 7-6 and was close to beating Baylor after the coach was let go) and that guy was trying to thoroughly clean up the last of the kliff disaster and the idiotic "air raid" and "pirate mike" stupidity

I am not saying that Matt Wells was a great coach we clearly do not know from his time at Tech, but the Tech program was a disaster after kliff, it still had a ton of baggage with idiot "fans" that worship mike and his stupidity and it was another example of a program that lets idiot fans and idiot donors get in and pull the trigger without clear results and you get more coaching churn that sets you back

people would argue that McGuire went 8-5 the next year, but that is only a 1 game improvement....they were not competitive at all against NCState, Oklahoma was a disaster, Texas was not good, and they lost to a 6-7 Baylor.....and of course this year they are 6-6 and everyone wants the OC fired yesterday (or 3 months ago for that matter)

they also had both Texas and OU at home last year and that makes a huge difference

so really they pushed out Wells and have ended up with a guy that is just more "rah rah my team my players" and that will do better coach speak....he is recruiting better, but that has not yet translated to meaningful amounts of more wins and his comments about "the Big 12 running through Lubbock" sank like a lead balloon

Traylor is not looking to move up for the sake of job jumping and moving up a little bit he will ride out things where he has a long leash until the right job comes open and he thinks that he can get time there to build or he can have immediate success and then make huge money at a place where it is win or out in 2.5 to 3 years

he is not the only coach recently that has turned down the chance to get 3 years to turn a dumpster fire with a fractured fan base, coaching churn, unrealistic expectations in too short of a time frame, and demands to do things the way some past guy did them or to appease certain people no matter what.....Tennessee, Texas, aggy, Miami, and a lot of other places that are considered "big time" have had those issues and issues attracting the "can't miss" guy (unless you guarantee then $100 million no matter what).....it is not unexpected that a place that thinks taking $48 million a year from the students to run athletics puts them on the same level would have issues finding a guy

uH has all those issues and more.....Traylor might go there, but it would be a dumb move on his part and it will probably kill his career

and UTSA has some tightness with funds, but they have plenty to compete with in the AAC and he can wait out another year or two to find the right place to move to

So how does it feel to be completely wrong? I guess you think Fritz is an idiot now?


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how was I 100% wrong when Traylor did not end up at uH

and I think this is not a great move for Fritz. but it will be a great paycheck for him to go into retirement with provided it was over $5 million per season and guaranteed for 6 seasons

and it took him 6 years to build up Tulane and he did not exactly do anything that would compare to the expectations of uH fans at anywhere else besides Sam Houston in D1-AA

is unless uH is looking at a 5 or 6 year rebuild or they are content with some 7 and 8 win seasons with an occasional 9 win season mixed in we do not know how this hire will work out for uH

that does not change the fact that Traylor did not end up there and he will eventually land somewhere much better

So you’re on record saying Traylor is a better coach than Fritz?

I am on record as saying that I said before that Traylor is younger by a significant amount, he has much more of a name to build on (never heard Fritz mentioned for aggy or for Texas Tech in the past or any other major opening this year or last), Traylor does not have to jump to the first team that offers more money, and he can afford to and is wise to take his time to make the right jump for his long term career.....and I am on record saying that uH was not that right jump and Texas Tech last year was probably not that right jump

Fritz is clearly on his last coaching stop and unless he is a dunce and has a horrible agent he got over $5 million from uH for at least 5 and should be 6 years guaranteed and with that package at his age he need not be concerned with how things turn out because by the time it is done he will be retiring

I do feel that long term Traylor has a better upside because he is doing the proper thing and waiting for the right opening to make the next jump to instead of just making a jump "because"

Traylor just kind of gives me discount Herman vibes. Glad we passed on him for Fritz. Sure he’ll end up at Baylor in a year or two but I don’t see him climbing much higher than that. This is definitely Fritz last gig which I like because that means that if he’s successful here then we don’t have to worry about him getting poached by a better program. I think we can have 7-8 good years under him. Hard to ask for much more than that in todays age.

(12-03-2023 04:23 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 11:37 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 02:04 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 07:41 AM)HornFrogFan Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 04:06 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

Not saying Traylor doesn't make the move, but speculation here in San Antonio is that he's using this as leverage to get more resources for the football program. I'd put the chances of him going to Houston at 50/50. The biggest thing that makes me think he won't take the job is he turned down Tech a couple of years ago. But UTSA students also recently voted down a fee increase for sports and the admin is only now trying to increase the sports budget after it looks like he may leave, so there's a chance he's tired of fighting all the time for the resources they need.

Interesting to see what happens.

he is a smart guy and knows how the game is played

I think part of the reason he turned down Tech is because they were pushing out a guy that was 5-3 at the time (and the team finished 7-6 and was close to beating Baylor after the coach was let go) and that guy was trying to thoroughly clean up the last of the kliff disaster and the idiotic "air raid" and "pirate mike" stupidity

I am not saying that Matt Wells was a great coach we clearly do not know from his time at Tech, but the Tech program was a disaster after kliff, it still had a ton of baggage with idiot "fans" that worship mike and his stupidity and it was another example of a program that lets idiot fans and idiot donors get in and pull the trigger without clear results and you get more coaching churn that sets you back

people would argue that McGuire went 8-5 the next year, but that is only a 1 game improvement....they were not competitive at all against NCState, Oklahoma was a disaster, Texas was not good, and they lost to a 6-7 Baylor.....and of course this year they are 6-6 and everyone wants the OC fired yesterday (or 3 months ago for that matter)

they also had both Texas and OU at home last year and that makes a huge difference

so really they pushed out Wells and have ended up with a guy that is just more "rah rah my team my players" and that will do better coach speak....he is recruiting better, but that has not yet translated to meaningful amounts of more wins and his comments about "the Big 12 running through Lubbock" sank like a lead balloon

Traylor is not looking to move up for the sake of job jumping and moving up a little bit he will ride out things where he has a long leash until the right job comes open and he thinks that he can get time there to build or he can have immediate success and then make huge money at a place where it is win or out in 2.5 to 3 years

he is not the only coach recently that has turned down the chance to get 3 years to turn a dumpster fire with a fractured fan base, coaching churn, unrealistic expectations in too short of a time frame, and demands to do things the way some past guy did them or to appease certain people no matter what.....Tennessee, Texas, aggy, Miami, and a lot of other places that are considered "big time" have had those issues and issues attracting the "can't miss" guy (unless you guarantee then $100 million no matter what).....it is not unexpected that a place that thinks taking $48 million a year from the students to run athletics puts them on the same level would have issues finding a guy

uH has all those issues and more.....Traylor might go there, but it would be a dumb move on his part and it will probably kill his career

and UTSA has some tightness with funds, but they have plenty to compete with in the AAC and he can wait out another year or two to find the right place to move to

So how does it feel to be completely wrong? I guess you think Fritz is an idiot now?


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how was I 100% wrong when Traylor did not end up at uH

and I think this is not a great move for Fritz. but it will be a great paycheck for him to go into retirement with provided it was over $5 million per season and guaranteed for 6 seasons

and it took him 6 years to build up Tulane and he did not exactly do anything that would compare to the expectations of uH fans at anywhere else besides Sam Houston in D1-AA

is unless uH is looking at a 5 or 6 year rebuild or they are content with some 7 and 8 win seasons with an occasional 9 win season mixed in we do not know how this hire will work out for uH

that does not change the fact that Traylor did not end up there and he will eventually land somewhere much better

It will not take 5-6 years to rebuild UH. We finished 4-8 this year and that includes a major upset at Arroz (Rice) and taking a College Football Playoff team (Whorn) down to the wire. There is talent on this team and stockpiles of talent in the Houston high school scene. And now we have a Big 12 banner to wave at recruits, who will be recruited by a man who turned Tulane of all places into a football powerhouse.

Great hire IMO. Guy has built and won everywhere he has been. With better resources and better recruiting area I think he'll do great.

Fritz? ****. He just wins. Houston has juggernaut potential. Look out. Nice pickup, Coogs.

I read that Fritz turned down Georgia Tech last year or the year before and that Duke was interested in him. But with Houston being a hotbed for recruits, as well as the state of Texas, he obviously liked the UH opportunity better.

He wasn't my first choice, but with all of the information coming to light this last week, I'm very happy with him at the helm. I'm just so, so, so thrilled that Dana is no longer around.

For those harping on his age, this guy doesn't look like he lacks the energy to coach! I remember the late great Jack Pardee, who sometimes had this really "tired" look on the sidelines, and he turned UH into an offensive juggernaut (with OC John Jenkins).

The age angle against him is just silly.

UH welcomes Coach Willie Fritz

(12-05-2023 09:44 AM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  For those harping on his age, this guy doesn't look like he lacks the energy to coach! I remember the late great Jack Pardee, who sometimes had this really "tired" look on the sidelines, and he turned UH into an offensive juggernaut (with OC John Jenkins).

The age angle against him is just silly.

UH welcomes Coach Willie Fritz

I think the bigger issue is going to be "How long does it take Fritz to install his system" at Houston? And I'm not trying to nit-pick...I think he's a really good coach.

One of the reasons I thought Fritz would stay at Tulane and likely retire out of there was that he had finally gotten his system installed and rolling. I think if he had stayed at Tulane, he had that ball rolling to the extent that it would sustain itself for the next five-to-seven years easily, at which point Fritz would be approaching 70.

You say "It will not take 5-6 years to rebuild Houston..." OK, but we're not talking a "rebuild" as much as a "retool." Dana Holgerson...and the Coaches before him...were not recruiting to a "Willie Fritz" type system. Especially on Offense, it's going to take a few years to recruit, teach, and sustain Fritz's offense. It took him five years to do it at Tulane, figure it'll likely take 3 or so to get it rolling at Houston. That places him around 65-66. And yeah, it's a "youthful" 65-66, but still...

Again, good hire. I'm just surprise that he didn't let the train roll down the tracks at Tulane...especially if they were willing to pay him to do it.

(12-05-2023 11:41 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 09:44 AM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  For those harping on his age, this guy doesn't look like he lacks the energy to coach! I remember the late great Jack Pardee, who sometimes had this really "tired" look on the sidelines, and he turned UH into an offensive juggernaut (with OC John Jenkins).

The age angle against him is just silly.

UH welcomes Coach Willie Fritz

I think the bigger issue is going to be "How long does it take Fritz to install his system" at Houston? And I'm not trying to nit-pick...I think he's a really good coach.

One of the reasons I thought Fritz would stay at Tulane and likely retire out of there was that he had finally gotten his system installed and rolling. I think if he had stayed at Tulane, he had that ball rolling to the extent that it would sustain itself for the next five-to-seven years easily, at which point Fritz would be approaching 70.

You say "It will not take 5-6 years to rebuild Houston..." OK, but we're not talking a "rebuild" as much as a "retool." Dana Holgerson...and the Coaches before him...were not recruiting to a "Willie Fritz" type system. Especially on Offense, it's going to take a few years to recruit, teach, and sustain Fritz's offense. It took him five years to do it at Tulane, figure it'll likely take 3 or so to get it rolling at Houston. That places him around 65-66. And yeah, it's a "youthful" 65-66, but still...

Again, good hire. I'm just surprise that he didn't let the train roll down the tracks at Tulane...especially if they were willing to pay him to do it.

I'd never seen him in person or even on TV, but he doesn't sound like someone of his age. The guy has an energy that you cannot miss. Some folks are joking he's still got way more energy than Holgersen had. LOL

I don't think age will be an issue other than UH will be where he retires from coaching.

(12-05-2023 02:08 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 11:41 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 09:44 AM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  For those harping on his age, this guy doesn't look like he lacks the energy to coach! I remember the late great Jack Pardee, who sometimes had this really "tired" look on the sidelines, and he turned UH into an offensive juggernaut (with OC John Jenkins).

The age angle against him is just silly.

UH welcomes Coach Willie Fritz

I think the bigger issue is going to be "How long does it take Fritz to install his system" at Houston? And I'm not trying to nit-pick...I think he's a really good coach.

One of the reasons I thought Fritz would stay at Tulane and likely retire out of there was that he had finally gotten his system installed and rolling. I think if he had stayed at Tulane, he had that ball rolling to the extent that it would sustain itself for the next five-to-seven years easily, at which point Fritz would be approaching 70.

You say "It will not take 5-6 years to rebuild Houston..." OK, but we're not talking a "rebuild" as much as a "retool." Dana Holgerson...and the Coaches before him...were not recruiting to a "Willie Fritz" type system. Especially on Offense, it's going to take a few years to recruit, teach, and sustain Fritz's offense. It took him five years to do it at Tulane, figure it'll likely take 3 or so to get it rolling at Houston. That places him around 65-66. And yeah, it's a "youthful" 65-66, but still...

Again, good hire. I'm just surprise that he didn't let the train roll down the tracks at Tulane...especially if they were willing to pay him to do it.

I'd never seen him in person or even on TV, but he doesn't sound like someone of his age. The guy has an energy that you cannot miss. Some folks are joking he's still got way more energy than Holgersen had. LOL

I don't think age will be an issue other than UH will be where he retires from coaching.

I think it will take less time at UH because UH has a much better and more recent history of success.

Age should not matter hell in DC look at Joe Biden's vigor and success with Bidencomics.

(12-05-2023 02:39 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Age should not matter hell in DC look at Joe Biden's vigor and success with Bidencomics.

Brilliant use of irony for comedic effect!!

Bravo !!

(12-03-2023 08:52 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:28 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 04:23 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 11:37 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 02:04 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  he is a smart guy and knows how the game is played

I think part of the reason he turned down Tech is because they were pushing out a guy that was 5-3 at the time (and the team finished 7-6 and was close to beating Baylor after the coach was let go) and that guy was trying to thoroughly clean up the last of the kliff disaster and the idiotic "air raid" and "pirate mike" stupidity

I am not saying that Matt Wells was a great coach we clearly do not know from his time at Tech, but the Tech program was a disaster after kliff, it still had a ton of baggage with idiot "fans" that worship mike and his stupidity and it was another example of a program that lets idiot fans and idiot donors get in and pull the trigger without clear results and you get more coaching churn that sets you back

people would argue that McGuire went 8-5 the next year, but that is only a 1 game improvement....they were not competitive at all against NCState, Oklahoma was a disaster, Texas was not good, and they lost to a 6-7 Baylor.....and of course this year they are 6-6 and everyone wants the OC fired yesterday (or 3 months ago for that matter)

they also had both Texas and OU at home last year and that makes a huge difference

so really they pushed out Wells and have ended up with a guy that is just more "rah rah my team my players" and that will do better coach speak....he is recruiting better, but that has not yet translated to meaningful amounts of more wins and his comments about "the Big 12 running through Lubbock" sank like a lead balloon

Traylor is not looking to move up for the sake of job jumping and moving up a little bit he will ride out things where he has a long leash until the right job comes open and he thinks that he can get time there to build or he can have immediate success and then make huge money at a place where it is win or out in 2.5 to 3 years

he is not the only coach recently that has turned down the chance to get 3 years to turn a dumpster fire with a fractured fan base, coaching churn, unrealistic expectations in too short of a time frame, and demands to do things the way some past guy did them or to appease certain people no matter what.....Tennessee, Texas, aggy, Miami, and a lot of other places that are considered "big time" have had those issues and issues attracting the "can't miss" guy (unless you guarantee then $100 million no matter what).....it is not unexpected that a place that thinks taking $48 million a year from the students to run athletics puts them on the same level would have issues finding a guy

uH has all those issues and more.....Traylor might go there, but it would be a dumb move on his part and it will probably kill his career

and UTSA has some tightness with funds, but they have plenty to compete with in the AAC and he can wait out another year or two to find the right place to move to

So how does it feel to be completely wrong? I guess you think Fritz is an idiot now?


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how was I 100% wrong when Traylor did not end up at uH

and I think this is not a great move for Fritz. but it will be a great paycheck for him to go into retirement with provided it was over $5 million per season and guaranteed for 6 seasons

and it took him 6 years to build up Tulane and he did not exactly do anything that would compare to the expectations of uH fans at anywhere else besides Sam Houston in D1-AA

is unless uH is looking at a 5 or 6 year rebuild or they are content with some 7 and 8 win seasons with an occasional 9 win season mixed in we do not know how this hire will work out for uH

that does not change the fact that Traylor did not end up there and he will eventually land somewhere much better

So you’re on record saying Traylor is a better coach than Fritz?

I am on record as saying that I said before that Traylor is younger by a significant amount, he has much more of a name to build on (never heard Fritz mentioned for aggy or for Texas Tech in the past or any other major opening this year or last), Traylor does not have to jump to the first team that offers more money, and he can afford to and is wise to take his time to make the right jump for his long term career.....and I am on record saying that uH was not that right jump and Texas Tech last year was probably not that right jump

Fritz is clearly on his last coaching stop and unless he is a dunce and has a horrible agent he got over $5 million from uH for at least 5 and should be 6 years guaranteed and with that package at his age he need not be concerned with how things turn out because by the time it is done he will be retiring

I do feel that long term Traylor has a better upside because he is doing the proper thing and waiting for the right opening to make the next jump to instead of just making a jump "because"

He signed a 5 year $4.5 million a year with UH. And it’s been confirmed to me by people I trust that Traylor was never our primary target, it was always Fritz. Traylor was our backup if we couldn’t get Fritz. Also unlike Traylor’s $7 million buyout, Fritz’s was only $100,000.


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Fritz was the guy I wanted at UCF before Malzahn came around. I'm happy for us, and yet jealous for UH. Great hire, I love the running schemes him and Gus incorporate into their offense, while maintaining a priority on defense.

(12-06-2023 05:03 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:52 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:28 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 04:23 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 11:37 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  So how does it feel to be completely wrong? I guess you think Fritz is an idiot now?


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how was I 100% wrong when Traylor did not end up at uH

and I think this is not a great move for Fritz. but it will be a great paycheck for him to go into retirement with provided it was over $5 million per season and guaranteed for 6 seasons

and it took him 6 years to build up Tulane and he did not exactly do anything that would compare to the expectations of uH fans at anywhere else besides Sam Houston in D1-AA

is unless uH is looking at a 5 or 6 year rebuild or they are content with some 7 and 8 win seasons with an occasional 9 win season mixed in we do not know how this hire will work out for uH

that does not change the fact that Traylor did not end up there and he will eventually land somewhere much better

So you’re on record saying Traylor is a better coach than Fritz?

I am on record as saying that I said before that Traylor is younger by a significant amount, he has much more of a name to build on (never heard Fritz mentioned for aggy or for Texas Tech in the past or any other major opening this year or last), Traylor does not have to jump to the first team that offers more money, and he can afford to and is wise to take his time to make the right jump for his long term career.....and I am on record saying that uH was not that right jump and Texas Tech last year was probably not that right jump

Fritz is clearly on his last coaching stop and unless he is a dunce and has a horrible agent he got over $5 million from uH for at least 5 and should be 6 years guaranteed and with that package at his age he need not be concerned with how things turn out because by the time it is done he will be retiring

I do feel that long term Traylor has a better upside because he is doing the proper thing and waiting for the right opening to make the next jump to instead of just making a jump "because"

He signed a 5 year $4.5 million a year with UH. And it’s been confirmed to me by people I trust that Traylor was never our primary target, it was always Fritz. Traylor was our backup if we couldn’t get Fritz. Also unlike Traylor’s $7 million buyout, Fritz’s was only $100,000.


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If Baylor makes a HC change next most likely Traylor will be their choice. With his ties to Texas HS coaches, he should do well at Baylor. cut from the same mold as Art Briles but a better class of coach.

Fritz is a great hire. When was the last time Tulane was any good? Relevant on the national stage? Enough said. Speaking of age, does anyone remember this coach? I believe he retired [the second time] at 79 years young.

(12-06-2023 08:08 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Fritz is a great hire. When was the last time Tulane was any good? Relevant on the national stage? Enough said. Speaking of age, does anyone remember this coach? I believe he retired [the second time] at 79 years young.

A two year blip in the 90's under Tommy Bowden (Dabo Swinney's predecessor). But yah they've basically averaged 3 wins a season from the time he left until Fritz arrived.